How about with the IDF?paranoid101 wrote:
Invade Iran with what?
Poll
Invade Iran
| yes | 32% | 32% - 51 | ||||
| no | 38% | 38% - 62 | ||||
| wait until Iran does something worse | 28% | 28% - 46 | ||||
| Total: 159 | ||||||
Here is something to discuss. Is this a sign of things to come, a prelude if you will? Or ........................
Last edited by deeznutz1245 (2007-01-28 07:25:57)
Malloy must go
I'm waiting to see this "mountain of evidence" regarding their involvement in Iraq next week.deeznutz1245 wrote:
Here is something to discuss. Is this a sign of things to come, a prelude if you will? Or ........................
Best fighter pilots on the planet .Bernadictus wrote:
How about with the IDF?paranoid101 wrote:
Invade Iran with what?
Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-28 07:31:46)
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Me too, it might be interesting..........or not.
Malloy must go
the Soviet Union is destroyed.. no longer exist.. has been wiped from the map. But nobody died.. its the same thing here.James-M-II wrote:
yes iran is very civilised, calling for the destruction of a country.... israel? im not intrested in anyones thoughts on them, the zionists or whatever you call them... calling for their desctruction isnt civilised mate[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
thats the biggest problem in the USA.. people beleive all they see on their TV.. Iran is a civilized country.. and nobody is walking around in the street shouting alalala while firing in the air with their AK. yes they do that in palestine and now in Iraq but only because America/Israel have destroyed their country and their lives.James-M-II wrote:
yeah right good one. people say... dont sterotype, but how can i not? when anytime i see them... theyre always in the streets burning american flags.... shouting alalalalala and shooting ak-47's. thats the imagine i get... what else am i suppost to think. leave usmarine2007 alone, i think hes right. its all you left wing pinkos
that say, no dont make war... but as soon as something bad happens its... wheres the army? i hate you tree hugging middle eastern sympathisers. if you like it to much go live there jeez. next thing you know youll be strapped with c4 weilding an ak-47 shouting die infidels
I would do the same thing if a foreign power came in my country to tell me who my leaders should be and how to live my life. alalalalala
The president Ahmadinejad called for the removal of the zionist entity.. he want Israel as a country to no longer exist.. like the soviet Union.. nobody will die.. the Russian still live on the land of the former soviet union.. like Israelis will still live on the land of what was called Israel. They will just not have the power to opress their neigbhors(sp?) anymore.
Iran will never nuke Israel omg.. please don't beleive what you see on your TV..
Here are various views from various sources.TheCanadianTerrorist wrote:
@ usmarine2007:
Wow, for your age you seem incredibly childish. Having a Persian ancestry and having VISITED IRAN TWICE, I can tell you that the people there are not Allah Akbaring Psychopaths, who wish "death to America." I have family in Iran and lots of them are actually JEALOUS of America/Canada because of it's freedoms compared to the Islamic countries.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international … 58,00.html
"Men, women and children carried placards that read, "We still follow the ideals of the Islamic revolution," "Death to America" and "America cannot do a damn thing."
http://news.netscape.com/story/2006/11/ … st-in-iran
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9801/16/iran.us/index.html#2
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05037/453096.stm
"Feb. 6 is reserved for 'Death to America Day,' " said Foroutan, who had previously set aside today to watch the Super Bowl. This is somewhat in dispute. Other calendars have set Nov. 4 as Death to America Day. Still other calendars place it in early February, though not necessarily on the Sabbath."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_e … n_3-6.html
But your training should let you be SUPERIOR to those CIVILIANS AT ARMS... i mean... you are MARINES... not simple soldiers. You should be so fast and swiftly they should never see you or understand what happened.deeznutz1245 wrote:
And we also have hippy liberal freaks who wont let the Generals unleash the madness. You are ignorant and not educated enough about the Marine Corps to make those statements. We were trying to protect civilian life at the same time as engaging an enemy, oh and they look the same. You put 2500 of Irans best against 1000 of our 0311 Marines and in a very short time you will have 2500 letters to be written to Iranian wives. Make no mistake there, America hater, on the hottest day the USMC will be your coolest customer. You are a fool if you keep using Fallujah as an example like you did in the other thread, we have handed just about every countries army their ass since 1775 and we are showing no signs of slowing down with Iran.Kukulcan wrote:
This isn't a war against a ''standard'' enemy.... they are just men at arms , not even soldiers. The USMC has tanks , helos , jets , ships and so on....Kmarion wrote:
If you think just over 3k is heavy losses in a 4 year war you haven't studied history.
You should have destroyed the enemy in about 2 month if you ask me....
Marines vs Civilians sounds a bit unfair , in that : you should be superior as infantry i think.
Here we come back to the video posted some time ago , which says that nowadays Marines are simple soldiers because the training has been softened respect to one time
USMC Marines during the WWII managed to defeat a real enemy , with jets ships and modern ( for the time ) weapons..... those were REAL marines , for my thinking.
The IDF are the ones who are gonna attack Iran, not the USA. . .
The Israeli's are gonna pull what they did against Iraq in the early 80's, and thats independently attack Iran's atomic sites without any permission slip from the USA/EU/UN. . .they flat out dont give a shit! lol
We (USA) have enough shit going on in Afghanistan and Iraq, we won't invade. . .Not too say Iran shouldn't be watched and or have a few JDAM's dropped on them from time to time, but an invasion is unlikely.
The Israeli's are gonna pull what they did against Iraq in the early 80's, and thats independently attack Iran's atomic sites without any permission slip from the USA/EU/UN. . .they flat out dont give a shit! lol
We (USA) have enough shit going on in Afghanistan and Iraq, we won't invade. . .Not too say Iran shouldn't be watched and or have a few JDAM's dropped on them from time to time, but an invasion is unlikely.
That is your thinking, your opinion, but you have never been in theatre and have no concept of combat or what it entails. Therefore very few people value your opinion.Kukulcan wrote:
But your training should let you be SUPERIOR to those CIVILIANS AT ARMS... i mean... you are MARINES... not simple soldiers. You should be so fast and swiftly they should never see you or understand what happened.deeznutz1245 wrote:
And we also have hippy liberal freaks who wont let the Generals unleash the madness. You are ignorant and not educated enough about the Marine Corps to make those statements. We were trying to protect civilian life at the same time as engaging an enemy, oh and they look the same. You put 2500 of Irans best against 1000 of our 0311 Marines and in a very short time you will have 2500 letters to be written to Iranian wives. Make no mistake there, America hater, on the hottest day the USMC will be your coolest customer. You are a fool if you keep using Fallujah as an example like you did in the other thread, we have handed just about every countries army their ass since 1775 and we are showing no signs of slowing down with Iran.Kukulcan wrote:
This isn't a war against a ''standard'' enemy.... they are just men at arms , not even soldiers. The USMC has tanks , helos , jets , ships and so on....
You should have destroyed the enemy in about 2 month if you ask me....
Marines vs Civilians sounds a bit unfair , in that : you should be superior as infantry i think.
Here we come back to the video posted some time ago , which says that nowadays Marines are simple soldiers because the training has been softened respect to one time
USMC Marines during the WWII managed to defeat a real enemy , with jets ships and modern ( for the time ) weapons..... those were REAL marines , for my thinking.
Malloy must go
While he is wrong, your logic doesn't make any sense. "You haven't been shot at therefore your opinion doesn't matter to most people." So, you fail at being rational deeznuts.deeznutz1245 wrote:
That is your thinking, your opinion, but you have never been in theatre and have no concept of combat or what it entails. Therefore very few people value your opinion.Kukulcan wrote:
But your training should let you be SUPERIOR to those CIVILIANS AT ARMS... i mean... you are MARINES... not simple soldiers. You should be so fast and swiftly they should never see you or understand what happened.deeznutz1245 wrote:
And we also have hippy liberal freaks who wont let the Generals unleash the madness. You are ignorant and not educated enough about the Marine Corps to make those statements. We were trying to protect civilian life at the same time as engaging an enemy, oh and they look the same. You put 2500 of Irans best against 1000 of our 0311 Marines and in a very short time you will have 2500 letters to be written to Iranian wives. Make no mistake there, America hater, on the hottest day the USMC will be your coolest customer. You are a fool if you keep using Fallujah as an example like you did in the other thread, we have handed just about every countries army their ass since 1775 and we are showing no signs of slowing down with Iran.
Marines vs Civilians sounds a bit unfair , in that : you should be superior as infantry i think.
Here we come back to the video posted some time ago , which says that nowadays Marines are simple soldiers because the training has been softened respect to one time
USMC Marines during the WWII managed to defeat a real enemy , with jets ships and modern ( for the time ) weapons..... those were REAL marines , for my thinking.
all you can really do is wait, the US and UK are spread to thin to go at it by themselves. It would take the UN and those main supporting nations in the UN taking action to get anything productive done in Iran.
nuuuuuuuke
That is not at all what I am saying. He knows absolutely nothing about anything pertaining to what is going on in Fallujah other than what he is seeing on TV and in this forum. This is actually an argument stemming from another thread in which he admitted he had no clue, but was debating with 3 Marines who had fought over in Iraq. My statement was not meant to be taken as " if you never have fought then you are clueless", it was directed specifically at him to mean " You are simply clueless", do not argue the efectiveness of US Marines WITH US Marines. BTW, so you succeed at coming at the end of the argument and sucking.jonsimon wrote:
While he is wrong, your logic doesn't make any sense. "You haven't been shot at therefore your opinion doesn't matter to most people." So, you fail at being rational deeznuts.
Last edited by deeznutz1245 (2007-01-28 10:22:00)
Malloy must go
Where you in Fallujah when it happened if not i don't know why you bother using that argument as a means to rebut his view.deeznutz1245 wrote:
That is not at all what I am saying. He knows absolutely nothing about anything pertaining to what is going on in Fallujah other than what he is seeing on TV and in this forum. This is actually an argument stemming from another thread in which he admitted he had no clue, but was debating with 3 Marines who had fought over in Iraq. My statement was not meant to be taken as " if you never have fought then you are clueless", it was directed specifically at him to mean " You are simply clueless", do not argue the efectiveness of US Marines WITH US Marines. BTW, so you succeed at coming at the end of the argument and sucking.jonsimon wrote:
While he is wrong, your logic doesn't make any sense. "You haven't been shot at therefore your opinion doesn't matter to most people." So, you fail at being rational deeznuts.
Maybe not so much anymore, not with all the experience our pilots have been getting...and don't forget who trained them.Kmarion wrote:
I'm waiting to see this "mountain of evidence" regarding their involvement in Iraq next week.deeznutz1245 wrote:
Here is something to discuss. Is this a sign of things to come, a prelude if you will? Or ........................Best fighter pilots on the planet .Bernadictus wrote:
How about with the IDF?paranoid101 wrote:
Invade Iran with what?
Also, they are still flying F-16's, hardly the best thing in the sky.
Irrelevant. I am not criticizing the Marines. I was not in that particular theatre, however, I am not so matter-of-factly stating what happened to the Marines after admitting I have no clue other than what I read on forums. I do have experience as a Marine, as a Non Commissioned Officer, years of infantry and interrogation experience, combat time, intimate with the rules of engagement, guerrilla warfare as well as conventional and urban. Also, I can explain the difference between engaging a linear and non linear target. The fellow who said Marines get their asses kicked by civilians in Fallujah most likely lives through Google and couldnt identify the Duey Decimal System, let alone tell me or my other fellow forum jarheads how we have "Failed" to do our jobs.Fen321 wrote:
Where you in Fallujah when it happened if not i don't know why you bother using that argument as a means to rebut his view.deeznutz1245 wrote:
That is not at all what I am saying. He knows absolutely nothing about anything pertaining to what is going on in Fallujah other than what he is seeing on TV and in this forum. This is actually an argument stemming from another thread in which he admitted he had no clue, but was debating with 3 Marines who had fought over in Iraq. My statement was not meant to be taken as " if you never have fought then you are clueless", it was directed specifically at him to mean " You are simply clueless", do not argue the efectiveness of US Marines WITH US Marines. BTW, so you succeed at coming at the end of the argument and sucking.jonsimon wrote:
While he is wrong, your logic doesn't make any sense. "You haven't been shot at therefore your opinion doesn't matter to most people." So, you fail at being rational deeznuts.
Malloy must go
Well i am a soldieri in the EI ... ( Esercito Italiano ). I learned my english there , because i serve in a military base owned by the U.S.A.F , in Cervia.deeznutz1245 wrote:
That is not at all what I am saying. He knows absolutely nothing about anything pertaining to what is going on in Fallujah other than what he is seeing on TV and in this forum. This is actually an argument stemming from another thread in which he admitted he had no clue, but was debating with 3 Marines who had fought over in Iraq. My statement was not meant to be taken as " if you never have fought then you are clueless", it was directed specifically at him to mean " You are simply clueless", do not argue the efectiveness of US Marines WITH US Marines. BTW, so you succeed at coming at the end of the argument and sucking.jonsimon wrote:
While he is wrong, your logic doesn't make any sense. "You haven't been shot at therefore your opinion doesn't matter to most people." So, you fail at being rational deeznuts.
Certainly i speak for what i see on tv and what i read on newspapers or on the internet... i mean : only who has fought in iraq CAN talk about iraq? How many have fought there ? Not as many as the people who talks about that , sure.
Only Marines can judge other Marines?? In this case there wouldn't be argue about the iraq... i mean : all would be in accord , in that way.
I'm an Italian soldier .... your newspapers have recently spoken about us in a negative way , a VERY negative way indeed.... i mean : there are no italian soldiers there , no? But you keep speaking of us , and what we do in iraq and afghanistan.
A friend of mine remained seriously wounded in the ambush in Nassirya on our base , some years ago , and now i read american newspapers where our effort in YOUR war is underestimated and negatively criticized. I am really upset for that..... so i think i CAN talk about you US Marines , as you americans speak about our army in iraq.
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Do your homework. Our newspapers said something bad about you so you take it out on the people who dont write newspapers. Awesome. Let me include you in on a little secret. The press is liberal. The Marines dislike the press. The press knows this. I dont know how the media works over there in Italy but it must be completely different. If I got angry and sought out retaliation against every nations newspaper that said negative things about the United States, I would be angry alot. And I am not saying you cant judge Marines, I am saying you know nothing about them and I maintain that until you Go to Parris Island (or MCRD SD).Kukulcan wrote:
Well i am a soldieri in the EI ... ( Esercito Italiano ). I learned my english there , because i serve in a military base owned by the U.S.A.F , in Cervia.deeznutz1245 wrote:
That is not at all what I am saying. He knows absolutely nothing about anything pertaining to what is going on in Fallujah other than what he is seeing on TV and in this forum. This is actually an argument stemming from another thread in which he admitted he had no clue, but was debating with 3 Marines who had fought over in Iraq. My statement was not meant to be taken as " if you never have fought then you are clueless", it was directed specifically at him to mean " You are simply clueless", do not argue the efectiveness of US Marines WITH US Marines. BTW, so you succeed at coming at the end of the argument and sucking.jonsimon wrote:
While he is wrong, your logic doesn't make any sense. "You haven't been shot at therefore your opinion doesn't matter to most people." So, you fail at being rational deeznuts.
Certainly i speak for what i see on tv and what i read on newspapers or on the internet... i mean : only who has fought in iraq CAN talk about iraq? How many have fought there ? Not as many as the people who talks about that , sure.
Only Marines can judge other Marines?? In this case there wouldn't be argue about the iraq... i mean : all would be in accord , in that way.
I'm an Italian soldier .... your newspapers have recently spoken about us in a negative way , a VERY negative way indeed.... i mean : there are no italian soldiers there , no? But you keep speaking of us , and what we do in iraq and afghanistan.
A friend of mine remained seriously wounded in the ambush in Nassirya on our base , some years ago , and now i read american newspapers where our effort in YOUR war is underestimated and negatively criticized. I am really upset for that..... so i think i CAN talk about you US Marines , as you americans speak about our army in iraq.
Malloy must go
Invading Iran would be stupid as hell. That being said, we'll probably do it.
when and why did italy leave iraq, if they left at all. how many italians are in iraq now?
Yeah, we're pretty stupid.Turquoise wrote:
Invading Iran would be stupid as hell. That being said, we'll probably do it.
A note. May have been mentioned before but now I'll mention it again.
MANY - make that MOST Iranians DON'T like Ahmesomethingorother. They DON'T think Israel should be wiped off the map (many have no problem with Israel). They want a more moderate policy.
BUT
They see the nuclear program - and they view it as entirely peaceful - as a source of national pride. They will continue to do so until the world (the ENTIRE world, not just the US or EU) gives them a decent alternative - economic incentives, proposals to make sure that their nuclear program remains peaceful, etc. So far there hasn't been one (a proposal involving fast-water reactors was made but that didn't go far because no one thought of the logistics and costs - or couldn't be bothered thinking about it.)
MANY - make that MOST Iranians DON'T like Ahmesomethingorother. They DON'T think Israel should be wiped off the map (many have no problem with Israel). They want a more moderate policy.
BUT
They see the nuclear program - and they view it as entirely peaceful - as a source of national pride. They will continue to do so until the world (the ENTIRE world, not just the US or EU) gives them a decent alternative - economic incentives, proposals to make sure that their nuclear program remains peaceful, etc. So far there hasn't been one (a proposal involving fast-water reactors was made but that didn't go far because no one thought of the logistics and costs - or couldn't be bothered thinking about it.)
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Definitely invade. Not enough Americans have died due to combat related injuries yet.
On the ''nuclear question'' i think that there isn't ANY difference in giving the tecnology to iran or USA.... i mean : both can use the nuclear peacefully or for war questions....Spark wrote:
A note. May have been mentioned before but now I'll mention it again.
MANY - make that MOST Iranians DON'T like Ahmesomethingorother. They DON'T think Israel should be wiped off the map (many have no problem with Israel). They want a more moderate policy.
BUT
They see the nuclear program - and they view it as entirely peaceful - as a source of national pride. They will continue to do so until the world (the ENTIRE world, not just the US or EU) gives them a decent alternative - economic incentives, proposals to make sure that their nuclear program remains peaceful, etc. So far there hasn't been one (a proposal involving fast-water reactors was made but that didn't go far because no one thought of the logistics and costs - or couldn't be bothered thinking about it.)
The iran won't attack openly Israel , it would be a suicide at international level , and they know it. By now they want and need the support of other superpowers , like China .
The question is a bit complex : when the war started , there was a right wing governament in italy ( CDL ) , now , by some months , there is a left wing governament ( L'Unione ). We are deciding RIGHT NOW the destiny of the missions in Iraq , many also in the new governament think that we should continue the war effort , to maintain prestige at international level and give reliability to our governament.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
when and why did italy leave iraq, if they left at all. how many italians are in iraq now?
Other ( mainly the left wing extresmists , which are in the gov. coalition indeed.. ) think that we should cut off the money to those missions and retire completely.
Other think that we should continue to maintain a military presence but also that we should reduce the number of soldiers and change the mission ( Antica Babilonia is the name ) objectives : the new ones would be no more ''peacekeeping'' but civil objectives , like carrying medicinal and food to the population.
Right now ,we have reduced the number of soldiers out there compared to one time , but still our objective there is ''peacekeeping'' , which includes combat against enemy forces if necessary.
Italy still has a strong military presence in iraq , we haven't left , we are still there with US and UK.