BF2S Forums Minutemen Terrorists?

Article wrote:

An Arizona state lawmaker wants to define border vigilantes as domestic terrorists and have them charged with criminal felony counts if they are caught patrolling the Mexican border with weapons.

If the law is going to be that simple, then that would mean that the US Border Patrol, and Reserves are also terrorist.  That would also make the US government a terrorist org.  and it is dumb.

They do not have rights in the US, we should not defend them.

I am amazed yet not so amazed at how she got elected.

So let me get this straight...average joe is trying to help fix a problem that the government knows exists but does nothing about, and as a result gets labeled a terrorist?  WTF is this nation coming to.

The Minutemen aren't killing anyone.  They simply detain anyone they catch for the Border Patrol.

The minutemen seem to be the only ones who give a shit about protecting our sovereignty from Mexico. . .

They are out their everyday trying to enfore our laws. . .why is it that they cant get support from our government?. . .why is it that civilians are doing what the government is supposed to do?. . .which is enforce our border laws/policy, which means ILLEGAL immigration is fucking illegal and those who violate our laws be prosecuted!

Why is the rule of law so hard to follow in regards to this issue. . .

Steve, there are two simple answers to your questions.

One of them was brought to my attention by ATG -- the government profits from a lot of illegal labor without having to pay out for it (in terms of Social Security fraud by illegals).

The other reason is because we get cheaper services from illegal labor.  Our cost of living is generally lower due to illegal labor.

Fen321 wrote:

dubbs wrote:

Article wrote:

An Arizona state lawmaker wants to define border vigilantes as domestic terrorists and have them charged with criminal felony counts if they are caught patrolling the Mexican border with weapons.

If the law is going to be that simple, then that would mean that the US Border Patrol, and Reserves are also terrorist.  That would also make the US government a terrorist org.  and it is dumb.

They do not have rights in the US, we should not defend them.

Actually that's not true, THEY do have rights in the United States, even if you for some odd reason wish they did not.

INTERNATIONAL LAW protects immigrants regardless of nationality, you cannot treat a foreign national like shit simply because they are foreign. You must treat them to the same level you treat your individuals if not HIGHER(for example a Diplomat for higher)!

Here's a valid question: what nation has the balls to enforce international law against the U.S.?  I ask this in all seriousness.  We have the most powerful military and much of the world depends on our trade, so really, what country is really able to punish us if we ignore international law?

I'm not saying might makes right, but it seems like it sure makes it easier to ignore said laws.

Turquoise wrote:

Fen321 wrote:

dubbs wrote:

If the law is going to be that simple, then that would mean that the US Border Patrol, and Reserves are also terrorist.  That would also make the US government a terrorist org.  and it is dumb.

They do not have rights in the US, we should not defend them.

Actually that's not true, THEY do have rights in the United States, even if you for some odd reason wish they did not.

INTERNATIONAL LAW protects immigrants regardless of nationality, you cannot treat a foreign national like shit simply because they are foreign. You must treat them to the same level you treat your individuals if not HIGHER(for example a Diplomat for higher)!

Here's a valid question: what nation has the balls to enforce international law against the U.S.?  I ask this in all seriousness.  We have the most powerful military and much of the world depends on our trade, so really, what country is really able to punish us if we ignore international law?

I'm not saying might makes right, but it seems like it sure makes it easier to ignore said laws.

And ignoring said laws simply because no one could do anything about it is exactly the reason we get such a bad rap. Just cause your the biggest kid on the block doesn't mean you don't have to play fair.

Turquoise wrote:

Steve, there are two simple answers to your questions.

One of them was brought to my attention by ATG -- the government profits from a lot of illegal labor without having to pay out for it (in terms of Social Security fraud by illegals).

The other reason is because we get cheaper services from illegal labor.  Our cost of living is generally lower due to illegal labor.

Tell that explanation to a Union member and see if you dont get a fist in the face. . . .

Our hospitals, justice system, schools, and economy have been NEGATIVELY affected by illegal immigration. 

I live in California, the front line of this problem, and I can tell you illegal immigration is NOT good! Its infact a major problem here, and needs to be dealt with.  Those who dont live in states affected, have absolutely no idea, the cultural, monetary, and legal ramifications this problem is dealing to our local communities.

You living in North Carolina... you have no clue

Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-01-23 23:19:50)

stryyker wrote:

Protecting the American way of life a Crime. Never thought that day would come.

Talk about FAR left lib eh?

Elamdri wrote:

I just don't feel that an illegal response to a crime is the right approach. If your so worried, then give them federal status, maybe license them to do what they are currently doing, just make sure its regulated so that the people stay within the law.

But that's just it, they aren't doing anything illegal.  What this lawmaker wants to do is make what they are doing legally illegal.

fadedsteve wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Steve, there are two simple answers to your questions.

One of them was brought to my attention by ATG -- the government profits from a lot of illegal labor without having to pay out for it (in terms of Social Security fraud by illegals).

The other reason is because we get cheaper services from illegal labor.  Our cost of living is generally lower due to illegal labor.

Tell that explanation to a Union member and see if you dont get a fist in the face. . . .

Our hospitals, justice system, schools, and economy have been NEGATIVELY affected by illegal immigration. 

I live in California, the front line of this problem, and I can tell you illegal immigration is NOT good! Its infact a major problem here, and needs to be dealt with.  Those who dont live in states affected, have absolutely no idea, the cultural, monetary, and legal ramifications this problem is dealing to our local communities.

You living in North Carolina... you have no clue

Can't find a job? Do you go to a over crowded school because parents can't afford private school? Have you been assaulted by an illegal? How exactly does this problem affect YOU?