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2007-01-12 23:36:55
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6821|The Gem Saloon

Vilham wrote:

Parker wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Anyway Ive had enough of effectively terrorist American people like parker. Im going down the pub with my friends. Bye.
are you calling me a terrorist?
what are you saying?
you sure you didnt start with the booze before you hit the pub??
for god sakes make sense.........
You agree with invading other countries without just cause. Creating Terror and fear in its populace that makes you a terrorist. Dont even try to disagree with the meaning of a terrorist: Someone who uses terror and fear to control and force others to do their will.
wow, your just off the deep end.
i have stated just cause over and over, you just dont want to accept it.
guess what? no one needs to justify ANYTHING to you..you cant even have a debate without resorting to name calling because you couldnt express your point correctly. get over yourself, no one cares. if someone in your country was a lap dog for bush, take it up with them....go deal with issues in your country, you might actually accomplish something......however i wouldnt suggest name calling. you wont be taken very seriously. (HINT!!)
2007-01-12 23:40:47
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

n November 2004, a UN panel described terrorism as any act: "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-12 23:41:02)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-01-13 00:07:53
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6988
Of course, the US defines any act of violence by a non-government group as terrorism.  The problem with terrorism is it has no agreed definition.
2007-01-13 01:13:14
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7193|UK

Kmarion wrote:

n November 2004, a UN panel described terrorism as any act: "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act.
Haha that therefore defines what the US army and other forces in Iraq as terrorism. Therefore parker SCREW YOU, you cant justify it because its a bullshit justification. Accept that you are just a gun toting hillbilly terrorist and we can leave it at that.

Parker if some none government orgainised people from Canada bombed somewhere in another country, and then in retaliation Europe invaded America... based on your views that is justified.. how fucked up you is you logic. Seriously your a goon.

Last edited by Vilham (2007-01-13 01:16:53)

2007-01-13 01:18:25
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

Vilham wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

n November 2004, a UN panel described terrorism as any act: "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act.
Haha that therefore defines what the US army and other forces in Iraq as terrorism. Therefore parker SCREW YOU, you cant justify it because its a bullshit justification. Accept that you are just a gun toting hillbilly terrorist and we can leave it at that.

Parker if some none government orgainised people from Canada bombed somewhere in another country, and then in retaliation Europe invaded America... based on your views that is justified.. how fucked up you is you logic. Seriously your a goon.
Are you saying it is the United States intent to kill civilians? Remember terrorist openly say this.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-01-13 01:21:14
Fredrik
i hate you all
+201|7076|Norway
https://www.forumspile.com/STFU-PRP-With_Us_Or_Terrorists.jpg
2007-01-13 01:27:03
d3v1ldr1v3r13
Satan's disciple on Earth.
+160|7112|Hell's prison

Bubbalo wrote:

Keep in mind that he doesn't actually have to run everything: rather, he provides general direction, as well as being more involved in important decisions.  The running of the country is done by administrators and similar, who do what he says.  That is to say, I think there are a lot of people who could do the job better, because it isn't really that hard, given that you have expert advice at your fingertips.
Of course the non American, liberal vagina boy has to speak on American issues...
2007-01-13 02:29:13
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7193|UK

Kmarion wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

n November 2004, a UN panel described terrorism as any act: "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act.
Haha that therefore defines what the US army and other forces in Iraq as terrorism. Therefore parker SCREW YOU, you cant justify it because its a bullshit justification. Accept that you are just a gun toting hillbilly terrorist and we can leave it at that.

Parker if some none government orgainised people from Canada bombed somewhere in another country, and then in retaliation Europe invaded America... based on your views that is justified.. how fucked up you is you logic. Seriously your a goon.
Are you saying it is the United States intent to kill civilians? Remember terrorist openly say this.
Again when did I say the United States. I said its army. A lot of soldiers at the moment are being court martial for having killed Iraq civilians, ie murdering them, obviously based on that definition by the UN that makes them terrorists. "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants"
2007-01-13 02:59:47
dubbs
Member
+105|7059|Lexington, KY

Vilham wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

Vilham wrote:


Um lol... the only people that immigrate to the USA are Mexicans. Good job for you...
I love the fact that you guys claim your so diverse. When infact you are far from diverse.
and whats wrong with mexicans? u realize that spanish is almost the most spoken language in CA. I probably have similar views to you, Vilham, but right here you turn into the stereotypical USA hater.

If the USA's place in world affairs is bad, then the UKs is *almost* as bad. We may be the ones currently waging retarded wars, but they stem from a European and particularly British colonial history that Americans were once victims to.

If the europeans didnt have to bring ethnocentrism into their critiques of america, their words wouldnt always fall on deaf ears. and its a shame because there is plenty to critique about the US, but nobody over here takes the critiques seriously when they get the sense that some foreigner is just trying to "hate."
Thats the thing.. I dont hate Americans at all. Where did I say there was anything wrong with Mexicans... I didnt. I have American family. But people like Parker and USmarine are part of the group that is the biggest cause of problems in the world. People that think war is good, and that they have any right to invade another country. Learn to read please...

As to parker thinking USA is diverse LOL! I guess he hasnt been to England or anyother country in Europe.
From someone who read you post, you are making a large assumption here.  The US is very diverse.  I personally know people from Mexico, Korea, Russia and Kenya, those are the nations I can think of off the top of my head. 

Also, if America was not so deverse, then why do the larger towns have areas like ChinaTown?  Why are there sections of America known for where their forefathers came from?  The Mid-North is known to have a lot of Germans that migrated there.  In the South you have African, European, and Latin American desendents.  In the West you have more Asian desendents.  But we are not deverse,  America is a great melting pot (or salad depending on how you see it).  I guess your defination of deverse is completely different the the one that I hear about.  Deverse that is what makes America great.
2007-01-13 03:02:02
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7193|UK
When 80%+ of a countries population is white American calling a country diverse is far from true.
2007-01-13 03:03:36
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6918|Menlo Park, CA
I find it utterly fascinating that all you Aussies and Euro's have this infatuation with the USA. . .

I mean your countries are no prize, and have MANY problems of their own that need addressing, yet you all/ya'll have all the answers to America's problems. . . .

You guys constantly bash our president, our laws, and our populace.  For the most part you find nothing good whatsoever with us as a nation, and for what we have done for the world.  Yet you still come here in droves to make money, vacation, and enjoy the "American" experience etc.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. . . .

Bottom line is were not perfect, our policies arent perfect, our president(s) have never been perfect (except maybe George Washington), and our populace isnt perfect. 

I guess what I am saying is. . . . dont you non-Americans have anything better to do other than find every fault imaginable to CONSTANTLY throw in our faces on a daily basis?
2007-01-13 03:09:08
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7098|UK

d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Keep in mind that he doesn't actually have to run everything: rather, he provides general direction, as well as being more involved in important decisions.  The running of the country is done by administrators and similar, who do what he says.  That is to say, I think there are a lot of people who could do the job better, because it isn't really that hard, given that you have expert advice at your fingertips.
Of course the non American, liberal vagina boy has to speak on American issues...
Why not? He has a right to express his opinion so long as he stay within the forum rules.

In fact let me as you this my good man, who on earth invited you to speak on Iraqi/UN issues?
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-01-13 03:13:26
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7098|UK

fadedsteve wrote:

I find it utterly fascinating that all you Aussies and Euro's have this infatuation with the USA. . .

I mean your countries are no prize, and have MANY problems of their own that need addressing, yet you all/ya'll have all the answers to America's problems. . . .

You guys constantly bash our president, our laws, and our populace.  For the most part you find nothing good whatsoever with us as a nation, and for what we have done for the world.  Yet you still come here in droves to make money, vacation, and enjoy the "American" experience etc.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. . . .

Bottom line is were not perfect, our policies arent perfect, our president(s) have never been perfect (except maybe George Washington), and our populace isnt perfect. 

I guess what I am saying is. . . . dont you non-Americans have anything better to do other than find every fault imaginable to CONSTANTLY throw in our faces on a daily basis?
I would say maybe as a starting point the injustice and hypocrisy just rubs people up the wrong way.  Not to mention affirmative American action has negative implications for the rest of the global population.  And anyway its funny to see you getting annoyed.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-01-13 03:33:15
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6918|Menlo Park, CA

m3thod wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

I find it utterly fascinating that all you Aussies and Euro's have this infatuation with the USA. . .

I mean your countries are no prize, and have MANY problems of their own that need addressing, yet you all/ya'll have all the answers to America's problems. . . .

You guys constantly bash our president, our laws, and our populace.  For the most part you find nothing good whatsoever with us as a nation, and for what we have done for the world.  Yet you still come here in droves to make money, vacation, and enjoy the "American" experience etc.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. . . .

Bottom line is were not perfect, our policies arent perfect, our president(s) have never been perfect (except maybe George Washington), and our populace isnt perfect. 

I guess what I am saying is. . . . dont you non-Americans have anything better to do other than find every fault imaginable to CONSTANTLY throw in our faces on a daily basis?
I would say maybe as a starting point the injustice and hypocrisy just rubs people up the wrong way.  Not to mention affirmative American action has negative implications for the rest of the global population.  And anyway its funny to see you getting annoyed.
I'm not annoyed at all. . . I think its YOU GUYS who are the hypocrites, and constantly miffed!!!

England in particular has WAY more blood on its hands than the USA will ever have. . . nuff said on that! Not too mention the various races of people who have been subjected to English colonialism/imperialism. . .

That is just one example of how you deflect your own inadaquacies onto the USA. . .

"American action/injustice" are you kidding me. . . Europe completely fucked over Africa and the middle east long before we even stepped foot in there!! Europeans have had their hands in so much fucked up shit, its amazing how you guys can think to lecture ANYONE on ANYTHING! Who do you guys think you are lecturing us? Honestly, we are doing things no differently than any of your nations have done in the past.  In all actuality with more compassion and thoughtlessness to boot!

I frankly just shake my head. . . again I say, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDNT THROW STONES. . . .And believe me, Europe is the biggest glass mansion I have ever seen. . .

Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-01-13 03:34:20)

2007-01-13 03:42:12
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7081|Teesside, UK

fadedsteve wrote:

Honestly, we are doing things no differently than any of your nations have done in the past.
There's the problem right there.  Your saying "you fucked things up this ways so many times In the past so stop lecturing us when we do it".  We're trying to avoid making the same mistakes over and over again.
2007-01-13 04:00:23
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7098|UK

fadedsteve wrote:

m3thod wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

I find it utterly fascinating that all you Aussies and Euro's have this infatuation with the USA. . .

I mean your countries are no prize, and have MANY problems of their own that need addressing, yet you all/ya'll have all the answers to America's problems. . . .

You guys constantly bash our president, our laws, and our populace.  For the most part you find nothing good whatsoever with us as a nation, and for what we have done for the world.  Yet you still come here in droves to make money, vacation, and enjoy the "American" experience etc.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. . . .

Bottom line is were not perfect, our policies arent perfect, our president(s) have never been perfect (except maybe George Washington), and our populace isnt perfect. 

I guess what I am saying is. . . . dont you non-Americans have anything better to do other than find every fault imaginable to CONSTANTLY throw in our faces on a daily basis?
I would say maybe as a starting point the injustice and hypocrisy just rubs people up the wrong way.  Not to mention affirmative American action has negative implications for the rest of the global population.  And anyway its funny to see you getting annoyed.
I'm not annoyed at all. . . I think its YOU GUYS who are the hypocrites, and constantly miffed!!!

England in particular has WAY more blood on its hands than the USA will ever have. . . nuff said on that! Not too mention the various races of people who have been subjected to English colonialism/imperialism. . .

That is just one example of how you deflect your own inadaquacies onto the USA. . .

"American action/injustice" are you kidding me. . . Europe completely fucked over Africa and the middle east long before we even stepped foot in there!! Europeans have had their hands in so much fucked up shit, its amazing how you guys can think to lecture ANYONE on ANYTHING! Who do you guys think you are lecturing us? Honestly, we are doing things no differently than any of your nations have done in the past.  In all actuality with more compassion and thoughtlessness to boot!

I frankly just shake my head. . . again I say, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDNT THROW STONES. . . .And believe me, Europe is the biggest glass mansion I have ever seen. . .
let me get this right?  Because Great Britain has a sordid colonial past means US has every right to practise the same barbaric methods?  Do you not understand we accept what the UK did 100+ years ago was wrong? we don't practise this shit anymore and let this be a lesson to anyone who tries it.  What GB did was in a different era, it is not comparable to the present day.  We live in age where nuclear weapons proliferation is getting out of control, terrorist groups are able to appear from nowhere and pledge allegiance to Ozzy B and the Boyz, the US natural boundaries are non existent, terrorism can be conducted using the Internet etc etc.  Your argument is flawed if you continue to compare two very different periods of history.

Regurtitating the past to justify present day INJUSTICE is bullshit.  The Europeans did not want to be part of the Iraq war because they have learned their relative lessons.  History is free try using it.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-01-13 04:07:31
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7102|Canberra, AUS
What happened happened. Get over it.

Stop using it as a justification to do anything unless it directly affects you.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2007-01-13 04:16:57
dubbs
Member
+105|7059|Lexington, KY

Vilham wrote:

When 80%+ of a countries population is white American calling a country diverse is far from true.
Just because their skin is white does not mean they are not diverse.  There are a lot of different cultures that is what makes us diverse.  You are only looking at the color of the skin, also known as being prejudice, but when it comes to culture we are very diverse. 

Also, when it comes to be diverse by skin color, the UK has very little room to speak with 92.1% of it's citizens that are white.  Throw that in to persective with the US, and you do not look so diverse yourself do you?
2007-01-13 06:32:19
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6918|Menlo Park, CA

crimson_grunt wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

Honestly, we are doing things no differently than any of your nations have done in the past.
There's the problem right there.  Your saying "you fucked things up this ways so many times In the past so stop lecturing us when we do it".  We're trying to avoid making the same mistakes over and over again.
No. . . when I say we are doing things like you guys did, I meant sticking our noses into global politics.  Its like you guys take offense to the fact that the USA is powerful, and seemingly does what it wants.  We can do what we want, we earned that right after WWII(so did UK by the way, and Russia), and subsequent to that, our money backs us up as well!!

Our mistake thus far in Iraq (which I am sure you are going to allude to) is our lack of security of Baghdad since we took it in 03'.  That has really been a problem, since foreign fighters and insurgents basically operate at will in the capital.  Bush has taken alot of heat for the insurgency, and his inaction to secure Baghdad has hurt him immensely. 

I am not saying we made a mistake in invading Iraq at all. . .Saddam was the last of the mass murdering dictators, and he deserved to be brought to justice.  A democratic nation needs to exist there for their to be lasting meaningful peace in the future. 

As far as colonialisation, we are not colonizing anyone. . . .Nor are we barbaric in any sense of the immagination.  Europe is scared to stick its nose in anything anymore.  They pussed out in Bosnia, they have pussed out in Iraq, they wont stand up to anyone(Iran/NK etc).  We follow history just fine btw!! We realized that diplomacy in the Middle East has its limits.  Lets put it this way, did we attack Afghanistan like the Soviets did?? No we did it our way, and beat the Taliban and al-Qaeda's ass there!! If we didnt learn from histories mistakes we would have gone in there with a huge coventional army.

All I am saying is that you guys talk tons of shit in general, not just about Iraq.  Its like the USA is damned if we do, and damned if we dont with you people.  Yet you still come here and want to be apart of our country, its just insane!!! Your checkered past doesnt constitute constant "we are better and more intellegent than you" banter, and "we hope you lose in Iraq" rhetoric.
2007-01-13 07:10:40
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7193|UK

fadedsteve wrote:

crimson_grunt wrote:

fadedsteve wrote:

Honestly, we are doing things no differently than any of your nations have done in the past.
There's the problem right there.  Your saying "you fucked things up this ways so many times In the past so stop lecturing us when we do it".  We're trying to avoid making the same mistakes over and over again.
No. . . when I say we are doing things like you guys did, I meant sticking our noses into global politics.  Its like you guys take offense to the fact that the USA is powerful, and seemingly does what it wants.  We can do what we want, we earned that right after WWII(so did UK by the way, and Russia), and subsequent to that, our money backs us up as well!!

Our mistake thus far in Iraq (which I am sure you are going to allude to) is our lack of security of Baghdad since we took it in 03'.  That has really been a problem, since foreign fighters and insurgents basically operate at will in the capital.  Bush has taken alot of heat for the insurgency, and his inaction to secure Baghdad has hurt him immensely. 

I am not saying we made a mistake in invading Iraq at all. . .Saddam was the last of the mass murdering dictators, and he deserved to be brought to justice.  A democratic nation needs to exist there for their to be lasting meaningful peace in the future. 

As far as colonialisation, we are not colonizing anyone. . . .Nor are we barbaric in any sense of the immagination.  Europe is scared to stick its nose in anything anymore.  They pussed out in Bosnia, they have pussed out in Iraq, they wont stand up to anyone(Iran/NK etc).  We follow history just fine btw!! We realized that diplomacy in the Middle East has its limits.  Lets put it this way, did we attack Afghanistan like the Soviets did?? No we did it our way, and beat the Taliban and al-Qaeda's ass there!! If we didnt learn from histories mistakes we would have gone in there with a huge coventional army.

All I am saying is that you guys talk tons of shit in general, not just about Iraq.  Its like the USA is damned if we do, and damned if we dont with you people.  Yet you still come here and want to be apart of our country, its just insane!!! Your checkered past doesnt constitute constant "we are better and more intellegent than you" banter, and "we hope you lose in Iraq" rhetoric.
If you think that because the allies won WWII you have the right to do what you want your logic is seriously flawed. Thats the logic the Nazis had, they were better than everyone else therefore they could do what they wanted.

Please explain how you have beaten Al-Qaeda's ass? You have failed in nearly every attempt to stop them.

I dont mind America being a "great" country, as long as it keeps its "great" nose out of other peoples business that has NOTHING to do with them.
2007-01-13 07:12:18
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6794|Columbus, Ohio

Vilham wrote:

You have failed in nearly every attempt to stop them.
When was the last deadly attack by Al Qaeda in the US?
2007-01-13 07:14:08
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7193|UK
That hasnt stopped them from existing. But thanks for pointing out that the invasion of Afghanistan was pointless and doesnt relate to attacking US soil anyway.
2007-01-13 07:33:55
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6794|Columbus, Ohio

Vilham wrote:

That hasnt stopped them from existing. But thanks for pointing out that the invasion of Afghanistan was pointless and doesnt relate to attacking US soil anyway.
Wow..you fail miserably.

It may not be a big deal to you, but for some of us who have friends and families living in very high profile cities, this is a very important fact.  Nothing has happened in the US since we invaded Afghan or resumed hostilities with Iraq.  To you, that may be failure, to us over here in the USA that is success.
2007-01-13 07:38:02
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7193|UK
Clearly you believe all this crap about al qaeda being a huge group when infact its been shown to exist of several members. All those guys you see in the videos are hired mercenary's. The reason Al Qaeda hasnt struck again is thanks to security and inteligence services and has NOTHING to do with the war in afghanistan or iraq as the terrorists dont even come from those countries.
2007-01-13 07:48:08
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7081|Teesside, UK

usmarine2007 wrote:

When was the last deadly attack by Al Qaeda in the US?
You make it sound like attacks were happening every week before Iraq.  9/11 must have took them a long time & expense to plan but they don't need to go to so much effort now there's loads of soldiers to slaughter in nearby countries in the middle east so why waste the expense of traveling half way across the world?

I know you all see that acceptable and it would if the place the war was happening was the home of the terrorists but it wasn't (probably is now) it just happened to be on the same continent.

 

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