i have thought for a very long time that the SAS and MI5 or six im sorry i forget which one is for foreign and which is domestic...did a superb job in the end with the IRA, and i was hopeful in the beginning that some of that experience would rub off on the US guys........
I agree that they can learn but it also took a lot longer time then 4 years. The terrorists in Ireland really started to push the issue since 69 but England invaded Ireland in 1169 and stayed there and are still there!Bertster7 wrote:
Do you understand what the current situation in Ireland is? In Northern Ireland there are 2 groups, one want British control, the other don't. The British government have offered to reunite Ireland provided the majority of people in Northern Ireland want it.Sidious1969 wrote:
If you are calling for America to get out of Iraq, why dont you also call for the good awl UK to git out of Ireland? Hum?
I don't think we ever should have been there in the first place, but we are there and trying to sort things out in a civilised manner. Where effective negotiation has put an end to terrorism at the source, the best way. The US could learn a lot from how the situation in Northern Ireland has been handled over the past decade.
Northern Ireland has amongst the lowest tax contributions for any regions in the UK and has the highest proportion of spending there. We are fixing stuff up and are prepared to leave as soon as they ask us to. In Iraq the majority of people want the US gone (except for the Kurds), it's a different situation entirely.
Yes the current situation is far different from Iraq but America is helping Iraq, not Invading it.
I hardly think you can deny that the US invaded Iraq.Sidious1969 wrote:
Yes the current situation is far different from Iraq but America is helping Iraq, not Invading it.
Bush IS NOT THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD!!!!!
The leaders of China are.
The leaders of China are.
Quite true, I stand corrected. Thank you.Bertster7 wrote:
I hardly think you can deny that the US invaded Iraq.Sidious1969 wrote:
Yes the current situation is far different from Iraq but America is helping Iraq, not Invading it.
But you also have to agree that it may take as long as the situation in Ireland. Its not a quick fix and if they pull out now then the middle east will implode and England, America and most european countries who were part of the support for this will not be safe! I cant believe that most people who are against this feel that if the US pulls out then everything will return to normal.....how silly.
Bush has a lot of serious problems and I dont like how he has handled things. But the people who are lambasting him on this side of the pond are truly hoping that Iraq fails and that he will have egg on his face. What a way to embolden the terrorists! Maybe we just need to convict Bush and Cheney on war crimes just so we can have President Pelosi in power.........then America will be truly screwed!
God bless America! My adoptive country.
If it does take that long to sort out then it really won't have been worth doing and will bankrupt the US.Sidious1969 wrote:
Quite true, I stand corrected. Thank you.Bertster7 wrote:
I hardly think you can deny that the US invaded Iraq.Sidious1969 wrote:
Yes the current situation is far different from Iraq but America is helping Iraq, not Invading it.
But you also have to agree that it may take as long as the situation in Ireland. Its not a quick fix and if they pull out now then the middle east will implode and England, America and most european countries who were part of the support for this will not be safe! I cant believe that most people who are against this feel that if the US pulls out then everything will return to normal.....how silly.
Bush has a lot of serious problems and I dont like how he has handled things. But the people who are lambasting him on this side of the pond are truly hoping that Iraq fails and that he will have egg on his face. What a way to embolden the terrorists! Maybe we just need to convict Bush and Cheney on war crimes just so we can have President Pelosi in power.........then America will be truly screwed!
God bless America! My adoptive country.
The experts in every country think that phased withdrawal from Iraq is the best course of action. Even in the US. The report on Iraq recommended phased withdrawal, the British are going with phased withdrawal and it is clearly the most sensible thing to do.
Different war, different people, different weapons, different era. Different.ATG wrote:
Thats silly.spray_and_pray wrote:
1 second so because a small group not a country attacked you, You will go to a country kill 600 000 innocent people and lose more troops in the process then the amount you lost in the actual attack? You killed more of their innocents then the terrorists killed yours? Who is the terrorist again?Parker wrote:
ok i was making a statement that reflected my views. get me.
i think that george bush has done a damn good job in two terms that were filled with chaos. get me.
i also think that al gore would have done a horrible job. GET ME!
flame flame flame
hhhhhmmmmmmm, let see. justification of the iraq conflict.
ok since thats what people seem to be really hung up on, let me see if i can explain it to you.
first, we were attacked on 9-11 by terrorists.
second, these terrorists come from, mainly the middle east.
third, if we do not make ourselves available to attack in theyre backyard, they WILL attack us here. dont believe me? look at israel.
thats it plain and simple. it comes down to national security.
flame me, i laugh at you.
600000 is a bogus number and your not being intellectually honest. We lost more troops in a month in WW2 than in we have in more than four years of combat in the middle east.
Go put your head back in the sand, I'll wake you up when the Marines are finished doing their job.
You're better than this ATG.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
and whats wrong with mexicans? u realize that spanish is almost the most spoken language in CA. I probably have similar views to you, Vilham, but right here you turn into the stereotypical USA hater.Vilham wrote:
Um lol... the only people that immigrate to the USA are Mexicans. Good job for you...usmarine2007 wrote:
Oh no.....the world thinks that I am a douche. No wonder nobody immigrates to the US or comes to visit.....oh wait.Vilham wrote:
When has your country not been safe you ignoramus. When the hell has any other country posed military threat to the USA since WWII. Answer... THEY HAVENT! You are the exact kind of American that the rest of the world thinks are douches and ignorant cunts. You know why? Because you are a douche and an ignorant cunt.
I love the fact that you guys claim your so diverse. When infact you are far from diverse.
If the USA's place in world affairs is bad, then the UKs is *almost* as bad. We may be the ones currently waging retarded wars, but they stem from a European and particularly British colonial history that Americans were once victims to.
If the europeans didnt have to bring ethnocentrism into their critiques of america, their words wouldnt always fall on deaf ears. and its a shame because there is plenty to critique about the US, but nobody over here takes the critiques seriously when they get the sense that some foreigner is just trying to "hate."
If I may reply to ATG's post on WW2 anyway. The allies also managed to secure all of Asia and Europe in 6 years America hasnt been able to secure the road from the airport to Baghdad in 3 years. Problem?m3thod wrote:
Different war, different people, different weapons, different era. Different.ATG wrote:
Thats silly.spray_and_pray wrote:
1 second so because a small group not a country attacked you, You will go to a country kill 600 000 innocent people and lose more troops in the process then the amount you lost in the actual attack? You killed more of their innocents then the terrorists killed yours? Who is the terrorist again?
600000 is a bogus number and your not being intellectually honest. We lost more troops in a month in WW2 than in we have in more than four years of combat in the middle east.
Go put your head back in the sand, I'll wake you up when the Marines are finished doing their job.
You're better than this ATG.
You agree with invading other countries without just cause. Creating Terror and fear in its populace that makes you a terrorist. Dont even try to disagree with the meaning of a terrorist: Someone who uses terror and fear to control and force others to do their will.Parker wrote:
are you calling me a terrorist?Vilham wrote:
Anyway Ive had enough of effectively terrorist American people like parker. Im going down the pub with my friends. Bye.
what are you saying?
you sure you didnt start with the booze before you hit the pub??
for god sakes make sense.........
Yes England did this over 200 years ago... rather than doing it every day since its creation like america. We are in Ireland because until the majority of people in NI want us to leave them alone we are one and the same. THEY CHOOSE TO BE PART OF THE UK. Being in Ireland isnt an occupation... being in Iraq is. Get your facts straight.Sidious1969 wrote:
VILHAM~!
(That because you as close to a fascist as it gets tbh. You invade any county that doesnt agree with you. Which has nothing to do with you. You dont invade other countries because a few people from some other country attacked you. What are you retarded? Do you not have any morals? I don't care if you respect me as long as you keep yourself the fuck away from my country.)
And England has NEVER done this???????? Never taken over a whole country? Never India, Ireland, Austrailia, America?!?!?!?!?! Whos callin the Kettle black, mate? If you are calling for America to get out of Iraq, why dont you also call for the good awl UK to git out of Ireland? Hum?
Thats the thing.. I dont hate Americans at all. Where did I say there was anything wrong with Mexicans... I didnt. I have American family. But people like Parker and USmarine are part of the group that is the biggest cause of problems in the world. People that think war is good, and that they have any right to invade another country. Learn to read please...Marinejuana wrote:
and whats wrong with mexicans? u realize that spanish is almost the most spoken language in CA. I probably have similar views to you, Vilham, but right here you turn into the stereotypical USA hater.Vilham wrote:
Um lol... the only people that immigrate to the USA are Mexicans. Good job for you...usmarine2007 wrote:
Oh no.....the world thinks that I am a douche. No wonder nobody immigrates to the US or comes to visit.....oh wait.
I love the fact that you guys claim your so diverse. When infact you are far from diverse.
If the USA's place in world affairs is bad, then the UKs is *almost* as bad. We may be the ones currently waging retarded wars, but they stem from a European and particularly British colonial history that Americans were once victims to.
If the europeans didnt have to bring ethnocentrism into their critiques of america, their words wouldnt always fall on deaf ears. and its a shame because there is plenty to critique about the US, but nobody over here takes the critiques seriously when they get the sense that some foreigner is just trying to "hate."
As to parker thinking USA is diverse LOL! I guess he hasnt been to England or anyother country in Europe.
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From my understanding...robots are more logical...and I doubt any robot would sit on its ass reading to kids while its country was under attack...robots, while lacking 'personality' are quite capable in many other ways. So yeah, I will take the robot. Its a lot smarter.Parker wrote:
lets all think about what would have happend if the robot al gore was in office on 9-11..................
Your too great and mighty to take anyone else experience... [/sarcasm]Parker wrote:
i have thought for a very long time that the SAS and MI5 or six im sorry i forget which one is for foreign and which is domestic...did a superb job in the end with the IRA, and i was hopeful in the beginning that some of that experience would rub off on the US guys........
um...their program has advanced since bush was in office. WTF are you stupid? Seriously, go learn something and them come back to the internets. This kind of comment just degrades any serious discussion that happens. Liberal Propaganda? Russian and China listening to us? DUDE! O'Reily isnt that nutty!mtb0minime wrote:
I admire President Bush for putting up with all the shit he gets. People only talk negative on him because the insane looney liberals are obsessed with spreading their propaganda on the media. Because of Bush, Iran has no money to make nuclear weapons. Our country refuses to buy oil from them, and we have encouraged other big countries like China, Japan, Britain to not buy oil from Iran either so that they cannot fuel their nuclear program. It's stuff like this that Bush doesn't get enough credit for.
And I laugh at dumb people for reasons they never understandParker wrote:
ok i was making a statement that reflected my views. get me.
i think that george bush has done a damn good job in two terms that were filled with chaos. get me.
i also think that al gore would have done a horrible job. GET ME!
flame flame flame
hhhhhmmmmmmm, let see. justification of the iraq conflict.
ok since thats what people seem to be really hung up on, let me see if i can explain it to you.
first, we were attacked on 9-11 by terrorists.
second, these terrorists come from, mainly the middle east.
third, if we do not make ourselves available to attack in theyre backyard, they WILL attack us here. dont believe me? look at israel.
thats it plain and simple. it comes down to national security.
flame me, i laugh at you.
my problem? dont get me started. Everyone will call me a racist before they can actually answer a fucking question.Marinejuana wrote:
and whats wrong with mexicans? u realize that spanish is almost the most spoken language in CA. I probably have similar views to you, Vilham, but right here you turn into the stereotypical USA hater.Vilham wrote:
Um lol... the only people that immigrate to the USA are Mexicans. Good job for you...usmarine2007 wrote:
Oh no.....the world thinks that I am a douche. No wonder nobody immigrates to the US or comes to visit.....oh wait.
I love the fact that you guys claim your so diverse. When infact you are far from diverse.
If the USA's place in world affairs is bad, then the UKs is *almost* as bad. We may be the ones currently waging retarded wars, but they stem from a European and particularly British colonial history that Americans were once victims to.
If the europeans didnt have to bring ethnocentrism into their critiques of america, their words wouldnt always fall on deaf ears. and its a shame because there is plenty to critique about the US, but nobody over here takes the critiques seriously when they get the sense that some foreigner is just trying to "hate."
but i will put it out there anyways.
Why do Mexicans insist on invading the US instead of putting that effort INTO the actual state of Mexico. I can understand wanting a better life and all that jazz. But seriously, shouldn't we be flying in people from Darfur as well if the goal of American immigration is to help people get a better life? They are being exterminated, mexicans just cant find work. Do you see what im saying? Especially since we are spending so much on Iraq and the so called war on terror. Since we are back in the nation building game how come no Mexican politicians have tried to use this to solve the current economic situation?
Anyone?
they arent the only ones...they just have the shortest trip.Vilham wrote:
Um lol... the only people that immigrate to the USA are Mexicans. Good job for you...usmarine2007 wrote:
Oh no.....the world thinks that I am a douche. No wonder nobody immigrates to the US or comes to visit.....oh wait.Vilham wrote:
When has your country not been safe you ignoramus. When the hell has any other country posed military threat to the USA since WWII. Answer... THEY HAVENT! You are the exact kind of American that the rest of the world thinks are douches and ignorant cunts. You know why? Because you are a douche and an ignorant cunt.
I love the fact that you guys claim your so diverse. When infact you are far from diverse.
But consider how much power the executive branch has consolidated. I worry about how unbalanced the so called system is. Judicial will probably rubber stamp his decisions. The attorney general is well has demonstrated that he is willing to shred the constitution for questionable evidence. It seems the legislative is all thats left and even they are worried about being bypassed on any decision made concerning iran. Anyone catch the speech?Kmarion wrote:
We have what is called a system of checks and balances. This means that no one branch of the government is allowed total control over the decision making process. For the last few years both congress and the presidency has been held by on political parties. This has now balanced out.crimson_grunt wrote:
I've a serious question for the Americans, not intended as an insult to bush. I'm merely trying to clarify something.
Books I've read in the past (mainly war fiction) usually depict the president as having an important say in the decision making process but usually a decision is made by congress, joint chiefs and whatever other levels of government there is etc and they present this to the president for his feedback but the final decisions isn't solely his, all or some parties have to agree.
Is this how it operates? Or do you feel that it's him deciding everything based on his feelings and demanding that the rest of the government should come around to his way of thinking? Thats how it looks to me as an outsider and it's something i totally despise about Tony Bleaugh's method of governing the UK.
And to the guy who said he would wake me up when the marines are done...who wakes me up when you wind up dead after another uselss excursion in the desert? I appreciate the fact that you are ready to defend your country. But somebody has to make sure the dog is let off the lease in the right direction.
My facts are straight, my friend. The Protestant majority choose to remain part of the UK but the Catholic minority dont. Of course the majority want you to stay they are English but England DID invade and up until the peace acord the UK forces were an occupying force. England did this over 800 years ago (and i dont have my facts straight....sigh) and are still there. America will not be in the mid-east for that long or anyway near it. And England went out and conquered so many places when it was formed that your quote is quite funny. From Ireland to the west indies to New Zealand to America.....England, THE Kingdom was taking over for the good of the Kingdom. And it raped all these lands for gold, food and slaves. At lease America (if it can be blamed for this) is only doing it for oil and to fight those bastards over there rather than here.Vilham wrote:
Yes England did this over 200 years ago... rather than doing it every day since its creation like america. We are in Ireland because until the majority of people in NI want us to leave them alone we are one and the same. THEY CHOOSE TO BE PART OF THE UK. Being in Ireland isnt an occupation... being in Iraq is. Get your facts straight.Sidious1969 wrote:
VILHAM~!
(That because you as close to a fascist as it gets tbh. You invade any county that doesnt agree with you. Which has nothing to do with you. You dont invade other countries because a few people from some other country attacked you. What are you retarded? Do you not have any morals? I don't care if you respect me as long as you keep yourself the fuck away from my country.)
And England has NEVER done this???????? Never taken over a whole country? Never India, Ireland, Austrailia, America?!?!?!?!?! Whos callin the Kettle black, mate? If you are calling for America to get out of Iraq, why dont you also call for the good awl UK to git out of Ireland? Hum?
Please get your facts straight.
Good night Ya'll
Sid
Wow Didnt know that people invaded each other over 800!!! years ago... thats only 100 years less than England being first founded ffs. We got over it... time for the Irish to accept that until people in NI want to become part of Ireland they aint going to be thrown away. We gave up slavery along time before America so fu. We gave blacks equal rights before America so fu. Basically dont try and compare things England did over 200 years ago with things America is doing in the last 50 years. It just makes you look like cavemen. Idiot.Sidious1969 wrote:
My facts are straight, my friend. The Protestant majority choose to remain part of the UK but the Catholic minority dont. Of course the majority want you to stay they are English but England DID invade and up until the peace acord the UK forces were an occupying force. England did this over 800 years ago (and i dont have my facts straight....sigh) and are still there. America will not be in the mid-east for that long or anyway near it. And England went out and conquered so many places when it was formed that your quote is quite funny. From Ireland to the west indies to New Zealand to America.....England, THE Kingdom was taking over for the good of the Kingdom. And it raped all these lands for gold, food and slaves. At lease America (if it can be blamed for this) is only doing it for oil and to fight those bastards over there rather than here.Vilham wrote:
Yes England did this over 200 years ago... rather than doing it every day since its creation like america. We are in Ireland because until the majority of people in NI want us to leave them alone we are one and the same. THEY CHOOSE TO BE PART OF THE UK. Being in Ireland isnt an occupation... being in Iraq is. Get your facts straight.Sidious1969 wrote:
VILHAM~!
(That because you as close to a fascist as it gets tbh. You invade any county that doesnt agree with you. Which has nothing to do with you. You dont invade other countries because a few people from some other country attacked you. What are you retarded? Do you not have any morals? I don't care if you respect me as long as you keep yourself the fuck away from my country.)
And England has NEVER done this???????? Never taken over a whole country? Never India, Ireland, Austrailia, America?!?!?!?!?! Whos callin the Kettle black, mate? If you are calling for America to get out of Iraq, why dont you also call for the good awl UK to git out of Ireland? Hum?
Please get your facts straight.
Good night Ya'll
Sid
He's not idiotic. He's a genius... An EVIL GENIUS.
Do you seriously think anyone could be elected to the office of President Of The United States, if he were a stupid jerkoff? Chances are not many people could do it. It's a one in a billion chance. Did we inherit that one person in a billion with enough charisma to pull it off, or did we inherit a sly fox?
Only an exceptionally intelligent person can blur the lines of stupidity and genius to make himself look incompetent. It very rarely happens the other way around.
Sometimes the only thing more dangerous than a question is an answer.
Do you seriously think anyone could be elected to the office of President Of The United States, if he were a stupid jerkoff? Chances are not many people could do it. It's a one in a billion chance. Did we inherit that one person in a billion with enough charisma to pull it off, or did we inherit a sly fox?
Only an exceptionally intelligent person can blur the lines of stupidity and genius to make himself look incompetent. It very rarely happens the other way around.
Sometimes the only thing more dangerous than a question is an answer.
Maybe it is unfair to judge the President on his moments of idiocy. Every President has them and every President gets made fun of by the late night comics and the political satire created by the intranetz.
Lets instead judge the President on his successful policies.
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Lets instead judge the President on his successful policies.
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Emm no they didn't. The IRA bombed at will and the police threw random Catholics in jail for 20 years to cover their own un-intelligence because the couldn't catch them or link anyone to the crimes. Do a search for Birmingham 6 and the Guilford 4.Parker wrote:
i have thought for a very long time that the SAS and MI5 or six I'm sorry i forget which one is for foreign and which is domestic...did a superb job in the end with the IRA, and i was hopeful in the beginning that some of that experience would rub off on the US guys........
They introduced, in frustration a shot to kill policy, were un armed IRA suspects and I stress the word SUSPECTS were to be shot dead on site. This involved shooting them and in broad daylight walking up often on main streets and tapping them twice in the head as they lay. Put those images on TV and you had another recruiting Sargent for the IRA. Murdering IRA men only served to recruit 100s more young people into the organization. At the end of the day it wasn't the SAS or M15 or MI6 that stopped the IRA's activities.They couldn't. It was the fact that a level playing field for Catholics was put in place by the civil rights movements and the IRA decided its struggle, rightly so lay in politics. I know a guy who was in Special Branch (Northern Ireland M15) and he says that the IRA's intelligence department was better at its job that M15 was at theirs. He worked deep cover in the IRA for 4 full years so he know how both sides worked.
OF TOPIC. CARRY ON.................
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You wasted energy posting that response?Major_Spittle wrote:
How does one organize a fart? If there is only one, why would it need organized? Please define what constitutes a "decent" fart because I think I know the answer to this but need the clarification to solve my first two questions.BN wrote:
If i was running the worlds most powerful nation i would start acting like it. This mob could not organise a decent fart.
i would start by investing in my own people. healthcare, education, reducing poverty. All the things a government should be providing.