ATG
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Okay, the request has been made for topics not about religion.  http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=60014

Be careful of what you ask for.

And, in the end, perhaps this thread makes its way back to religion after all.
The idea for this thread started with a question that has been flitting about the darker nether reaches of my often addled brain; Why is the world so fucked up and violent?

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http://http.www.ocweekly.com  wrote:

Much of the world’s misery is a direct result of repressed faggotry. Repressed fags are bullies in school. Repressed fags become sadistic gym teachers. Repressed fags buy SUVs and drive out to the woods so they can shoot Bambi and Thumper. And if some rather persistant rumors are true, sometimes repressed fags can even grow up to become really shitty presidents.
I also never forgot about this asshole;  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Gary_Bishop
He abducted, raped and murdered Danny Davis where I grew up in Salt Lake City. At the time nobody knew, but he had done the same thing to four other boys. He waded into the river in Little Cottonwood Canyon and stuffed his little broken body between two logs. Aparently he had a problem with pornography;

Arthur Gary Bishop wrote:

"Pornography was a determining factor in my downfall. Somehow I became sexually attracted to young boys and I would fantasize about them naked. Certain bookstores offered sex education, photographic, or art books which occasionally contained pictures of nude boys. I purchased such books and used them to enhance my masturbatory fantasies."
"Finding and procuring sexually arousing materials became an obsession. For me, seeing pornography was lighting a fuse on a stick of dynamite. I became stimulated and had to gratify my urges or explode. All boys became mere sexual objects. My conscience was desensitized and my sexual appetite entirely controlled my actions.
Utah is famous for a few things; Snow, Mormons and marrying cousins. It’s less known to people that have never lived there that there are a trainload of perverts hitting on little boys all the time. Yes it happened to me and fucked me up for a few years. I drowned my problems in drugs and booze but eventually grew up and married a beautiful woman and have two great kids. It has occurred to me that because of stringent expectations of morality many there repress their natural desires and turn instead to the dark side of pornography and perversion.
Look at how angry the entire Muslim world seems to be. Is Beheading Really the Punishment for Homosexuality in Saudi Arabia? Yes it is. Could it be that repressed sexuality is what is driving the fanatics of the world to go around with a giant chip on their shoulders?

Discuss?
So what does Freud say?

Sex Repression as Child May Be Neurosi Cue

The Wacky World of Sex Crimes and Murder.

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OmniDeath
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I wouldn't say that every sadistic murderer is the spawn of some sort of repressed sexuality, but it could explain some. Why is the world so fucked up and violent? That question doesn't have one answer. It is a number of things, and how they affect and influence people to behave the way they do.
Hurricane
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Can someone condense those last 3 links for me? I've been studying the history of Middle Eastern conflict all day and don't feel like reading long shit now =/
ATG
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Hurricane wrote:

Can someone condense those last 3 links for me? I've been studying the history of Middle Eastern conflict all day and don't feel like reading long shit now =/
Sure;
screw often, but get the gender match right for a healthy happy you.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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This is why I am and advocate for porn..lol
Some creeps can't get laid so it keeps the world a safer place.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
unnamednewbie13
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Kmarion wrote:

This is why I am and advocate for porn..lol
Some creeps can't get laid so it keeps the world a safer place.
Even twisted, abnormal porn that tempts psychos into trying the real thing?

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-01-08 17:44:53)

OmniDeath
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The problem with porn is its just a step in the direction of many evil things (rape, torture, etc) Many people will say it is not and that it has benefits, and perhaps it does, but if someone who is mentally unstable or headed in that direction attempts to feed his fantasies with images, that can evolve into them trying to get the real thing; and not in the best way either. You can say this is not so, but Gary Bishop is a pretty good example of it, and I've know people personally who were headed in that direction and had to seek help.

While I wouldn't link all of the violence and terrible things in our world directly to sexual repression, although some of it is I'm sure, a lot of it stems from the general human desires. I know one major one is sex, but other broader categories like power, etc. For example, I think it would be a bit much to say someone like Hitler did what he did as a result of sexual repression, but rather for his lust of control and power, or any number of other reasons (although I didn't check all the links posted above, so I guess someone could argue otherwise...) People who are poorly raised or traumatized as a child can also grow up to be unstable and commit violent acts as a result of poor parenting or any number of things that are not sexually related. The media isn't helping the situation much either. Most of the things we see are violent rather they be fictional or not. This only helps to spread these thoughts and ideas and keep them fresh in the minds of everyone, including people who may, for one reason or another, be compelled to recreate their own.

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Deadmonkiefart
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The root of ALL evil?
ATG
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Deadmonkiefart wrote:

The root of ALL evil?
Perhaps it is. Homosexuals in Iran face the death penalty, so the ones that are curious walk around pretty uptight and stressed out; see the links. Look at the Catholic church, those people have got it so wrong with human nature and the policy of a sexless life is fueling a child molestation plague.



LMFAO          Today 18:48:57      +1      Sexual Repression Is The Root of All Evil.      All Hail Thy King of the Liberals. -

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ATG wrote:

LMFAO          Today 18:48:57      +1      Sexual Repression Is The Root of All Evil.      All Hail Thy King of the Liberals. -
HAHAHAHA someone is a noob to the forums. LOL
Turquoise
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Porn is not the answer to the world's problems, but it's also not the evil incarnate that some religious people make it out to be.

The repression of sexuality is probably a lot of the reason for why some people become rapists and why some students go crazy in high school and college with sexual activity behind their parents' backs.

I think the lesson to be learned is that a culture should not invade people's privacy on sexual affairs unless abuse or sheer perversity is involved (like incest, rape, pedophilia, zoophilia, or necrophilia), and that parents should properly prepare their teenagers for responsible sex.  Every parent needs to address things like contraceptives with their teens one way or another, whether it's through a personal conversation or through making sure the knowledge is taught at school.

Cultures that make sex so taboo or preach unrealistic ideals like "abstinence only" are typically the ones with the most problems with respect to teen pregnancy or sex crimes.

It's unfortunate that so many people twist religion into an anti-sex ideology.

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-01-08 19:17:05)

Stingray24
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If repression of these desires is bad and creates evil, what is the alternative?  Bishop started off attracted to little boys and then used porn to feed his thoughts and eventually ended up acting out his sick desires.  In his case, I think repression would have been a better option.  No, I'm not accusing you of advocating letting men touch little boys, so what do you think a viable alternative would be to repression?
ATG
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Stingray24 wrote:

If repression of these desires is bad and creates evil, what is the alternative?  Bishop started off attracted to little boys and then used porn to feed his thoughts and eventually ended up acting out his sick desires.  In his case, I think repression would have been a better option.  No, I'm not accusing you of advocating letting men touch little boys, so what do you think a viable alternative would be to repression?
I'm certainly not suggesting pedipiles indulge their sickness, I'm suggesting their might be less pedopiles if people were just a little more liberated.

The best example, again, is the Catholic Church, and the larger overall point is more about how it leads to a higher overall stress level which may lend a hand in causing violence.














Besides, it was all I could think for a thread idea.
Turquoise
O Canada
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Stingray24 wrote:

If repression of these desires is bad and creates evil, what is the alternative?  Bishop started off attracted to little boys and then used porn to feed his thoughts and eventually ended up acting out his sick desires.  In his case, I think repression would have been a better option.  No, I'm not accusing you of advocating letting men touch little boys, so what do you think a viable alternative would be to repression?
I know this was mostly directed at ATG, but I'll wager an option.

I think Bishop and others like him are probably people who were either abused early in life and need counseling, or...  they are people that were not properly exposed to the concept of sex.  Maybe Bishop was someone raised under the idea that sex was so taboo that the pressure itself twisted him.

It's hard to say, but assuming the second possibility, I think it's better to have a rational and realistic conversation about sex with your teens as they grow up.  Maybe if Bishop had discussed something like this with his parents back then, he wouldn't have become so perverse later on.

I think the greatest mistake most parents make in judgment is that it's not always a good thing to treat something as an ultimate taboo.  To shun something like sex in a very harsh way only encourages some kids to rebel against the idea.  It makes more sense to provide a logical argument against a certain behavior.  This is why I condone the DARE program, for example.

DARE gives kids rational reasons not to do drugs like cocaine, because it shows what cocaine does to people.  By the time I finished that program, I was too scared to touch any hard drugs like that.

Sex education is kind of the same idea.  When kids are made aware of all the sexual diseases out there, a lot of them will be too scared to mess around.  It is true that scare tactics aren't exactly the most rational way of going about things, but if they are factual in nature, then I think it's better than the religious alternative -- which is easily shrugged off.

In summary, I really do think most sex offenders are people who weren't raised properly.
DesertFox-
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Turquoise wrote:

DARE gives kids rational reasons not to do drugs like cocaine, because it shows what cocaine does to people.  By the time I finished that program, I was too scared to touch any hard drugs like that.

Sex education is kind of the same idea.  When kids are made aware of all the sexual diseases out there, a lot of them will be too scared to mess around.  It is true that scare tactics aren't exactly the most rational way of going about things, but if they are factual in nature, then I think it's better than the religious alternative -- which is easily shrugged off.
Education and that scared the hell outta me too. DARE kept me off drugs, Driver's Ed kept me off drinking, and Health keeps me off of VD. Sick crap, warts, lice, and such----ewwwww.
Stingray24
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Turquoise wrote:

I know this was mostly directed at ATG, but I'll wager an option.

I think Bishop and others like him are probably people who were either abused early in life and need counseling, or...  they are people that were not properly exposed to the concept of sex.  Maybe Bishop was someone raised under the idea that sex was so taboo that the pressure itself twisted him.

It's hard to say, but assuming the second possibility, I think it's better to have a rational and realistic conversation about sex with your teens as they grow up.  Maybe if Bishop had discussed something like this with his parents back then, he wouldn't have become so perverse later on.

I think the greatest mistake most parents make in judgment is that it's not always a good thing to treat something as an ultimate taboo.  To shun something like sex in a very harsh way only encourages some kids to rebel against the idea.  It makes more sense to provide a logical argument against a certain behavior.  This is why I condone the DARE program, for example.

DARE gives kids rational reasons not to do drugs like cocaine, because it shows what cocaine does to people.  By the time I finished that program, I was too scared to touch any hard drugs like that.

Sex education is kind of the same idea.  When kids are made aware of all the sexual diseases out there, a lot of them will be too scared to mess around.  It is true that scare tactics aren't exactly the most rational way of going about things, but if they are factual in nature, then I think it's better than the religious alternative -- which is easily shrugged off.

In summary, I really do think most sex offenders are people who weren't raised properly.
Some good points there, Turquoise.  It's natural to run at full speed toward whatever we're told not to do.  Hence the crazy sex and alcohol abuse at colleges nationwide.  My parents chose not to have any frank discussions with me about sex.  They basically just said, "It's awesome and we're married so we can.  But you're not, so you can't."  Therefore, I learned from school, friends, and porn.  I agree with your stance on sex education and I'm living proof that the religious angle is easily shrugged off, even by the religious.  I'm going to teach my kids my values and make sure they're educated on what they can catch if they don't use protection, and sometimes in spite of protection.  Do I want them to have sex before they get married?  No.  Will they have sex before they're married?  It's likely, so I haven't done my job if I don't prepare them for reality.   

I'm all for everyone doing whatever trips their trigger behind closed doors (except in the instances you outlined), I just don't want to know about it.  The problem comes when a culture is overly accepting when people start bringing their perversity into public for endorsement.  Then what was once "bad" is now good and to do something new and exciting, people start venturing into other areas (eeew) that are still considered taboo to experience a new thrill.
Turquoise
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Stingray24 wrote:

I'm all for everyone doing whatever trips their trigger behind closed doors (except in the instances you outlined), I just don't want to know about it.  The problem comes when a culture is overly accepting when people start bringing their perversity into public for endorsement.  Then what was once "bad" is now good and to do something new and exciting, people start venturing into other areas (eeew) that are still considered taboo to experience a new thrill.
I hear ya...  I think the biggest mistake that the gay activists make is assuming that everyone should accept their lifestyle.  I'm straight, and I don't consider being gay to be morally wrong, but I understand that many people still believe it is.  It's fine to personally disapprove of homosexuality, but the tolerance angle should mostly apply to legal equality for homosexuals.

The problem is that many gay activists somehow get the idea that tolerance should include everyone approving of homosexuality.  When they cross that line, I can understand why some religious people get upset.

However, I am still in favor of media outlets choosing their programming without some oppressive government agency like the FCC hovering over them.  I personally think the FCC is unconstitutional.

Media content should be determined by the market, not by the government.  If people find something inappropriate for broadcasting, they should vote with their dollars, not through pressuring the government to come down on a company.  Government enforced censorship is usually unconstitutional and should not be allowed.
Stingray24
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I have always thought the legal rights angle was a huge smokescreen for the real goal of gaining approval of homosexuality by everyone.  I agree with your stance on the FCC.  We all have a channel button on the remote for a reason - if I don't like it, I don't watch it.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina
When it comes the "smokescreen" idea, you're probably right about a lot of activists.  However, I think most gay people just want legal recognition, not societal acceptance.  Most of the ones I've spoken with aren't trying to change anyone's views on homosexuality, they just want a legal option for either marriage or civil unions.
RedTwizzler
I do it for the lulz.
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

This is why I am and advocate for porn..lol
Some creeps can't get laid so it keeps the world a safer place.
Even twisted, abnormal porn that tempts psychos into trying the real thing?
Rape porn (yes, it exists, if you didn't know), in my opinion, offers up a way to relieve some sexual frustration caused by not being able to rape, legally.

Saying that violent porn causes rape is like saying Grand Theft Auto or similar video games cause gang activity and murder. Sure these things glorify the crimes, but (speaking from experience) Grand Theft Auto allows people to vent their anger virtually, instead of "poppin' a cap" in a police officer's face.
Stingray24
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I've posted this in other threads: if gay couples are worried about being able to make legal and medical decisions for their partner, they need to see a lawyer.  Any couple, "straight" or otherwise, should make their spouse their durable power of attorney and medical POA, too.  Otherwise, you end up with a Terri Schivo type situation.  I don't see a legal need for marriage or civil unions in light of the fact that all couples need those legal documents in place.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6695|North Carolina

Stingray24 wrote:

I've posted this in other threads: if gay couples are worried about being able to make legal and medical decisions for their partner, they need to see a lawyer.  Any couple, "straight" or otherwise, should make their spouse their durable power of attorney and medical POA, too.  Otherwise, you end up with a Terri Schivo type situation.  I don't see a legal need for marriage or civil unions in light of the fact that all couples need those legal documents in place.
I guess my question is this...  Are you saying that these documents already provide the equivalent option of a gay civil union?
Stingray24
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Turquoise wrote:

I guess my question is this...  Are you saying that these documents already provide the equivalent option of a gay civil union?
Yes, my position exactly.

Edit: terrible English, oh well, time for bed.

Last edited by Stingray24 (2007-01-08 21:03:56)

Turquoise
O Canada
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Stingray24 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I guess my question is this...  Are you saying that these documents already provide the equivalent option of a gay civil union?
Yes, my position exactly.

Edit: terrible English, oh well, time for bed.
*shrugs* If that's true, then I guess that's an adequate solution to the issue.  My next question would concern how the tax laws would work....  I'm guessing that arrangement would allow two men or two women to file jointly.
deeznutz1245
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

This is why I am and advocate for porn..lol
Some creeps can't get laid so it keeps the world a safer place.
Even twisted, abnormal porn that tempts psychos into trying the real thing?
Like porn with chainsaws?  eeewwwww.
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