BF2S Forums To the religious: Why do you believe in God?

GATOR591957 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

GATOR591957 wrote:

I would argue that God made it possible for you to have food on your table.

I would argue otherwise. Pointless stalemate leading ultimately to an infinity of circular arguments. There is not one good reason to suggest why some higher being has a hand in anything, in my mind.

If, in any of our lives, we wandered through life without having been exposed to the concept of 'god' (especially during our formative years) there is a distinct possibility thoughts of one would never cross our minds.

I will agree to your point of endless debate.  I will never change your mind because you have already made your decision on where you stand.  I would like to point out the mathematical side to this.  Programmers need a code to program, correct.  All life has DNA, correct?  All DNA has a code, correct?  Who designed the code?  If someone designed the code,  wouldn't that make them the "creator?"

I would ask you to read "The signature of God."  It has some compelling facts.  I did not make my decision strictly on this book.  Over my lifetime I've been pondering this very question.  Through deduction and observation I have made my stance, as you will over your lifetime.

Why does there have to be a creator of DNA? Why must a creator take credit for what could very well just be the product of chemical reactions in primordial times under the conditions that existed on earth at that time? Is not our lack of understanding about where DNA originated simply another barrier we have to overcome: like believing the earth was flat? God just seems to me to be a term that gets applied to anything as yet unexplained or to get over man's difficulty in comprehending the infinite/perpetual.

Again - stalemate.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-04 15:51:30)

King_County_Downy wrote:

I have a question for the religious folk here. What would happen if everyone on earth died tomorrow from say, a meteor or a pandemic.

Would everyone who got killed get a pass because they didn't get to change religions to "the right one" before it was too late? Would everyone in Africa go to hell that didn't believe in your god? I've always been confused about that. What happens to all the other people from all the other religions out there?

Why can't anyone just except the fact that when you die, you just die? Nothing more. Nothing less.

And why can't animals go to heaven? What kind of pompous shit is that? I wish I could instill the fear of god into my cat so it behaves better.

If I'm not mistaken your cat can go to heaven, you may not, but your cat will. lol

It's not beyond belief that there is contradiction.  The Bible as written has been derived from Greek and Hebrew text.  Thus many conflicting and confusing items arise.  Slavery in the Bible is not slavery as we understand it.  In those times anyone who owed money or was indebted in some way was called a slave.  Basically in present terms we are all slaves.

the god dont exist
religions are false

how i know ?

well im a believer ! i have faith !
yes i have faith that all that is false and that there is no god

Mogura wrote:

the god dont exist
religions are false

how i know ?

well im a believer ! i have faith !
yes i have faith that all that is false and that there is no god

correct.  Only faith can support the belief that there is no God.  It is impossible to prove He does not exist.

Stingray24 wrote:

Mogura wrote:

the god dont exist
religions are false

how i know ?

well im a believer ! i have faith !
yes i have faith that all that is false and that there is no god

correct.  Only faith can support the belief that there is no God.  It is impossible to prove He does not exist.

Here i'll help you prove he doesn't, and by he i mean the Christian God.

From a Christian view point you have a Deity which is all powerful, all knowing, present, future, past etc. So now here is the kicker. You have this all powerful being create angels one of which is Lucifer. This being is all knowing so he knows very well what this Lucifer is going to do. So here is the catch he willingly creates a being which will now bring about the "fall" of man. So now you have a situation where man is now fallen, imperfect and stuck in this world which he apparently isn't from. So what better way to send himself via incarnation to save them from that which he put them into. You have Jesus whom is now going to save you from that which he created. So essentially you would have no reason for Jesus to save mankind if he had not created Lucifer. So now we have a dilemma here, this perfect Deity, essentially, his left hand is Lucifer and his right had is Jesus, but the catch is we pretend he doesn't know what the left hand is doing and go along with the entire story.


Please explain why God created Lucifer.....and we pretend....that he doesn't know of all the supposed bad things he will do to mankind.

Its all an illusion, a good one at that, but it does not work too well when you have a perfect Deity creating the problems before they start especially since he knows the outcome of everything apparently.

You can't show mercy for something you began, not only that, but to think that God IS portrayed to be the likeness of HUMANS is the ultimate arrogance of this religion. Arrogance in the sense that some how the deity of the Cosmos is going to end up being in the likeness of Humans, which make up a insignificant fraction of not only our Galaxy, but of this Universe.

hehe i begging to wonder if anyone reads what i post...he isn't asking you to do anything

Fen321 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Mogura wrote:

the god dont exist
religions are false

how i know ?

well im a believer ! i have faith !
yes i have faith that all that is false and that there is no god

correct.  Only faith can support the belief that there is no God.  It is impossible to prove He does not exist.

Here i'll help you prove he doesn't, and by he i mean the Christian God.

From a Christian view point you have a Deity which is all powerful, all knowing, present, future, past etc. So now here is the kicker. You have this all powerful being create angels one of which is Lucifer. This being is all knowing so he knows very well what this Lucifer is going to do. So here is the catch he willingly creates a being which will now bring about the "fall" of man. So now you have a situation where man is now fallen, imperfect and stuck in this world which he apparently isn't from. So what better way to send himself via incarnation to save them from that which he put them into. You have Jesus whom is now going to save you from that which he created. So essentially you would have no reason for Jesus to save mankind if he had not created Lucifer. So now we have a dilemma here, this perfect Deity, essentially, his left hand is Lucifer and his right had is Jesus, but the catch is we pretend he doesn't know what the left hand is doing and go along with the entire story.


Please explain why God created Lucifer.....and we pretend....that he doesn't know of all the supposed bad things he will do to mankind.

Its all an illusion, a good one at that, but it does not work too well when you have a perfect Deity creating the problems before they start especially since he knows the outcome of everything apparently.

You can't show mercy for something you began, not only that, but to think that God IS portrayed to be the likeness of HUMANS is the ultimate arrogance of this religion. Arrogance in the sense that some how the deity of the Cosmos is going to end up being in the likeness of Humans, which make up a insignificant fraction of not only our Galaxy, but of this Universe.

Interesting but erroneous. God created Lucifer to punish the wicked, he created him in order to be a balance, this was of course before humanity was created, therefore a balance was created and free will could exist.

Kurazoo wrote:

Stupid thread people have too many opinions and its almost impossible to know if god is real

oh he dont exist

|=-sL-.Cujucuyo. wrote:

This thread will be better of closed in my opinion, everyone here either believes in God or doesn't, it's like politics, two things that should almost never be brought up as subject in a conversation unless you know the other person believes in the same things as you, otherwise conflicts will develop.

Welcome to Debate and Serious Talk. Junk Drawer is on your left.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-04 15:56:16)

|=-sL-.Cujucuyo. wrote:

This thread will be better of closed in my opinion, everyone here either believes in God or doesn't, it's like politics, two things that should almost never be brought up as subject in a conversation unless you know the other person believes in the same things as you, otherwise conflicts will develop.

Agree

Kurazoo wrote:

|=-sL-.Cujucuyo. wrote:

This thread will be better of closed in my opinion, everyone here either believes in God or doesn't, it's like politics, two things that should almost never be brought up as subject in a conversation unless you know the other person believes in the same things as you, otherwise conflicts will develop.

Agree

Out of the many religion thredas there has been over the last few months this has been the most 'flame-retardent'. Don't kill a relatively flame-free and serious thread.

Everybody needs a little bit of faith sometime or other.

I don't believe anything about religion, but I have faith in other things.

People who don't have faith in religion put their faith into many things. They just don't realise it.

Last edited by ShowMeTheMonkey (2007-01-04 16:06:29)

Kurazoo wrote:

The thing is CameronPoe we are not flaming just expressing our views, flaming is totally different so get your facts right.

No I completely realise that but what I'm saying is that asking for the closure of a relatively flame-free thread on such a contentious issue is a bad thing.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-01-04 16:12:30)