BF2S Forums To the religious: Why do you believe in God?

Havok wrote:

stef10 wrote:

Havok wrote:

Because we all know everything you read on the internet is true.  I request links of proof, because I'm 99% sure that you're wrong.


That is also wrong.  God supposedly carved the original 10 commandments with lightning.  Then Moses shattered the stones when he saw his people worshiping a golden bull or something.  Then he went back up on the mountain and carved them himself.

and you say that im entirely wrong, hmmm, lol

I say you are wrong because you are wrong.  I'm taking passages directly from the Bible which you so dearly believe.  How about you read the holy book of your religion before you try to convince others that it is the correct religion.

EDIT: I stand corrected on the Genesis chapter.  As Jewish tradition considers it to have been written by Moses, it is sometimes also called The First Book of Moses.

Last edited by Havok (2007-08-06 11:19:36)

topal63 wrote:

Moses never existed - he's a mythical character - the exodus is a fictional event. How can a fiction author a fiction?

stef10 wrote:

well. lets see why I got my reasons. For the first I do believe that parts for the christian bible have been altered with but not the Torah because it has been perserved so well for many years. and this other reason may make me look stupid I do not care. The bible code. All of this I have seen where?


THE FUCKING HISTORY CHANNEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!


and one more thing. I think that people who do not believe in anything. That the world was an accident that just happent and there is no supreme creature are just fricking dumb idiots.

stef10 wrote:

lol, hahaha, links.


well. lets see why I got my reasons. For the first I do believe that parts for the christian bible have been altered with but not the Torah because it has been perserved so well for many years. and this other reason may make me look stupid I do not care. The bible code. All of this I have seen where?


THE FUCKING HISTORY CHANNEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!


and one more thing. I think that people who do not believe in anything. That the world was an accident that just happent and there is no supreme creature are just fricking dumb idiots.

The "J" source, from "Jahweh," the German Christian rendering of Yod-He-Vav-He, the word for God used almost exclusively by that source, and which generally presents humans in various situations in which their actions and words convey the meaning.
The "E" source, for "Elohim," the word for God most commonly used in that source, in which the focus is on events more than on the individuals involved.
The "P" source, for "Priestly," which focusses on the formal relations between God and society, including the genealogies which document the chain of transmission of God's message and authority from Creation to Moses. "P" uses both Elohim and El Shaddai.
The "D" or "Dtr" source, for the Deuteronomist, source of the book of Deuteronomy and likely in addition the books of Joshua, Judges, I and II Samuel and I and II Kings. Generally speaking, the Deuteronimist emphasizes centralization of worship and governance in Jerusalem.
The documentary hypothesis also uses the shorthand "R" for the Redactor or editor who brought together the J, E, P and Dtr material into a single set of writings we know as the Torah.

But liberal Jews – Conservative, Reform or Reconstructionist – would answer this question differently. We believe that the Torah is the work of human beings. The most common theory today among Jewish and Christian scholars was developed in the 19th century and is called the Documentary Hypothesis. It argues that the Torah is composed of several ancient source documents that were written by various unknown authors. Later these documents were combined and edited into the form in which we have it today. It’s generally thought that the Torah was completed by the 5th century BCE, following the Jews’ return to the land of Israel after having been exiled in Babylonia

stef10 wrote:

of course I will never try to change someones mind. its their problem or win if they do not believe. but im not gonna stand here why atheists keep on assaulting people who do believe in this. and thx ken for calling an extremist. so schwarzer dont u think extremist is a harsh word?

Last edited by Schwarzelungen (2007-08-06 11:42:08)

stef10 wrote:

well, i dont want to convert anybody, people must convert themself. and what I have said is what I think the world works. and of course nobody can tell you that you will be cast into hell. why do they know that. keep it for themselves.

stef10 wrote:

Havok wrote:

stef10 wrote:

you cant prove me wrong since you dont have any faith in this and also because nobody knows who has done it. as u believe.

so actually by saying that you have lost.

You can't prove anything with faith, so it doesn't really matter than I have none now does it?  And you think I'm a frikin dumb idiot?  I'm not the one believing in 2,000 year old text written by anonymous authors of debatable existence.

Let me ask you a question, and before you answer it, I want you to think long and hard about it.  What makes your religion more truthful than any other religion.  You think I'm stupid because I disagree with you, so tell me why you think you're so smart for believing in Christianity.  Is it better than Islam, than Greek mythology, than the thousands of pagan religions that Christianity is built from?  I don't want to hear about how certain Muslims blow things up and how Greek men used to molest children, I want to know why you think your God is better and more truthful than Allah, Zeus, and other deities.  If you say it is because you have faith, that doesn't make you smart at all, because smarts are derived from the way you think.  If you just assume, which is the basis of faith, then you're not thinking at all.

stef10 wrote:

so actually by saying that you have lost.

And the most child-like statement of the week goes to...

no, they are not better. why should they be when we dont have evidence. but its something in me that chooses that. i have seeb many things over and over the more and more reaches and grabs me from this holy book and this god. and why should they be better. and why should all the atheist in this forum be allowed to say that christians are idiots or even just imply it so strongly. its so hypocritical.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

stef10 wrote:

well, i dont want to convert anybody, people must convert themself. and what I have said is what I think the world works. and of course nobody can tell you that you will be cast into hell. why do they know that. keep it for themselves.

I want to be cast into plaster and immortalized.

Last edited by topal63 (2007-08-06 11:52:32)

stef10 wrote:

and havoc you call that statement childish.

well, then you clearly dont understand what u did.