Well then, here you go, you like Corvette crashesMarine_fighter77 wrote:
wow what a nice corvette gone to waste ... ffs he/she should of gave it to me instead of crashing it
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absolutely. there was talk amongst the low ranks, of which i was ofcourse, if we invade iraq, well be doing for iran what they couldnt do in the 80's. Opening up a very secualr nation to a theology run by an ayatolla. Honestly, I liked Grand Ayatolla Sistani, especially during the najaf uprising. he was the only voice of reason amongst the shiites while mookey (muqtadr sadr) was screaming war! war! war! sending poor, dumb, young iraqis to be killed by the CAV. oh well, but the more I read since ive been gone, the more im really disliking that sistani. and a lot of sadr loyalist will even disregard what the grand ayatolla will say over mookeys directives. in 04, mookey was a criminal, wanted for murder by the iraqi government on run from US Forces. now, this motherfucker is elvis presley. ahhhh man, i cant believe it. you know I would see fucking posters of mookey holding an M4 rifle triumphantly on a poster in sadr city. why oh why wont they let the military do what we're supposed to do, kill the fucking assholes and let the people decide their fates. but ahhhhh, it goes back to religion for me. iraq is 60% shiite, what a fucking tougher task this is becoming for us....ATG wrote:
Sure looks like we went and did it for them.sunnis believe shiites want to open the border to iran. persians arent arabs.
Tell me Slinga; did no one in the military discuss the possibility of Iran absorbing Iraq if we fucked up?
fubar?
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QFT +1ATG wrote:
I know it's too much to ask, but can we please take the gloves off, or get the fuck out and accept defeat.
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look man, we cant turn back the clock. whats done is done. all that is left is damage control and repair.VagrantSoldier wrote:
I don't care if people die as long as its for a cause. If you die in a car accident at the end of the day its your fault, whether you caused it or not. You chose to get in that car and every time you do you should know that you are risking your life by getting into this machine that is called a lethal weapon for a reason. A person is more dangerous behind the wheel than with a gun.
I would never fight so that my country can police the world a day longer. This nation began as a seperatist nation and that is how it should always have been. We can be isolated and still profit from trade with other countries, there is no need for us to protect our corporations overseas, they should hire mercenaries for that kind of dirty work. We have always stood alone and looked on as people of other nations shed their blood for their own causes until World War II happened. Now we think because we saved the world once we have to do it until the end of time. The only reason arabs don't like us is because we stick our nose where it doesn't belong. They say if you do that it will get chopped off. Someone has to teach our government a lesson and since our citizens have no clue as to what reality is, another country will have to do it. If we invaded all of the arabic nations we would lose more than just our nose...
If you think we should be willing to lose the lives of our friends and brethren to a war that is pointless but to suppress the beliefs of other people (fascist or communist it matters not) why don't you buy a ticket to kuwait, hitch a ride on an hmmwv and do it your self you pathetic excuses for individuals.
you either dont know what I meant when i said damage control, or are just plain ignorant. Ill let you understand a bit more, Im a veteran of OIF. Im still in the army. I know what im talking about, you dont, goodnight : )VagrantSoldier wrote:
there is no flipping damage control. Only extreme measures can get us back on track. We are Americans (not in the best sense of the word), why should we care what the rest of the world thinks? Iraq is in a state of civil war, if we step out now they will complete their war, someone will win and they can create a government that their people want. We should not do it for them. We are just repeating so many of the mistakes we have in the past. Learn from it don't burn its reveilling
Terrorism is not a reality. The more you fight it the more ammunition they gain to fight us with.
YOu don't care about 3000 soldiers lives, why do you care about 2500 and two towers that don't represent freedom, but the fact that all American money is in the hands of a few.
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It was a mob spectacle. I generally don't like state run killings but sometimes it is clearly justified, as with Saddam.VagrantSoldier wrote:
btw, how was that execution grotesque. You seem to be able to tolerate death, but you can't watch someone you probably despised die? What the hell do you think executions are for? They are not punishment, it is a form of payment to the people the guilty has hurt.
We are going to stay in Iraq and expand operations elsewhere because these people cannot be trusted with WMD's. It's not about damage control, it's about inflicting enough damage on them for us to maintain military supremecy.VagrantSoldier wrote:
You can not call me ignorant for not examining the damage control argument. That is the only argument anyone ever puts up for staying in Iraq. I should not have to try, you should know. You are the ignorant ones and I don't care if you don't believe me. I know I am right and I know I will lose this argument, but "force can oppress the truth" F. Scott Fritzgerald or some other smart person.
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I disagree with the war in Iraq because we are not fighting for our own cause. I do believe war has its benefits though. We cannot stop wars from happening, if we keep doing so it will climax with another world war. The built up energy has to be expelled somehow. If Iran thinks they deserve the entire Middle East, let them fight for it and watch them fall. Ahmadinejad is not a Hitler, maybe a Mussolini. He desires his people's respect and would lose it or at least not gain that of those he defeats if he went to total war with his neighbors.commissargizz wrote:
"fuck all wars" most are about power,greed,land and who has the best religion. Send politicians and generals and the rich to fight as it is usually the poor that ends up dying.
RIP all those who died in this senseless war.
RIP all those people who died in car crashes (my brother was killed in motorcycle crash 9 years ago).
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Soldiers are pawns and nothing moreGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
you either dont know what I meant when i said damage control, or are just plain ignorant. Ill let you understand a bit more, Im a veteran of OIF. Im still in the army. I know what im talking about, you dont, goodnight : )
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Wow, ATG appears to be smarter than all the intelligence agencies in the world.ATG wrote:
Osama is in Pakistan, let's give them 72 hours to hand him over.
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I think you mean Saddam..Bubbalo wrote:
Wow, ATG appears to be smarter than all the intelligence agencies in the world.ATG wrote:
Osama is in Pakistan, let's give them 72 hours to hand him over.
Just out of curiosity: you said that Osama shouldn't have been killed to send the message, what message do you think it will send to Pakistan when they've finally started warming up to you? Ally with America today, get killed by them tomorrow?
Also, where was this compare to the number of road deaths mentality when you lost 3000 civilians?
VagrantSoldier wrote:
One last thing before I go to bed.
The people of an oppressed country cannot realize the meaning of liberation unless they liberate themselves. The United States flag used to stand for something, because it is stained with the blood of our ancestors. We have forgotten its meaning in the 50 years or so though. The Iraqi flag will not mean anything besides debt to a foreign nation to its people if they don't earn it some way.
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