Explain?Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
No, it's called a personal bias.sergeriver wrote:
It's called common sense.Executiator wrote:
Nice to see you have a crystal ball that tells you the future!
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Poll
Was Saddam's Hanging the Right Thing?
| Yes | 65% | 65% - 202 | ||||
| No | 34% | 34% - 106 | ||||
| Total: 308 | ||||||
Where's the vid?
If you say so. Whatever.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
No, it's called a personal bias.sergeriver wrote:
It's called common sense.Executiator wrote:
Nice to see you have a crystal ball that tells you the future!
If 'that' trial was justice, then I'm a monkeys uncle.Kmarion wrote:
The point of the trial was justice. Not to motivate the enemy to surrender. If that piece of shit swinging from the gallows provided any sense of closure to the victims of all the atrocities he caused I say so be it. It's not revenge for the third party observer but perhaps healing for those involved. (I think the exact timing was bad still)ATG wrote:
I voted no, as crazy as it may sound coming from me, I think we should have made him live in exile.
I just doesn't feel right.
What motivation are we giving to people we go to war with to surrender?
Surrender and we will hang you?
Short sighted, imo.
Justice would imply fair and just. That trail had neither.
Should have shipped him off to the Hague if this was feasible or plain shot him when your marines dragged him from his hole. But nooooo! We'll just have a chimpanzee tea party of a trail which will strengthen the resistance/insurgents cause 100 fold and and let someone video him swinging.
Fuck me there are some dumb people on earth.
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I'am not refering to Kmarion as a dumb! It was in reference to the many decision makers who's input which has lead to this debacle known as Iraq.
Last edited by m3thod (2007-01-02 07:00:53)
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/popcornm3thod wrote:
If 'that' trial was justice, then I'm a monkeys uncle.Kmarion wrote:
The point of the trial was justice. Not to motivate the enemy to surrender. If that piece of shit swinging from the gallows provided any sense of closure to the victims of all the atrocities he caused I say so be it. It's not revenge for the third party observer but perhaps healing for those involved. (I think the exact timing was bad still)ATG wrote:
I voted no, as crazy as it may sound coming from me, I think we should have made him live in exile.
I just doesn't feel right.
What motivation are we giving to people we go to war with to surrender?
Surrender and we will hang you?
Short sighted, imo.
Justice would imply fair and just. That trail had neither.
Should have shipped him off to the Hague if this was feasible or plain shot him when your marines dragged him from his hole. But nooooo! We'll just have a chimpanzee tea party of a trail which will strengthen the resistance/insurgents cause 100 fold and and let someone video him swinging.
Fuck me there are some dumb people on earth.
I don't even want to get into this discussion, I literally got into a yelling match with a person at the bar. I just don't see how being hypocrites would make his death justifiable.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/123006.html
Tools.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/123006.html
Tools.
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The killings of the Shiites which he was convicted for is a domestic problem, not a war crime. Therefore he could not have been hauled to Hague for a real, international, trial.
But anyway, if Saddam was taken to Hague to be tried for his use of chemical weapons against Iran, it would be brought up that it were western "civilized" countries that supplied him with the weapons and technologies of chemical and biological weapons. Maybe it is better that he was hanged, or some may think...
But anyway, if Saddam was taken to Hague to be tried for his use of chemical weapons against Iran, it would be brought up that it were western "civilized" countries that supplied him with the weapons and technologies of chemical and biological weapons. Maybe it is better that he was hanged, or some may think...
Last edited by EVieira (2007-01-02 06:49:24)
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
The only question you need to ask is 'Is the world a better place without him?'
The answer is unquestionably yes, despite the short term increase in violent acts in Iraq that will inevitably follow such an act
The answer is unquestionably yes, despite the short term increase in violent acts in Iraq that will inevitably follow such an act
There's a paradox within your post, you say the World will be a better place without him, but at the same time his death will bring more violence.Mong0ose wrote:
The only question you need to ask is 'Is the world a better place without him?'
The answer is unquestionably yes, despite the short term increase in violent acts in Iraq that will inevitably follow such an act
There is no paradox, hence the 2nd part to my post, the additional violence will only be in the short term
If all we did was ask such question, we wouldn't need prisons. We would just hang everybody. We are supposed to be better than that...Mong0ose wrote:
The only question you need to ask is 'Is the world a better place without him?'
The answer is unquestionably yes, despite the short term increase in violent acts in Iraq that will inevitably follow such an act
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
The idea was we were presented this as justice. Not to say this is what occurred. People are quick to say he will now be a Martyr. I think it also safe to say that Saddam during his reign created many Martyrs. This could be why there was celebration at his hanging.m3thod wrote:
If 'that' trial was justice, then I'm a monkeys uncle.Kmarion wrote:
The point of the trial was justice. Not to motivate the enemy to surrender. If that piece of shit swinging from the gallows provided any sense of closure to the victims of all the atrocities he caused I say so be it. It's not revenge for the third party observer but perhaps healing for those involved. (I think the exact timing was bad still)ATG wrote:
I voted no, as crazy as it may sound coming from me, I think we should have made him live in exile.
I just doesn't feel right.
What motivation are we giving to people we go to war with to surrender?
Surrender and we will hang you?
Short sighted, imo.
Justice would imply fair and just. That trail had neither.
Should have shipped him off to the Hague if this was feasible or plain shot him when your marines dragged him from his hole. But nooooo! We'll just have a chimpanzee tea party of a trail which will strengthen the resistance/insurgents cause 100 fold and and let someone video him swinging.
Fuck me there are some dumb people on earth.
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I'am not refering to Kmarion as a dumb! It was in reference to the many decision makers who's input which has lead to this debacle known as Iraq.
I am concerned with the repercussions this is going to have on our soldiers foremost right now.
Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-02 08:02:03)
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They should have put him in jail for forever. That way he cannot be called a martyr and gets punished for what he did.
Better than what, letting him rot in jail for the rest of his life?EVieira wrote:
If all we did was ask such question, we wouldn't need prisons. We would just hang everybody. We are supposed to be better than that...Mong0ose wrote:
The only question you need to ask is 'Is the world a better place without him?'
The answer is unquestionably yes, despite the short term increase in violent acts in Iraq that will inevitably follow such an act
People like you make me sick, as far as i am concerned Sadaam lost his human rights the second he commited his acts while in charge, therefore he doesnt deserve to live. Why should people have to pay taxes to keep that thing alive?
It's not a matter of being 'better than that' it's a matter of justice for all the people he murdered
I'm copletely against the death penalty, unless it's got a definate point: (Eg, a serial child rapist was once let out and only to do it again).
But when it's a leader who yes, did kill a lot of peoplein horrible ways, but turning him into a martyr was the dumbest thing ever. It has given the Shia-ites something to fight for.
Also it seems that the "Iraqi" court was influenced by American high command which I think is very wrong.
But when it's a leader who yes, did kill a lot of peoplein horrible ways, but turning him into a martyr was the dumbest thing ever. It has given the Shia-ites something to fight for.
Also it seems that the "Iraqi" court was influenced by American high command which I think is very wrong.
in the short term? he hasn't be in power for 2 years an theres been nothing BUT violence.Mong0ose wrote:
There is no paradox, hence the 2nd part to my post, the additional violence will only be in the short term
oh btw guys did anyone see how tony blair stopped talking when that reported asked if he'd implement the death sentence here? haha he knows he'd be out of power faster than i can say yesthankyouplease
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the fuck...LostFate wrote:
in the short term? he hasn't be in power for 2 years an theres been nothing BUT violence.Mong0ose wrote:
There is no paradox, hence the 2nd part to my post, the additional violence will only be in the short term
oh btw guys did anyone see how tony blair stopped talking when that reported asked if he'd implement the death sentence here? haha he knows he'd be out of power faster than i can say yesthankyouplease
blair is leaving anyway
he couldn't possibly get the death sentance put back in here since he wouldn't get majority support
in Iraq the violence already existed but was repressed, Sadam might have been an evil dictator but he was an efficient one, those people/religious groups/extremists etc already hated each other, Sadam just stopped them killing each other
I think he's talking about a backlash after Saddams death. I doubt there will be any serious reprisals from the Iraqi's/Insurgents from Saddams hanging.LostFate wrote:
in the short term? he hasn't be in power for 2 years an theres been nothing BUT violence.Mong0ose wrote:
There is no paradox, hence the 2nd part to my post, the additional violence will only be in the short term
oh btw guys did anyone see how tony blair stopped talking when that reported asked if he'd implement the death sentence here? haha he knows he'd be out of power faster than i can say yesthankyouplease
I love having the death penalty here in the US. Kinda deters me from going around and killing everybody I hate..
is saddam still dead?
Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2007-01-02 09:28:16)
Yeah... with my feet on the trap and my head in the noose...
5 more minutes to go.
Well, c'mon somethin' and cut me loose.
I got 4 more minutes to go.
I can see the mountains. I see the sky.
3 more minutes to go.
And it's too damned pretty for a man to die.
i got 2 more minutes to go
I can hear the buzzards... hear the crows.
1 more minute to go.
And now I'm swingin' and here I gooooooooo....
(thanks mister Cash R.I.P. )
5 more minutes to go.
Well, c'mon somethin' and cut me loose.
I got 4 more minutes to go.
I can see the mountains. I see the sky.
3 more minutes to go.
And it's too damned pretty for a man to die.
i got 2 more minutes to go
I can hear the buzzards... hear the crows.
1 more minute to go.
And now I'm swingin' and here I gooooooooo....
(thanks mister Cash R.I.P. )
I think it was the right thing to. now if we can only hang a few more leader of other country the world might be a little better place to live.
i will laugh if those who sentanced sadam and hanged him go to hell for murder
Saddam's cat:
For those who think killing him was wrong, what would y'all have us do with him after his capture? If we lock him up in a jail, it will only be a gigantic magnet for Sunni terrorists who want to free him and Shiite terrorists who want to kill him. Or, some radicals might pull a Lockerbie and threaten to kill someone or blow up something unless Saddam is freed.
This is why the word planning was invented.UGADawgs wrote:
For those who think killing him was wrong, what would y'all have us do with him after his capture? If we lock him up in a jail, it will only be a gigantic magnet for Sunni terrorists who want to free him and Shiite terrorists who want to kill him. Or, some radicals might pull a Lockerbie and threaten to kill someone or blow up something unless Saddam is freed.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.