hotdamn someone smarter than the average bear.Dersmikner wrote:
The bitch of this whole deal is that though Saddam Hussein was a disgusting, repugnant, sack of shit killer who tortured and maimed for fun and profit, he was really the only secular thing in the area that was holding down those damned Islamic nut-jobs.
that is hilarious
I don't think anyone logically assessing Iraq can refute the idea that Saddam was effective as a leader because of his brutality. It's just sad that so many Americans went into this thinking that we could somehow transform Iraq in a matter of a few years with an authoritative structure based on Western values....Krappyappy wrote:
hotdamn someone smarter than the average bear.Dersmikner wrote:
The bitch of this whole deal is that though Saddam Hussein was a disgusting, repugnant, sack of shit killer who tortured and maimed for fun and profit, he was really the only secular thing in the area that was holding down those damned Islamic nut-jobs.
It's like the neocons were completely ignorant of the history of Iraq....
Good riddance http://www.kdp.pp.se/old/chemical.html .
Has the entire "Dirty Dozen" been taken care of?
* Saddam Hussein (1937-2006), Iraqi President, accused of many torturings, killings and of ordering the 1988 cleansing of Kurds in Northern Iraq.
* Qusay Hussein (1966 - 2003), son of the president, head of the elite Republican Guard, believed to have been chosen by Saddam as his successor.
* Uday Hussein (1964 - 2003), son of the president, accused of having a private torture chamber and of the rapes and killings of many women. He was partially paralyzed after a 1996 attempt on his life, and was leader of the paramilitary group Fedayeen Saddam and of the Iraqi media.
* Taha Yassin Ramadan, Vice-President. He oversaw the mass killings of a Shi'a revolt in 1991, and he was born in Iraqi Kurdistan.
* Tariq Aziz, Foreign Minister of Iraq, supposedly backed up the executions by hanging of political opponents after the revolution of 1968.
* Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti, Hussein's half brother, leader of the Iraqi secret service, Mukhabarat. He was Iraq's representative to the United Nations in Geneva.
* Sabawi Ibrahim al-Tikriti, Hussein's half brother, he was the leader of the Mukhabarat during the 1991 Gulf War. Director of Iraq's general security from 1991 to 1996. He was involved in the 1991 suppresion of Kurds.
* Watban Ibrahim al-Tikriti, Hussein's half brother, former senior Interior Minister who was also Saddam's presidencial adviser. Shot in the leg by Uday Hussein in 1995. He has allegedly ordered tortures, rapes, murders and deportations.
* Ali Hassan al-Majid, Chemical Ali, alleged mastermind behind Saddam's lethal gassing of rebel Kurds in 1988. A first cousin of Saddam Hussein;
* Izzat Ibrahim ad-Douri, military commander, vice-president of the Revolutionary Command Council and deputy commander in chief of the armed forces during various military campaigns.
* Aziz Saleh Nuhmah, appointed governor of Kuwait from November of 1990 to February of 1991, allegedly ordered looting of stores and rapes of Kuwaiti women during his tenure. Also ordered the destruction of Shi'a holy sites during the 1970s and 1980s as governor of two Iraqi provinces.
* Mohammed Amza Zubeidi, alias Saddam's shi'a thug, Prime Minister of Iraq from 1991 to 1993 - alleged to have ordered many executions.
Has the entire "Dirty Dozen" been taken care of?
* Saddam Hussein (1937-2006), Iraqi President, accused of many torturings, killings and of ordering the 1988 cleansing of Kurds in Northern Iraq.
* Qusay Hussein (1966 - 2003), son of the president, head of the elite Republican Guard, believed to have been chosen by Saddam as his successor.
* Uday Hussein (1964 - 2003), son of the president, accused of having a private torture chamber and of the rapes and killings of many women. He was partially paralyzed after a 1996 attempt on his life, and was leader of the paramilitary group Fedayeen Saddam and of the Iraqi media.
* Taha Yassin Ramadan, Vice-President. He oversaw the mass killings of a Shi'a revolt in 1991, and he was born in Iraqi Kurdistan.
* Tariq Aziz, Foreign Minister of Iraq, supposedly backed up the executions by hanging of political opponents after the revolution of 1968.
* Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti, Hussein's half brother, leader of the Iraqi secret service, Mukhabarat. He was Iraq's representative to the United Nations in Geneva.
* Sabawi Ibrahim al-Tikriti, Hussein's half brother, he was the leader of the Mukhabarat during the 1991 Gulf War. Director of Iraq's general security from 1991 to 1996. He was involved in the 1991 suppresion of Kurds.
* Watban Ibrahim al-Tikriti, Hussein's half brother, former senior Interior Minister who was also Saddam's presidencial adviser. Shot in the leg by Uday Hussein in 1995. He has allegedly ordered tortures, rapes, murders and deportations.
* Ali Hassan al-Majid, Chemical Ali, alleged mastermind behind Saddam's lethal gassing of rebel Kurds in 1988. A first cousin of Saddam Hussein;
* Izzat Ibrahim ad-Douri, military commander, vice-president of the Revolutionary Command Council and deputy commander in chief of the armed forces during various military campaigns.
* Aziz Saleh Nuhmah, appointed governor of Kuwait from November of 1990 to February of 1991, allegedly ordered looting of stores and rapes of Kuwaiti women during his tenure. Also ordered the destruction of Shi'a holy sites during the 1970s and 1980s as governor of two Iraqi provinces.
* Mohammed Amza Zubeidi, alias Saddam's shi'a thug, Prime Minister of Iraq from 1991 to 1993 - alleged to have ordered many executions.
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World [Rope] Saddam
I guess he'll need some pills for the hangover... LOL
I guess he'll need some pills for the hangover... LOL
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bs that is. At least before the war, ppl get killed if they talk abut him or sumthin, but NOW innocent ppl in thier homes are dying ffsAjax_the_Great1 wrote:
The death toll was larger before the U.S. got involved.Marconius wrote:
And so passes on the only person in the world who knew how to properly handle Iraq...
$1 trillion, 3000+ American soldiers, 600,000 civilians later...
OWNED - PWNED - When i knew that guy got caught he was dead meat , shit finally hes been executed and now hes in hell !! lol o well the old guy deserves it fuk him
okay the guy did bad things but come on the way you are all goin on about it. first of its christmas still no one deserves to be hanged at this time!
I would like to see REAL evidence that it was actually Saddam that was hanged.
The should have executed him on March 16th.
http://www.gendercide.org/case_anfal.html
http://www.gendercide.org/case_anfal.html
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What a morning, just woke up and heard the wonderful news!
I am surprised though, I was 100% sure that all these world piece organizations would have somehow spared his life.
OK, flame me but that´s the name of the game. If you kill tons of innocent people and play around like this guy, then you definitely have it coming. A little surprised about the way though...hanged...I mean, isn´t that a bit medieval... A public execution with AK´s would have been a better way to end a dictators life.
And to all those who don´t like death penalties:
THIS is the only way to get rid of people who have committed crimes that no one can accept. What do you win by putting him in a cell for the rest of his life or in a mental facility...NOTHING.. They will always be the same persons with the same sick minds!!!! Besides, it costs a lot of money.. I´d rather use my tax money on a bullet than on a 75 year vacation trip to some fancy hospital and it costs money to keep them in prisons too...
Here in Finland we have this problem: Waste a guy and after 6-7 years you are back on the street. If it was your first one and you act good in prison you get away with half the time. One of my work buddies had this faith and I´m so pissed of about it. His wife was left alone with 5 kids and the murderer of their father now walks as a free man somewhere here in Finland....
It should be used more often, I bet that many people would reconsider before they act if there was harder punishments for their deeds.
OK, this is a subject that could be discussed hour after hour so I´m not gonna get any deeper in it. But this is my opinion about it...
I am surprised though, I was 100% sure that all these world piece organizations would have somehow spared his life.
OK, flame me but that´s the name of the game. If you kill tons of innocent people and play around like this guy, then you definitely have it coming. A little surprised about the way though...hanged...I mean, isn´t that a bit medieval... A public execution with AK´s would have been a better way to end a dictators life.
And to all those who don´t like death penalties:
THIS is the only way to get rid of people who have committed crimes that no one can accept. What do you win by putting him in a cell for the rest of his life or in a mental facility...NOTHING.. They will always be the same persons with the same sick minds!!!! Besides, it costs a lot of money.. I´d rather use my tax money on a bullet than on a 75 year vacation trip to some fancy hospital and it costs money to keep them in prisons too...
Here in Finland we have this problem: Waste a guy and after 6-7 years you are back on the street. If it was your first one and you act good in prison you get away with half the time. One of my work buddies had this faith and I´m so pissed of about it. His wife was left alone with 5 kids and the murderer of their father now walks as a free man somewhere here in Finland....
It should be used more often, I bet that many people would reconsider before they act if there was harder punishments for their deeds.
OK, this is a subject that could be discussed hour after hour so I´m not gonna get any deeper in it. But this is my opinion about it...
No, it's not BS. Saddam is generally held responsible for the deaths of close to a million Iraqis. The difference, however, is that these occurred over the course of 22 years, rather than 3.5.rabee2789b wrote:
bs that is. At least before the war, ppl get killed if they talk abut him or sumthin, but NOW innocent ppl in thier homes are dying ffsAjax_the_Great1 wrote:
The death toll was larger before the U.S. got involved.Marconius wrote:
And so passes on the only person in the world who knew how to properly handle Iraq...
$1 trillion, 3000+ American soldiers, 600,000 civilians later...
Nice find, that would've been very appropriate.
You said "now" 5 times...Turquoise wrote:
The only thing that this might solve is the American stubbornness against leaving Iraq. We've eliminated the man we were aiming for now. It's time to leave. Even Bush might listen to this idea now, since he can at least spin things now on some level as "mission accomplished."farmerfez wrote:
now what would this solve? I mean im not saying i like saddam but where there bombs going off in iraq every day when was in power? Was there order? Bush coulda minded his own business but instead he had to get up in the affairs of another country which wasnt doing anything to us. We THINK Iraq had WMD's. It was never proven. This whole war was for oil and bush redeeming his father. If iraq had used WMD's it wouldve justified going in but we went in without proper intel or knowing what we would be facing and look what it got us into.
My 2 cents
I'm convinced that Bush really would withdraw our forces if he politically could, and now that option slowly approaches. I don't normally do this, but I'll wager that we'll be out of Iraq by late 2008. He now has the political collateral necessary to leave.
What about the real guy he was after, who was supposed to be hiding out with Saddam.... what was his name..... oh well, if it was important or at all relative to this war then I'm sure some of Bush's political collateral is having caught and tried him. If only I could remember his name.......Turquoise wrote:
The only thing that this might solve is the American stubbornness against leaving Iraq. We've eliminated the man we were aiming for now. It's time to leave. Even Bush might listen to this idea now, since he can at least spin things now on some level as "mission accomplished."
I'm convinced that Bush really would withdraw our forces if he politically could, and now that option slowly approaches. I don't normally do this, but I'll wager that we'll be out of Iraq by late 2008. He now has the political collateral necessary to leave.
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And the conspiracy theories start....... where did I put that popcorn?silo1180 wrote:
I would like to see REAL evidence that it was actually Saddam that was hanged.
It was only a matter of time.Sylvanis wrote:
And the conspiracy theories start....... where did I put that popcorn?silo1180 wrote:
I would like to see REAL evidence that it was actually Saddam that was hanged.
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This is kind of funny...Hurricane wrote:
"Three years after he was hauled from a hole in the ground by pursuing U.S. forces, Saddam Hussein was hanged Saturday under a sentence imposed by an Iraqi court, al-Hurra TV, al-Arabiya and Sky News TV reported."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16389128/
"Saddam Hussein Has Been Executed, According to a Senior American Official in Baghdad"
http://nytimes.com/
That doesn't sound like repect to me....CNN&MSNBC wrote:
“Saddam was treated with respect when he was alive and after his death,” al-Rubaie said.
but
“This son of a bitch is lying under my feet. … I can’t talk now because of all the cheers!” a witness said.
Witnesses to the execution told Richard Engel of NBC News that they were cheering around the body of Saddam after the hanging
He said that celebrations broke out after Hussein was dead, and that there was "dancing around the body."
My respect
[google]http://video.google.chttp://tampastorm.smugmug.com/photos/119779037-L.jpgom/videoplay?docid=6547702701811013198&hl=en[/google]
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They hung an old guy called Saddam Hussein, not the 60-foot monster that went by the same name.
He got deflated to human size when he was found hiding in a pit in the backyard of a farmhouse.
He got deflated to human size when he was found hiding in a pit in the backyard of a farmhouse.
All those years of loyalty to the US seem not to have paid off for Mr. Hussein. I'll bet he rues the day he miscalculated US feelings and invaded Kuwait. And he had done so well up until then: gassing Iranians with chemical weapons and killing 100s of thousands of Iranians and his own citizens, with the west - his ally - happy to turn a blind eye. Congratulations western powers on your magnificent display of hypocrisy. His death unfortunately comes many many years too late for the majority of his many victims.
I'm currently reading a very scholarly book about the modern political history of Iran. So far I've only got as far as the end of the reign of the dictatorship of Reza Shah Pahlavi, a man very similar to Saddam. He built up an authoritarian and militantly secular regime in Iran, disregarding the intrinsically religious culture of the people, and as is/was the case in Iraq - it proved to be a rotten hollow house of cards that tumbled down at the slightest sign of serious trouble. That fake nation had a constitution along US lines and was dominated by foreign interests in their natural resources. That state failed miserably and the now stable and largely popular current government of Iran, along religious lines, is what we have today. If history is anything to go by then you can expect an Iranian type state to come into existence in Iraq eventually and there will be little or nothing the west will be able to do about it (just like how they were impotent to prevent the Islamic revolution in Iran from occurring). From reading this book I have to say I am disgusted by the weak will of certain middle eastern leaders and the rampant greed of Russia, Britain, France and the US. And I can see that little has changed in the leading western powers between the Pahlavi era and now. It's time for the west to leave the middle east be and focus on improving ourselves, not dictating the path others should follow.
I'm currently reading a very scholarly book about the modern political history of Iran. So far I've only got as far as the end of the reign of the dictatorship of Reza Shah Pahlavi, a man very similar to Saddam. He built up an authoritarian and militantly secular regime in Iran, disregarding the intrinsically religious culture of the people, and as is/was the case in Iraq - it proved to be a rotten hollow house of cards that tumbled down at the slightest sign of serious trouble. That fake nation had a constitution along US lines and was dominated by foreign interests in their natural resources. That state failed miserably and the now stable and largely popular current government of Iran, along religious lines, is what we have today. If history is anything to go by then you can expect an Iranian type state to come into existence in Iraq eventually and there will be little or nothing the west will be able to do about it (just like how they were impotent to prevent the Islamic revolution in Iran from occurring). From reading this book I have to say I am disgusted by the weak will of certain middle eastern leaders and the rampant greed of Russia, Britain, France and the US. And I can see that little has changed in the leading western powers between the Pahlavi era and now. It's time for the west to leave the middle east be and focus on improving ourselves, not dictating the path others should follow.
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Oops... my OCD is showing through.... lolExecutiator wrote:
You said "now" 5 times...Turquoise wrote:
The only thing that this might solve is the American stubbornness against leaving Iraq. We've eliminated the man we were aiming for now. It's time to leave. Even Bush might listen to this idea now, since he can at least spin things now on some level as "mission accomplished."farmerfez wrote:
now what would this solve? I mean im not saying i like saddam but where there bombs going off in iraq every day when was in power? Was there order? Bush coulda minded his own business but instead he had to get up in the affairs of another country which wasnt doing anything to us. We THINK Iraq had WMD's. It was never proven. This whole war was for oil and bush redeeming his father. If iraq had used WMD's it wouldve justified going in but we went in without proper intel or knowing what we would be facing and look what it got us into.
My 2 cents
I'm convinced that Bush really would withdraw our forces if he politically could, and now that option slowly approaches. I don't normally do this, but I'll wager that we'll be out of Iraq by late 2008. He now has the political collateral necessary to leave.
QFT.Dersmikner wrote:
The bitch of this whole deal is that though Saddam Hussein was a disgusting, repugnant, sack of shit killer who tortured and maimed for fun and profit, he was really the only secular thing in the area that was holding down those damned Islamic nut-jobs.
I remember an interview with Blair on TV a while ago. He was agreeing and celebrating the fact that Saddam was going to be hung/executed whatever, but when asked about whether we should adopt the death penalty in the UK for the sickest of criminals, he refused to answer.
Such a two-faced shite.
Death penalty ! what a bunch of bullshit, i hear these people on the news saying " oh yeah there will be a video of it to mark the occasion "
Wtf is wrong with these fucknuts Death penalty is so damn 16 th century
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Wtf is wrong with these fucknuts Death penalty is so damn 16 th century
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sq9iubC3Co
The verdict.
Btw, I love those pics of them setting up the noose
The verdict.
Btw, I love those pics of them setting up the noose
The only shame I can think of, is he should have left free and clear in 2003 when he was given the chance to step down and go into exile. Had he done this, we probably would not be there today and he would not have been hung like a common criminal.