Lt Dan's Legs wrote:
What? The engines give the airplane speed which creates windflow over and under the wing. The wheels are what make it go. This is not a rocket we are talking about. Without the wheels you would not be able to get enough airspeed to generate enough airflow over the wings to create lift.
:pnorge wrote:
anyone that thinks the planes momentum is caused by the wheels is a fucking retard and needs to be banned asap.
Ok. Take the wheels off the plane. Do not adjust anything, just remove the wheels. Forget the treadmill. Would it fly?Fredrik wrote:
Lt Dan's Legs wrote:
What? The engines give the airplane speed which creates windflow over and under the wing. The wheels are what make it go. This is not a rocket we are talking about. Without the wheels you would not be able to get enough airspeed to generate enough airflow over the wings to create lift.:pnorge wrote:
anyone that thinks the planes momentum is caused by the wheels is a fucking retard and needs to be banned asap.
The wheels do not make the plane go. the wheels reduce the friction between the airplane and the runway. Sea planes have skids and no wheels, but they can fly right? Do the skids make the sea plane go?Lt Dan's Legs wrote:
Ok. Take the wheels off the plane. Do not adjust anything, just remove the wheels. Forget the treadmill. Would it fly?Fredrik wrote:
Lt Dan's Legs wrote:
What? The engines give the airplane speed which creates windflow over and under the wing. The wheels are what make it go. This is not a rocket we are talking about. Without the wheels you would not be able to get enough airspeed to generate enough airflow over the wings to create lift.:pnorge wrote:
anyone that thinks the planes momentum is caused by the wheels is a fucking retard and needs to be banned asap.
Take the skids and floats off.....will it fly?Psycho wrote:
The wheels do not make the plane go. the wheels reduce the friction between the airplane and the runway. Sea planes have skids and no wheels, but they can fly right? Do the skids make the sea plane go?Lt Dan's Legs wrote:
Ok. Take the wheels off the plane. Do not adjust anything, just remove the wheels. Forget the treadmill. Would it fly?Fredrik wrote:
:pLt Dan's Legs wrote:
What? The engines give the airplane speed which creates windflow over and under the wing. The wheels are what make it go. This is not a rocket we are talking about. Without the wheels you would not be able to get enough airspeed to generate enough airflow over the wings to create lift.
Last edited by Titch2349 (2006-12-29 11:01:03)
yes... yes it will.Lt Dan's Legs wrote:
Take the skids and floats off.....will it fly?Psycho wrote:
The wheels do not make the plane go. the wheels reduce the friction between the airplane and the runway. Sea planes have skids and no wheels, but they can fly right? Do the skids make the sea plane go?Lt Dan's Legs wrote:
Ok. Take the wheels off the plane. Do not adjust anything, just remove the wheels. Forget the treadmill. Would it fly?
- no floats 
- no floatsLast edited by Sk (2006-12-29 11:14:22)
rofl. okay so heres how it goes. you take what we know from physics. (friction and lift and drag and all that other shit) and combine it with common sense (the wheels turn with minimal friction, causing a slight drop in the planes max speed, subtract that force of friction, and you would get(if the top speed of the plane was 200) a measurement of about 198. then as soon as the plane got to the end of the treadmill at 198 mile per hour, it would lose that force of friction and reach max speed, and take off. however, a planes max speed is not the speed required to take off. a plane will take off muhc sooner than that, so the plane will fly.spray_and_pray wrote:
You cannot prove they are wrong what you are saying is only theoretical and not a fact it is not solid evidence drawing up a diagram. Such an experiment would have to include a real life aircraft and over a few hundred tests with different variables. You failed at science? And at making me fail.norge wrote:
you fail at logic. the reason i ignore other peoples points of view is because they are wrong.spray_and_pray wrote:
You yourself are being dumb by spamming a topic and are ignoring other peoples point of view. You FAIL at proper discussion . Keep it nice and responsible or people wont take you seriously.
roflmao. wheels have bearings, which allow the force of friction to be reduced by a huge amount. if you took the wheels off a plane, it might still fly if the engines are strong enough to overcome the force of friction. and a water plane without floats will not fly, because it will sink DUMBASSLt Dan's Legs wrote:
Take the skids and floats off.....will it fly?Psycho wrote:
The wheels do not make the plane go. the wheels reduce the friction between the airplane and the runway. Sea planes have skids and no wheels, but they can fly right? Do the skids make the sea plane go?Lt Dan's Legs wrote:
Ok. Take the wheels off the plane. Do not adjust anything, just remove the wheels. Forget the treadmill. Would it fly?
No need to be rude about it.norge wrote:
roflmao. wheels have bearings, which allow the force of friction to be reduced by a huge amount. if you took the wheels off a plane, it might still fly if the engines are strong enough to overcome the force of friction. and a water plane without floats will not fly, because it will sink DUMBASSLt Dan's Legs wrote:
Take the skids and floats off.....will it fly?Psycho wrote:
The wheels do not make the plane go. the wheels reduce the friction between the airplane and the runway. Sea planes have skids and no wheels, but they can fly right? Do the skids make the sea plane go?
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Just clicked. I see now. Thanks.Titch2349 wrote:
Okay.... the plane is staying put, because the wheels are free floating.... they do not affect the speed of the plane
They do not speed it up... they have no gears, all they do is go up and down, and give the plane something do move around on.
Because of this, when the tread mill is moving, it is only dragging the wheels, not the plane
not quite.Lt Dan's Legs wrote:
I guess what I am having a hard time understanding.......
The treadmill is matching the speed of the tires in the opposite direction right?
If that is the case, then the plane would be stationary one would quickly assume. You guys are bringing up all this scientific stuff which is good and helpful, just a little confusing for me I guess.
A planeSk wrote:
not quite.Lt Dan's Legs wrote:
I guess what I am having a hard time understanding.......
The treadmill is matching the speed of the tires in the opposite direction right?
If that is the case, then the plane would be stationary one would quickly assume. You guys are bringing up all this scientific stuff which is good and helpful, just a little confusing for me I guess.
the treadmill is matching the speed of the PLANE - not the tyres
I'd have to think a bit more about it if the treadmill was matching the tyre speed, as we'd quickly reach an infinite speed, so the friction greated would be infinite (until the tyres exploded, bearings fused etc)... so that's a bit more complicated.
But like I said many pages ago, the initial thread clearly states that the treadmill will match the PLANES speed, so this only means the wheels will spin at twice the rate the plane is moving
cheers budATG wrote:
A planeSk wrote:
not quite.Lt Dan's Legs wrote:
I guess what I am having a hard time understanding.......
The treadmill is matching the speed of the tires in the opposite direction right?
If that is the case, then the plane would be stationary one would quickly assume. You guys are bringing up all this scientific stuff which is good and helpful, just a little confusing for me I guess.
the treadmill is matching the speed of the PLANE - not the tyres
I'd have to think a bit more about it if the treadmill was matching the tyre speed, as we'd quickly reach an infinite speed, so the friction greated would be infinite (until the tyres exploded, bearings fused etc)... so that's a bit more complicated.
But like I said many pages ago, the initial thread clearly states that the treadmill will match the PLANES speed, so this only means the wheels will spin at twice the rate the plane is moving
is standing on a runway that can move (like a giant conveyor
belt). This conveyor has a control system that tracks the plane's
speed and tunes the speed of the conveyor to be exactly the same (but
in the opposite direction).
you are correct my son.
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