jonsimon
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Commie Killer wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

Smoking something? Im pretty sure that the US will not lose a war against Iran....
Its a possibility. Our military is stretched thin, occupying a hundred different countries at once. And their military is strong and home-grown. Plus three of our carrier groups are sitting ducks in the Arabian sea for no reason. It's certainly a possibility we could lose a war with Iran under our current conditions. Now, say, if we weren't occupying a large part of the world and were able to fight them in a sort of 1 v 1, they'd surrender or we'd crush them.
There is an EXTREMLY small chance that they would sink even one of our ships above the destroyer level, a carrier being sunk is out of the question.
There are three carrier groups in the Persian gulf. Iran controls the mountainous coast with two seperate lines of fire at the same point in the only channel leading out of the gulf. If Iran fortifies that position those carrier groups are sunk or stranded. Might is nothing in the face of a tactical advantage.

Edit: Yeah, I totally called the Persian gulf the Arabian sea, oops.

Last edited by jonsimon (2006-12-24 14:26:31)

Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
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Ahmadinejad is like a guy who trys to kill 20 fully armed Marines with a six shooter.
Fancy_Pollux
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jonsimon wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Its a possibility. Our military is stretched thin, occupying a hundred different countries at once. And their military is strong and home-grown. Plus three of our carrier groups are sitting ducks in the Arabian sea for no reason. It's certainly a possibility we could lose a war with Iran under our current conditions. Now, say, if we weren't occupying a large part of the world and were able to fight them in a sort of 1 v 1, they'd surrender or we'd crush them.
There is an EXTREMLY small chance that they would sink even one of our ships above the destroyer level, a carrier being sunk is out of the question.
There are three carrier groups in the Persian gulf. Iran controls the mountainous coast with two seperate lines of fire at the same point in the only channel leading out of the gulf. If Iran fortifies that position those carrier groups are sunk or stranded. Might is nothing in the face of a tactical advantage.

Edit: Yeah, I totally called the Persian gulf the Arabian sea, oops.
Good thing you caught onto this. If only we had military strategists like jonsimon in the navy to warn our carrier groups...



However, this is my all-time favorite:

jonsimon wrote:

You, sir, are fucking dumb.

Tax cuts lead to decreases in tax revenues. Shut the fuck up, don't even try to argue that point, it is a fact.
jonsimon should be on an episode of Bill Cosby's Kids Say the Darndest Things.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-12-24 14:47:01)

Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
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Someone want to explain to me how Iran is going to fortify two fronts while US destroyers are pounding them with cruise missiles!
GunSlinger OIF II
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Elamdri wrote:

Someone want to explain to me how Iran is going to fortify two fronts while US destroyers are pounding them with cruise missiles!
allah ofcourse
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|7072|Peoria

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Elamdri wrote:

Someone want to explain to me how Iran is going to fortify two fronts while US destroyers are pounding them with cruise missiles!
allah ofcourse
Ooops, silly me. How could I been so naive.
Commie Killer
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Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

Smoking something? Im pretty sure that the US will not lose a war against Iran....
Its a possibility. Our military is stretched thin, occupying a hundred different countries at once. And their military is strong and home-grown. Plus three of our carrier groups are sitting ducks in the Arabian sea for no reason. It's certainly a possibility we could lose a war with Iran under our current conditions. Now, say, if we weren't occupying a large part of the world and were able to fight them in a sort of 1 v 1, they'd surrender or we'd crush them.
There is an EXTREMLY small chance that they would sink even one of our ships above the destroyer level, a carrier being sunk is out of the question.
Destroyers are small and can be sunk if you can get through the battle group's defenses.

A Nimitz class carrier, however, is widely considered to be unsinkable by conventional weaponry, even by anti-ship missiles and torpedoes. When you consider the stout construction, skilled D/C crews, massive size, large and technologically advanced airwing, half a dozen powerful surface and subsurface escorts, then you can be sure that if you are successful in damaging a Nimitz class, then you yourself will probably not be around to brag about it afterwards. Also note that the Nimitz class can still remain afloat with the majority of its bulkheads destroyed and compartments filled with water. The Nimitz's ability to isolate flooding to individual compartments make it a waste of time to try and sink. A submarine could literally blow out the entire lower decks of a Nimitz and still not sink it. For these reasons, it is the most survivable warship in history. This is also why the Soviet Union was prepared to use nuclear weapons against air and surface combatants alike.
With the advanced radar, air defense, missle defense, and anti ship/submarine capabilitys of every ship in the United States Navy that is the class of destroyer or above, I find it highly unlikely that they will sink a single ship even with a saturation attempt with 100 or 1000s of missles.

jonsimon wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

jonsimon wrote:


Its a possibility. Our military is stretched thin, occupying a hundred different countries at once. And their military is strong and home-grown. Plus three of our carrier groups are sitting ducks in the Arabian sea for no reason. It's certainly a possibility we could lose a war with Iran under our current conditions. Now, say, if we weren't occupying a large part of the world and were able to fight them in a sort of 1 v 1, they'd surrender or we'd crush them.
There is an EXTREMELY small chance that they would sink even one of our ships above the destroyer level, a carrier being sunk is out of the question.
There are three carrier groups in the Persian gulf. Iran controls the mountainous coast with two seperate lines of fire at the same point in the only channel leading out of the gulf. If Iran fortifies that position those carrier groups are sunk or stranded. Might is nothing in the face of a tactical advantage.

Edit: Yeah, I totally called the Persian gulf the Arabian sea, oops.
Even with the missile batteries and airfields on both sides of them they will not get through and be able to hit a ship. Even if they sink a ship it is extremely unlikely that they will sink it.
Commie Killer
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Fancy_Pollux wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:


There is an EXTREMLY small chance that they would sink even one of our ships above the destroyer level, a carrier being sunk is out of the question.
There are three carrier groups in the Persian gulf. Iran controls the mountainous coast with two seperate lines of fire at the same point in the only channel leading out of the gulf. If Iran fortifies that position those carrier groups are sunk or stranded. Might is nothing in the face of a tactical advantage.

Edit: Yeah, I totally called the Persian gulf the Arabian sea, oops.
Good thing you caught onto this. If only we had military strategists like jonsimon in the navy to warn our carrier groups...



However, this is my all-time favorite:

jonsimon wrote:

You, sir, are fucking dumb.

Tax cuts lead to decreases in tax revenues. Shut the fuck up, don't even try to argue that point, it is a fact.
jonsimon should be on an episode of Bill Cosby's Kids Say the Darndest Things.
QFT
jonsimon
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Commie Killer wrote:

Even with the missile batteries and airfields on both sides of them they will not get through and be able to hit a ship. Even if they sink a ship it is extremely unlikely that they will sink it.
I think you mean if they hit a ship. Then they're stranded. If your argument is that a carrier group can move through a heavily fortified straight of hormuz without a scratch we'll just have to agree to disagree.
mcminty
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Fancy, watch what you are saying. Actually, this goes for everyone - no personal attacks.
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
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mcminty wrote:

Fancy, watch what you are saying. Actually, this goes for everyone - no personal attacks.
I was merely quoting a personal attack that jonsimon made, not making one of my own.
Commie Killer
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jonsimon wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

Even with the missile batteries and airfields on both sides of them they will not get through and be able to hit a ship. Even if they sink a ship it is extremely unlikely that they will sink it.
I think you mean if they hit a ship. Then they're stranded. If your argument is that a carrier group can move through a heavily fortified straight of hormuz without a scratch we'll just have to agree to disagree.
It would take a hit to the engine room, propeller, and/or rudder to strand a ship. And a carrier group is very well defending, though against the threat of a nuclear weapon it is just one big juicy target. Unless the Iranians use a nuclear weapon against the carrier battle group then I would be amazed if even a single ship gets hit. With the use of airplanes over head performing CAP and the ships with there radar on it would be very easy to either bomb all threats into submission and even if that fails then to shoot down all missiles fired at the ships.
kilgoretrout
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But what if China loans Iran a J-10?  Maybe they won't be able to sink the carrier, but they'll just rape the deck over and over...  Then we'll be fucked...
Commie Killer
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kilgoretrout wrote:

But what if China loans Iran a J-10?  Maybe they won't be able to sink the carrier, but they'll just rape the deck over and over...  Then we'll be fucked...
Lol, oh, just a random fact, but the J10 is worse then a F16 at a fighter role and MUCH worse at a ground attack role.

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