Libya sentences medics to death

2006-12-19 04:11:26

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sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7181|Argentina

A Libyan court has sentenced five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor to death for knowingly infecting hundreds of Libyan children with HIV.

The medics have been in detention since 1999, during which time 52 of the 426 infected children have died of Aids.

Scientists have cast doubt on charges that five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor deliberately infected Libyan children with HIV.

In a statment, researchers Dr Tulio de Oliveira and Dr Oliver Pybus, from Oxford University, said: "All the lines of scientific evidence point in the same direction, towards a long standing infection control problem at the hospital, dating back to the mid 1990s or earlier."

Is this sentence right?

2006-12-19 04:13:50

#2

psH: Banned; +217|6808|Sydney

Why would you give kids a disease? thats like me going and coughing on the kindergarteners<<LOL while i have cancer or something.

Is cancer even contageous?

2006-12-19 04:16:57

#3

xtrem3_4c3: Australian Field Operative; +29|6913|Australia. Land of ZeR0 pr0N

Those bastards.Those kids have it hard enough with stiffling conditions. I think that sentence is perfect.

2006-12-19 04:28:52

#4

aardfrith: Δ > x > ¥; +145|7216

sergeriver wrote:
A Libyan court has sentenced five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor to death for knowingly infecting hundreds of Libyan children with HIV.

The medics have been in detention since 1999, during which time 52 of the 426 infected children have died of Aids.

Scientists have cast doubt on charges that five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor deliberately infected Libyan children with HIV.

In a statment, researchers Dr Tulio de Oliveira and Dr Oliver Pybus, from Oxford University, said: "All the lines of scientific evidence point in the same direction, towards a long standing infection control problem at the hospital, dating back to the mid 1990s or earlier."

Is this sentence right?

If the crime has truly been committed and the sentence is in accordance with Libyan law, then yes.

If the evidence is based on statements made after torture, well that's fair by American standards, isn't it?

2006-12-19 04:33:09

#5

<BoTM>J_Aero: Qualified Expert; +62|6889|Melbourne - Home of Football

Doms wrote:
Why would you give kids a disease? thats like me going and coughing on the kindergarteners<<LOL while i have cancer or something.

Is cancer even contageous?

No, cancer of no kind is "contagious".

2006-12-19 04:37:31

#6

IG-Calibre: comhalta; +226|7166|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

You think that's bad? I was listening to a programme on the radio the other night about tens of thousands of Romanian children that were given a mild does of HIV to inoculate them against the disease, and then also used HIV infected blood for transfusions, un-fucking-believable..

2006-12-19 04:42:25

#7

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7181|Argentina

IG-Calibre wrote:
You think that's bad? I was listening to a programme on the radio the other night about tens of thousands of Romanian children that were given a mild does of HIV to inoculate them against the disease, and then also used HIV infected blood for transfusions, un-fucking-believable..

I think those doctors you are talking about deserve to be shot in their heads, if they have to do with the inoculation. It doesn't matter if they did it with intention or if it was negligence. There's no excuse for a doctor to commit such a mistake or killing, whatever was the case. In this Lybia case, I don't know what really happened, but it seems the hospital wasn't the cleanest place on heaven.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-12-19 05:46:52)

2006-12-19 04:43:12

#8

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6985

Doms wrote:
Is cancer even contageous?

And now, from the state that brought us "Cronulla", another blockbuster performance!

xtrem3_4c3 wrote:
Those bastards.Those kids have it hard enough with stiffling conditions. I think that sentence is perfect.

Seriously, have we suddenly shifted to Junk Drawer or are people just making the transition because Fancy has?

2006-12-19 04:54:26

#9

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,072|7196|PNW

xtrem3_4c3 wrote:
Those bastards.Those kids have it hard enough with stiffling conditions. I think that sentence is perfect.

If they did it.

2006-12-19 04:56:08

#10

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7181|Argentina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
xtrem3_4c3 wrote:
Those bastards.Those kids have it hard enough with stiffling conditions. I think that sentence is perfect.
If they did it.

The fact is, it doesn't matter if it's negligence, it cost the life to a lot of children.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-12-19 05:13:06)

2006-12-19 04:58:09

#11

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6985

And through government negligence in corporate policing, how many people have died from cigarettes.

2006-12-19 05:01:09

#12

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7181|Argentina

Bubbalo wrote:
And through government negligence in corporate policing, how many people have died from cigarettes.

I don't support smoking, so I agree with you that corporate greed and government negligence are killing a lot of people with cigarettes.

2006-12-19 05:03:40

#13

GorillaTicTacs: Member; +231|6797|Kyiv, Ukraine

All evidence points to (most of) the children being HIV positive before the arrival of the aid workers in 1999. All scientific evidence presented at the trial pointed to this fact. Emotional testimony from religious figures is what persuaded the judge to instead sentence these aid workers to death, the arguement being that "AIDS, a disease which effects homosexuals and drug users, could not possibly have existed here before these dirty foriegners came here."

Fundies the world over are cheering right now. Think something like this couldn't happen in the US? Think again.

2006-12-19 05:07:13

#14

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,072|7196|PNW

sergeriver wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
xtrem3_4c3 wrote:
Those bastards.Those kids have it hard enough with stiffling conditions. I think that sentence is perfect.
If they did it.
The fact is, it doesn't matter if it's negligence, it costed the life to a lot of children.

knowingly
infecting

...if they did it.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-12-19 05:07:37)

2006-12-19 05:12:34

#15

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7181|Argentina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:

If they did it.
The fact is, it doesn't matter if it's negligence, it cost the life to a lot of children.
knowingly
infecting

...if they did it.

They could only be considered innocent if the infection would have happened before they arrived.

2006-12-19 05:14:42

#16

Bernadictus: Moderator; +1,055|7161

xtrem3_4c3 wrote:
Those bastards.Those kids have it hard enough with stiffling conditions. I think that sentence is perfect.

I think you need to realize that you swear to save human lives as a medic.

The hospital is the one to blame, only now they can put it on foreigners instead of their own government.

The defendants say they are being made scapegoats for unhygienic hospitals.

QFT!

"For the second time, justice has spoken out with a ruling against those criminals and the punishment they deserve, because they violated their obligations and sold their consciences to the devil," Abdullah Maghrebi, the father of one infected child, told the BBC.

Instead of blaming their failing hospital system. These people are completely brainwashed, and have now idea what is really going on. Retarded Muslim states.

If they sentence them to death again, I would not be against military intervention.

Q: How have the accused pleaded?

They have been protesting their innocence and have retracted confessions they say they made under torture. A group of police officers involved in the alleged cases of torture were acquitted in a separate trial.

And then you can conclude that their justice system IS RETARDED.

2006-12-19 05:25:27

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unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,072|7196|PNW

sergeriver wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:

The fact is, it doesn't matter if it's negligence, it cost the life to a lot of children.
knowingly
infecting

...if they did it.
They could only be considered innocent if the infection would have happened before they arrived.

"Writing in Nature, they said their work showed the HIV subtype involved began infecting patients in Libya well before the medical workers arrived in 1998."

2006-12-19 05:42:15

#18

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,072|7196|PNW

Time to call in Team America to bail 'em out.

2006-12-19 05:44:24

#19

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7181|Argentina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
knowingly
infecting

...if they did it.
They could only be considered innocent if the infection would have happened before they arrived.
"Writing in Nature, they said their work showed the HIV subtype involved began infecting patients in Libya well before the medical workers arrived in 1998."

That's why I asked in the OP if this sentence's right. I really don't know what happened there.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-12-19 05:50:18)

2006-12-19 05:49:05

#20

EVieira: Member; +105|6902|Lutenblaag, Molvania

Bubbalo wrote:
And through government negligence in corporate policing, how many people have died from cigarettes.

Comparing adults who choose to smoke with sick children in a hospital. Yeah, thats a great comparison...

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

2006-12-19 05:56:23

#21

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7181|Argentina

EVieira wrote:
Bubbalo wrote:
And through government negligence in corporate policing, how many people have died from cigarettes.
Comparing adults who choose to smoke with sick children in a hospital. Yeah, thats a great comparison...

I think we all feel sorry for those kids. The problem here is making justice, not killing innocent people to cover a shitty hospital. If there's a scientific proof that the infection started before the medics arrived, then they are innocent. If they can't prove that, even if they acted with negligence, they're guilty. Being Lybia the place where this happened, I would bet they are innocent.

2006-12-19 05:57:48

#22

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,072|7196|PNW

EVieira wrote:
Bubbalo wrote:
And through government negligence in corporate policing, how many people have died from cigarettes.
Comparing adults who choose to smoke with sick children in a hospital. Yeah, thats a great comparison...

Yeah. And how many children have eventually died from symptoms brought on by second-hand smoke?

2006-12-19 06:00:25

#23

EVieira: Member; +105|6902|Lutenblaag, Molvania

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
EVieira wrote:
Bubbalo wrote:
And through government negligence in corporate policing, how many people have died from cigarettes.
Comparing adults who choose to smoke with sick children in a hospital. Yeah, thats a great comparison...
Yeah. And how many children have eventually died from symptoms brought on by second-hand smoke?

Oh, FFS... Now people are comparing second-hand smoking to AIDS...

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

2006-12-19 06:17:37

#24

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,072|7196|PNW

EVieira wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
EVieira wrote:
Comparing adults who choose to smoke with sick children in a hospital. Yeah, thats a great comparison...
Yeah. And how many children have eventually died from symptoms brought on by second-hand smoke?
Oh, FFS... Now people are comparing second-hand smoking to AIDS...

FFS, dead's dead.

2006-12-19 07:17:16

#25

GorillaTicTacs: Member; +231|6797|Kyiv, Ukraine

I think we all feel sorry for those kids. The problem here is making justice, not killing innocent people to cover a shitty hospital. If there's a scientific proof that the infection started before the medics arrived, then they are innocent. If they can't prove that, even if they acted with negligence, they're guilty. Being Lybia the place where this happened, I would bet they are innocent.

Actually, you are innocent UNTIL you are proven guilty via evidence. Though in Libya it may be acceptable to put the burden of proof on the defendant, here in the USA it is the American thing, though lately with the "Military Commissions Act" and the PATRIOT Act, this rule and public dialogue has been shifted away from that core principle. I caught more than a few times on these boards where people say its "ok to torture so you can prove someone is a terrorist or not" and "suspects get the punishment that is coming to them", and even that someone "must prove they aren't guilty" (like in this case). Frankly this scares the hell out of me that anyone that took even the barest course in American civics or history of the US Constitution could even consider such a thing as right, and that people would agree with leaders that advocate such a completely un-American stance. Ideas like this (apologies to the poster if the shoe doesn't fit and it was a mis-type) rip out the very heart of why the US was once a great nation and what differentiated us for so long from any two-bit empire to come down the historical turnpike. Unfortunately it is what happens when anger, fear, and passion override common sense and logic and the events in Libya should be a stark warning to any other nation that condones this path.

Yes, it is a massive miscarriage of justice and strikes at those that would want to do some good in this world. This should be headline news and the subject of US intervention, but unfortunately we no longer have any moral high ground from which to speak from nor the diplomatic ability to resolve this conflict in any other way than armed intervention (which would be innapropriate). Our dear leadership has assured that.

Last edited by GorillaTicTacs (2006-12-19 07:19:39)

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