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The liberals are going to insist on illegals having DL's and the right to vote....anyone wanna guess why???

stryyker wrote:

If you live in the Western states, where illegal immigration is an issue, do you believe that they should be allowed to get a license?

Hell no, I believe you should of shot the guy and said a took his money to pay for your car and throw his in some quarry. But seriously, no, I think that shit head should of had to pay for both of yours repairs, if you dont have insurance, that means you automaticly pay for complete repairs for both cars out of your pocket if the accident is more then 50% your fault. In essence the guy without insurance pays for both if its his/her fault.

lowing wrote:

The liberals are going to insist on illegals having DL's and the right to vote....anyone wanna guess why???

Because making them citizens is a good thing?

THIS is a no brainer considering the 9/11 fuck nutz ALL had multiple US  licenses from different states.  It's how they got access to go to school and learn how to fly planes.

jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:

The liberals are going to insist on illegals having DL's and the right to vote....anyone wanna guess why???

Because making them citizens is a good thing?

you really beleive that don't ya??

i still wanna know since when were illegals ever allowed drivers licenses. or do you rather mean immigrants shouldnt hold licenses?

You have a shitty insurance policy.
Your lawyer is an idiot.

if you went on to pay then it was your fault, doesnt matter they have or not a license.

-Gunsmoke- wrote:

If the Mexican driver was an illegal immigrant, he shouldn't even be here, as you already said.  So, illegal immigrants should not have a drivers license.  If you are a legal immigrant to the US, then you should be allowed to get a license.

edit: goddamn BB code..

I agree.  If you're here illegally, you should have your vehicle impounded and have your ass dropped off in the middle of the Mexican desert (and far from the border).

FrowG wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:

you really beleive that don't ya??

It eliminates the problem, increases tax revenues, increases the workforce, boosts aggregate demand, boosts aggregate supply, and dramatically increases potential real GDP (long-term economic performance). Yes, I do. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either short-sighted or dumb.

Should illegal immigrants have the right to any public benefits?

  NO. They are here illegally. They have broken the law and should be deported.

As a American I do not blame them for coming here.

I blame Our United States Government for not having the balls to uphold the law.
I blame liberal and conservative Americans for not voting into office the proper Representatives  that would do their best to uphold our laws.

You people get upset with immigrants, when you should really be voicing yourselves to your government. How many of you ppl in here don't even vote? If you are one of these and are eligible to vote then you are the IDIOT. We have hundreds of thousand of ppl in the  world that would die for the opportunity.

You ppl use statistics and percentages as if you had a clue as to what you are talking about.
When you say that 80% of all court cases were Hispanic/Latin, Do you think this has ANY thing to do with the fact you live or are in a area/city/state that is 90% Hispanic?

If I were in New Orleans I am sure their would be a 80% Black case log.

This issue will continue for the rest of our lives. Although there has been some recent reports of of Immigration officials raiding Meat Packing plants in the mid west.

We will see how gung ho everyone will be when we start paying through the nose for a burger.

In a way, jonsimon is right.

On the one hand, if we could just grant all Mexicans that wanted to become American citizens that citizenship, then we would see a major increase in tax revenue and probably productivity.

On the other hand, there are a lot of transaction costs.  A sudden major increase in naturalized citizens would put a high burden on many border communities with respect to infrastructure.  There would be concerns of language (many if not most would not be fluent in English), crime (because a significant portion of people that are illegals are thieving bastards and sex offenders -- citizenship wouldn't change that about some people), and birth rates (because their general poverty and Catholic culture lead to large families that would absorb a lot of social services in the long run).

It's a hard call to make, but I personally prefer the guest worker idea.  It seems to be a good compromise, and it's one of the few things that Bush has done that I agree with.  Immigration seems to be one of the few issues he has a decent grasp on.  I'd guess this is a result of once being the governor of Texas.

People don't get it.

Illegal aliens get jobs with bogus papers and SS #'s.
They have taxes withheld just like everybody else ( the cash worker day labors are a tiny fraction of the illegal workforce ), but because they have a bogus #, they don't get tax returns. Hell, most of them don't even file. The government knows who they are and where they are working, they just let it happen.
The golden Gate Fenco company pissed off a politician, or doesn't do the kickback system, or did not make a campaign contribution so they are getting ass raped by the Feds.

It's just like the Feds to not enforce the border, yet selectively pick and choose companies to ruin with cosmetic enforcement gestures.

I smell a revolution cooking.

Easy now.

ATG wrote:

People don't get it.

Illegal aliens get jobs with bogus papers and SS #'s.
They have taxes withheld just like everybody else ( the cash worker day labors are a tiny fraction of the illegal workforce ), but because they have a bogus #, they don't get tax returns. Hell, most of them don't even file. The government knows who they are and where they are working, they just let it happen.
The golden Gate Fenco company pissed off a politician, or doesn't do the kickback system, or did not make a campaign contribution so they are getting ass raped by the Feds.

It's just like the Feds to not enforce the border, yet selectively pick and choose companies to ruin with cosmetic enforcement gestures.

I smell a revolution cooking.

Well, I find the idea of a revolution laughable as long as so many business owners (small and big) exploit illegal labor.  They know what's going on, but they'll hire the cheapest people possible, and really, isn't that the goal of business in the first place?  Maximize profit, minimize costs.

The government doesn't really care, because these business owners are a big voting bloc.  They'll penalize the illegals left and right, but no one has really seriously discussed penalizing the business owners.  The government only penalizes big businesses that are being too blatant about their illegal hiring practices.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I can't take the "build a wall" crowd seriously, because these same people are often the ones that hire illegals.  In addition to this, as Carlos Mencia once put it, "Who's going to build the wall?" -- Mexicans...  lol

It would seem that the issue was a lot easier to handle when Mexicans could get seasonal jobs here, make some money, and then go back home in the off-season.  When our border was less dangerous to cross, they could better their families and only spent half of their time here.  As a result, there was less of a problem with them burdening our infrastructure.

The main groups that bother me coming from Mexico are MS-13 and the various drug cartels.  If we spent less time cracking down on the average illegal laborer and more time on the drug dealers and MS-13, we could solve half of the problem right there.

Building a wall will just cost too much (and they'll just dig under it).  The guest worker idea is what I prefer because it gives the Mexicans less incentive to illegally enter, and with them on the books, they won't resort to using other people's SS#'s as much.

Granted, the ones who actually do commit identity theft should....  disappear, if you know what I mean.

Turquoise wrote:

ATG wrote:

People don't get it.

Illegal aliens get jobs with bogus papers and SS #'s.
They have taxes withheld just like everybody else ( the cash worker day labors are a tiny fraction of the illegal workforce ), but because they have a bogus #, they don't get tax returns. Hell, most of them don't even file. The government knows who they are and where they are working, they just let it happen.
The golden Gate Fenco company pissed off a politician, or doesn't do the kickback system, or did not make a campaign contribution so they are getting ass raped by the Feds.

It's just like the Feds to not enforce the border, yet selectively pick and choose companies to ruin with cosmetic enforcement gestures.

I smell a revolution cooking.

Well, I find the idea of a revolution laughable as long as so many business owners (small and big) exploit illegal labor.  They know what's going on, but they'll hire the cheapest people possible, and really, isn't that the goal of business in the first place?  Maximize profit, minimize costs.

The government doesn't really care, because these business owners are a big voting bloc.  They'll penalize the illegals left and right, but no one has really seriously discussed penalizing the business owners.  The government only penalizes big businesses that are being too blatant about their illegal hiring practices.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I can't take the "build a wall" crowd seriously, because these same people are often the ones that hire illegals.  In addition to this, as Carlos Mencia once put it, "Who's going to build the wall?" -- Mexicans...  lol

It would seem that the issue was a lot easier to handle when Mexicans could get seasonal jobs here, make some money, and then go back home in the off-season.  When our border was less dangerous to cross, they could better their families and only spent half of their time here.  As a result, there was less of a problem with them burdening our infrastructure.

The main groups that bother me coming from Mexico are MS-13 and the various drug cartels.  If we spent less time cracking down on the average illegal laborer and more time on the drug dealers and MS-13, we could solve half of the problem right there.

Building a wall will just cost too much (and they'll just dig under it).  The guest worker idea is what I prefer because it gives the Mexicans less incentive to illegally enter, and with them on the books, they won't resort to using other people's SS#'s as much.

Granted, the ones who actually do commit identity theft should....  disappear, if you know what I mean.

Thats how it seems to the nonemployer. I can produce payroll records. My wets make bank. $700-1200 per week.
Its not being corrected because of the reasons I outlined above.