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Dilbert_X
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rdx-fx wrote:

A-10 pilots are a different kind of pilot.
They really care about the guys on the ground.
Which, considering the ordnance they have on tap, is a very good thing.
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FatherTed wrote:

PrivateVendetta wrote:

Spitfire is sooo cooooool. That's why it won.
Designed by a Stokie that's why it won.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

A-10 pilots are a different kind of pilot.
They really care about the guys on the ground.
Which, considering the ordnance they have on tap, is a very good thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I6-2NJh … re=related
This proves that A-10 pilots don't care about guys on the ground.

Trigger happy murderers. Don't forget American.
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1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

This proves that A-10 pilots don't care about guys on the ground.
Trigger happy murderers. Don't forget American.
Last half of that video, they were having such a good time, too.

Trollbert, back to his usual schtick...
Trotskygrad
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Cybargs wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

The ME262 owned everything.

Motherfucking Jet, yo.

It was so good in air-to-air combat that the allies decided their best strategy was to attack them on the runway during takeoff and landing.
P51 pilots were like wtf its so fast.

Me262 pilots were like TROLOLOOLOLOL 30MM CANNON DOUBLE TAP HERE WE GOOOOOO

And B17s were like fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu were dying now
thing is was too fast to use it's 30mm effectively, rocket packs were required for maximum effectiveness
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Trotskygrad wrote:

[...] allies decided their best strategy was to attack them on the runway during takeoff and landing.
Something like a 30 hour operational time on the engines.
Every 30 hours of flight time, had to replace the turbine cores.

Best strategy was to attack them on the runway, as that's where they spent 99.9% of their time.


Had fun with the Me-262 in the combatsim IL-2.
Actually, most of the fun was at the expense of my wingmen.
"ease the throttle forward slowly, otherwise it gets unhappy"
"yeah, I know..."
Boom, bright flash under their right wing.  Smoketrails from the burning engine.
"slower than that.  And.  You're on fire"
"@#% @#$^&#$$% !@#% !$%"
"yeah, now, can you, like.. taxi off the runway before you detonate, please"

Me-163 rocketplane, with unlimited fuel turned on.
Now that was an absolute blast to fly in IL-2.
Tons of power, 2x30mm autocannons, and it's a teeny tiny target.
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rdx-fx wrote:

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

This proves that A-10 pilots don't care about guys on the ground.
Trigger happy murderers. Don't forget American.
Last half of that video, they were having such a good time, too.
They went from being reckless and trigger-happy to feeling sorry for themselves and blubbing like babies - neither gives the impression of ice-cold hyper-efficient badasses, sorry.
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Cybargs wrote:

And B17s were like fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu were dying now
B17's were like "200 holes in our airframe? Is that all?"
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SecondWorldWar.org.uk wrote:

A mid-air collision on  1FEB1943  between a B-17 and a German fighter over the Tunis dock area became the subject of some of the most famous photographs of World War II.

An enemy fighter attacking a 97th Bomb Group formation went out of control, probably with a wounded pilot, then continued its crashing descent into the rear of the fuselage of a Fortress named All American, piloted by Lt. Kendrick R. Bragg, of the 414th Bomb Squadron.

When it struck, the fighter broke apart, but left some pieces in the B-17.  The left horizontal stabilizer and elevator of the Fortress were completely torn away.

The two right engines were out and one on the left had a serious oil pump leak.  The vertical fin and the rudder had been damaged, the fuselage had been cut almost completely through – connected only at two small parts of the frame and the radios, electrical and oxygen systems were damaged.   There was also a hole in the top that was over 16 feet long and 4 feet wide at its widest and the split in the fuselage went all the way to the top gunner’s turret.  Although the tail actually bounced and swayed in the wind and twisted when the plane turned and all the control cables were severed , except one single elevator cable still worked, and the aircraft still flew-miraculously!

The tail gunner was trapped because there was no floor connecting the tail to the rest of the plane.  The waist and tail gunners used parts of the German fighter and their own parachute harnesses in an attempt to keep the tail from ripping off and the two sides of the fuselage from splitting apart.   While the crew was trying to keep the bomber from coming apart, the pilot continued on his bomb run and released his bombs over the target.

When the bomb bay doors were opened, the wind turbulence was so great that it blew one of the waist gunners into the broken tail section.  It took several minutes and four crew members to pass him ropes from parachutes and haul him back into the forward part of the plane.  When they tried to do the same for the tail gunner, the tail began flapping so hard that it began to break off.  The weight of the gunner was adding some stability to the tail section, so he went back to his position.

The turn back toward Biskra, Algeria, had to be very slow to keep the tail from twisting off.  They actually covered almost 70 miles to make the turn home.  The bomber was so badly damaged that it was losing altitude and speed and was soon alone in the sky.

For a brief time, two more Me109 German fighters attacked the All American.  Despite the extensive damage, all of the machine gunners were able to respond to these attacks and soon drove off the fighters.  The two waist gunners stood up with their heads sticking out through the hole in the top of the fuselage to aim and fire their machine guns.  The tail gunner had to shoot in short bursts because the recoil was actually causing the plane to turn.

Allied P51 fighters intercepted the All American and took one of the pictures shown below.  They also radioed to the base describing the empennage was “waving like a fish tail” and that the plane would not make it and to send out boats to rescue the crew when they bailed out.  The fighters stayed with the Fortress taking hand signals from Lt. Bragg and relaying them to the base.  Lt. Bragg signalled that 5 parachutes and the spare had been "used" so five of the crew could not bail out.

He made the decision that if they could not bail out safely, then he would stay with the plane and land it.   Two and a half hours after being hit, the aircraft made its final turn to line up with the runway while it was still over 40 miles away.  It descended into an emergency landing and a normal roll-out on its landing gear.  When the ambulance pulled alongside, it was waved off because not a single member of the crew had been injured.

No one could believe that the aircraft could still fly in such a condition. The Fortress sat placidly until the crew all exited through the door in the fuselage and the tail gunner had climbed down a ladder, at which time the entire rear section of the aircraft collapsed onto the ground. The rugged old bird had done its job.
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While we're on cool stories:

Charlie Brown and Franz Stigler Incident


This article covers the 20 December 1943 incident between Charles Brown and his Allied aircrew and German fighter pilot Franz Stigler, whereby instead of shooting down Brown's crippled bomber, Stigler took a humanitarian stance and escorted the bomber to safety. The matter came to renewed light following media attention in the 1990s.

Charlie Brown was an American military pilot with United States Army Air Corps who was stationed in RAF Kimbolton, Great Britain and assigned to bomb targets in Nazi Germany. Franz Stigler was a veteran Luftwaffe fighter pilot with 28 kills.[1][2][3][4]

On December 20, 1943, Brown was ordered to fly his B-17 Flying Fortress to bomb an aircraft factory near Bremen. After dropping the bombs, Brown's plane was attacked by eight German planes and anti-aircraft fire from the ground.[2] His plane soon sustained heavy damage, and most of its crew members were wounded. Three of the plane's four engines were destroyed or damaged. Brown believed that his gunners destroyed two enemy planes, but after that he blacked out and remembered waking up as the plane was flying low over a German airfield.[2][1]

Brown's crippled plane was spotted by Germans on the ground, including Franz Stigler, who was refueling and rearming at the airfield. In his Messerschmitt ME-109, he soon was able to reach Brown's plane. Stigler got so close that he was able to observe not only the crippled plane, but also, through the holes in the plane's side, crew members trying to help their wounded.[4] To the American crew's surprise, Stigler refused to fire on the plane. He remembered the words of one of his commanders, who said when at war in Northern Africa: "You are fighter pilots first, last, always. If I ever hear of any of you shooting at someone in a parachute, I'll shoot you myself." Stigler said, "To me, it was just like they were in a parachute. I saw them and I couldn't shoot them down."[4] Twice, Stigler tried to get Brown to land his plane at a German base and surrender, but Brown refused because his wounded comrades were in urgent need of medical assistance.[5] Stigler then flew near Brown's plane, escorting it until they reached the North Sea and departing with a salute.[4]

Brown safely landed his plane in England, and at after-flight debriefing, told about the German pilot who let him go, but was told to forget about it. "Someone decided you can't be human and be flying in a German cockpit," he commented.[4] Stigler said nothing to his officers.[4]

After the war, Stigler moved to Vancouver, British Columbia. After Brown retired and moved to Miami, Florida, he attempted to find the German pilot who saved his life and the lives of his crew members.[6] Brown eventually published a letter about the account in a German veterans' magazine. Stigler saw the letter and began corresponding with Brown. They met in 1990 and later made television appearances together.[1]

Both Brown and Stigler died in 2008.[1][5]
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Fun comparison;

A single A-10 carries up to 18,000 lbs of ordnance on a CAS (Close Air Support) mission loadout.
25,000 lbs if on a direct strike mission.

A B-17 typically carried 4,500 lbs of bombs.

So, one A-10 on CAS duty is as much firepower as 4 B-17's, before even taking into account the 30mm autocannon in the nose.
-Sh1fty-
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Here's another interesting comparison in size. The B17 looks tiny!

https://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/aircraft-pictures/2008/06/19/B52B17large.jpg

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/149/359653965_bcf0248911_z.jpg
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That's because it is? B52's aren't even THAT big
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Use an umbrella
-Sh1fty-
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PrivateVendetta wrote:

That's because it is? B52's aren't even THAT big
I just never really noticed how tiny a B17 was. They were the biggest bombers over Europe if I recall correctly. Seeing them in Memphis Belle they seemed pretty big, what with guy roaming around inside them and everything. Here they seem so pathetically small.
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Closest comparison would be between an AC-130 and B-17G

(AC130U - B-17G)
Length: 97'9" - 74'4"
Wingspan: 132'7" - 103'9"
Speed: 260kt - 250kt
Range: 2200nm - 1740nm
Weight: 122,000lbs - 54,000lbs
Power: 4x4910shp - 4x1200shp
Crew: 13 - 10
Payload: 45,000lbs - 4,500lbs

(Payload for C-130 based on cargo variant normal load.  No idea how much ammo the AC-130 actually carries)
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FatherTed wrote:

you need your own version of france for when you get bored
Mexico.

(I hope not)
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FatherTed
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-Sh1fty- wrote:

PrivateVendetta wrote:

That's because it is? B52's aren't even THAT big
I just never really noticed how tiny a B17 was. They were the biggest bombers over Europe if I recall correctly. Seeing them in Memphis Belle they seemed pretty big, what with guy roaming around inside them and everything. Here they seem so pathetically small.
lancasters were slightly shorter, heavier, had more range, carried more and cruised faster

but sorry fuck yeah b17s!!!
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for bonus points, the majority of them test-flew from an airbase a few miles away. along with the vulcans and nimrod
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FatherTed wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

PrivateVendetta wrote:

That's because it is? B52's aren't even THAT big
I just never really noticed how tiny a B17 was. They were the biggest bombers over Europe if I recall correctly. Seeing them in Memphis Belle they seemed pretty big, what with guy roaming around inside them and everything. Here they seem so pathetically small.
lancasters were slightly shorter, heavier, had more range, carried more and cruised faster

but sorry fuck yeah b17s!!!
I like b29's better.
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