Is religion such a bad thing?

2006-12-09 11:47:01

#1

EVieira: Member; +105|6752|Lutenblaag, Molvania

Many many terrible things have been done in the name of god or a religion. But is that really the fault of the religion, or of the men who interpret it? Below are the ten commandments, with a little interpretation. If we lived more by them, wouldn't the world be a better place?

PS: I am NOT Catholic, the commandments are an example

1. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me. Thou shalt not make to thyself any
graven thing. (Worship only him, well if you believe than I think this one inst a problem)

2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. (Same as the first)

3. Remember that thou keep holy the Lord's day. (Idem)

4. Honor thy father and thy mother. (Honor you ancestors. Totally abide by that one)

5. Thou shalt not kill. (No more wars?)

6. Thou shalt not commit adultery. (Adultery is not what you are thinking, its more than that...)

7. Thou shalt not steal. (Pretty straight to the point here)

8. Thou shalt not bear false witness. (No lies, no false hopes, just the truth. Wouldn't that be good?)

9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife. (It's not necessarily your neighbor, its the companion of anyone else. Troy would still be standing if people followed this one)

10.Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods. (I another words, don't envy others. God I hate envious people... )

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

2006-12-09 11:48:20

#2

DUnlimited: got any popo lolo intersting?; +1,160|6737|cuntshitlake

yea but the bible gives permission to "holy war"...

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2006-12-09 11:52:05

#3

EVieira: Member; +105|6752|Lutenblaag, Molvania

DeathUnlimited wrote:
yea but the bible gives permission to "holy war"...

Its pretty clear to me where it says Don't Kill. I don't see any exceptions there.

Last edited by EVieira (2006-12-09 11:52:28)

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

2006-12-09 11:53:49

#4

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7031|Argentina

Religion is "do what I say, but not what I do".

2006-12-09 11:55:44

#5

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6719|The Land of Scott Walker

DeathUnlimited wrote:
yea but the bible gives permission to "holy war"...

Please give chapter and verse.

2006-12-09 11:58:10

#6

Naughty_Om: Im Ron Burgundy?; +355|6907|USA

Hey, the Quran says dont kill. Doesnt stop them from Jihading. I am anti-modernized religion (Islam, Judaism, Christianity) I am sick of their deviations from their bases, integration into politics and general irrationalism. I am not an aethiest. I beleive in god, my own god. I practice religion in the sense that i ahve faith there is something "more" out there. It may not be categorized becuase it is personal.

2006-12-09 11:58:15

#7

DUnlimited: got any popo lolo intersting?; +1,160|6737|cuntshitlake

Stingray24 wrote:
DeathUnlimited wrote:
yea but the bible gives permission to "holy war"...
Please give chapter and verse.

Well my bible is finnish but they fight "holy fights" and kill people (which is strongly forbidden..) in the books of moses...

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2006-12-09 11:58:35

#8

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6719|The Land of Scott Walker

EVieira wrote:
. . . Below are the ten commandments, with a little interpretation. If we lived more by them, wouldn't the world be a better place?

Yes, it would be. However we human are selfish little wankers and we don't always follow the teaching of our religion as we should.

sergeriver wrote:
Religion is "do what I say, but not what I do".

That's generalization at it's finest.

2006-12-09 11:59:30

#9

EVieira: Member; +105|6752|Lutenblaag, Molvania

sergeriver wrote:
Religion is "do what I say, but not what I do".

No, that's the church. Specially the catholic, given the events in the recent past. I'm talking about religion per se, in this example the 10 comandments.

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

2006-12-09 12:00:17

#10

Naughty_Om: Im Ron Burgundy?; +355|6907|USA

Actually, these are the best Commandments.

[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6857621010291859263&q=Moses+griffin[/google]
My fav is #1

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2006-12-09 12:01:55

#11

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7031|Argentina

Stingray24 wrote:
DeathUnlimited wrote:
yea but the bible gives permission to "holy war"...
Please give chapter and verse.

They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it-men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys (Jos.6:21)

2006-12-09 12:03:05

#12

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7031|Argentina

EVieira wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
Religion is "do what I say, but not what I do".
No, that's the church. Specially the catholic, given the events in the recent past. I'm talking about religion per se, in this example the 10 comandments.

Well, those are pretty fine, if someone in the Organized Religion would follow them.

2006-12-09 12:06:07

#13

EVieira: Member; +105|6752|Lutenblaag, Molvania

Naughty_Om wrote:
Actually, these are the best Commandments.

[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6857621010291859263&q=Moses+griffin[/google]
My fav is #1

Hehehe, good one . I'd karma you, but I already have in your previous post

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

2006-12-09 12:06:36

#14

Naughty_Om: Im Ron Burgundy?; +355|6907|USA

another thing, Why does someone have to belong to a religion in order to be FORCED to follow the right path? Personally, i think that the ten commandments are bullshit, becuase they are religious. if someone, for any other reason than religion, per say Governmental laws or some theory of the laws of man, then they would be valid. But because "god" made them means everyone should follow them? NO! values and morals and ethics should come from the hearts of man. Look at Thoreau, Hobbes, Voltaire, Aristotle. Not religous yet their "laws" and ideas are still around? People follow them. I am sick of "laws" that stem from religion. Let MAN make the morals.

Edit. If man makes the morals he has better reason to follow them.

edit again. Look at Kepler, He followed religion to the point where he had to decide between data and religion. He chose data and renounced his faith because he felt that religion had gone in the wrong direction.

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2006-12-09 12:14:01

#15

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6719|The Land of Scott Walker

DeathUnlimited wrote:
Stingray24 wrote:
DeathUnlimited wrote:
yea but the bible gives permission to "holy war"...
Please give chapter and verse.
Well my bible is finnish but they fight "holy fights" and kill people (which is strongly forbidden..) in the books of moses...

That era in history (Old Testament) was violent on all sides and they were not called "holy fights". They fought wars with another nations just like every other nation of that period of time. As a sidenote, the original Hebrew the word should be interpreted "murder", not kill. The New Testament, which contains the teachings of Jesus, is the main focus of Christianity and "holy wars" are never advocated. Rather, spreading the news that Jesus was the Messiah was to be done by word of mouth in a peaceful manner.

Naughty_Om:
What happens if someone's moral they've made for themselves hurt others and involve simply killing those they don't like? Who can say they are wrong? Should we respect their morals simply because they made them? That doesn't sound very prudent. There must be basic overriding priniciples that society follows in general that come from a higher source. You may call that God or government, whichever you choose. But everyone cannot simply live as they choose or we'd have chaos.

2006-12-09 12:14:36

#16

KylieTastic: Games, Girls, Guinness; +85|6726|Cambridge, UK

EVieira wrote:
5. Thou shalt not kill. (No more wars?)

What about 'Deuteronomy 7' http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se … version=9;

'Deuteronomy 7 wrote:
And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them

So not just kill, but go do some genocide, and remember to show no mercy!

And the rest in not exactly the sort of thing that goes with the normal religious 'we gave the world morals' or that religion teaches forgiveness etc....

2006-12-09 12:16:44

#17

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6829

I'd have four commandments:

1. Thou shalt not kill unless you are justified in doing so during wartime or in extreme situations where self defence reasonably calls for such an act.

2. Thou shalt not steal.

3. Treat others as you would wish yourself to be treated.

4. Give generously to those less fortunate than yourself.

2006-12-09 12:22:46

#18

KylieTastic: Games, Girls, Guinness; +85|6726|Cambridge, UK

CameronPoe wrote:
I'd have four commandments:

1. Thou shalt not kill unless you are justified in doing so during wartime or in extreme situations where self defence reasonably calls for such an act.

2. Thou shalt not steal.

3. Treat others as you would wish yourself to be treated.

4. Give generously to those less fortunate than yourself.

Aye - Totally agree

2006-12-09 12:35:51

#19

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6719|The Land of Scott Walker

KylieTastic wrote:
So not just kill, but go do some genocide, and remember to show no mercy!

And the rest in not exactly the sort of thing that goes with the normal religious 'we gave the world morals' or that religion teaches forgiveness etc....

If you want to cherry pick verses, go right ahead, but please attempt to give the context at least. You just agreed that killing is justified during wartime. I would not show mercy to the enemy on the battlefield that is trying to kill me. It's basic survival and simple reality in any war. Wars happen in every era in history and there are military actions in the Bible which were necessary to protect their nation.

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2006-12-09 12:39:39

#20

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6679|North Carolina

CameronPoe wrote:
I'd have four commandments:

1. Thou shalt not kill unless you are justified in doing so during wartime or in extreme situations where self defence reasonably calls for such an act.

2. Thou shalt not steal.

3. Treat others as you would wish yourself to be treated.

4. Give generously to those less fortunate than yourself.

Sounds good to me.

2006-12-09 12:42:10

#21

fadedsteve: GOP Sympathizer; +266|6765|Menlo Park, CA

Religion is the root cause of all conflicts domestic and abroad. . . .

It (religion) forms the foundations for which we stand on as individuals, and for what governments are based on. There are fundamental differences between all religions, therefore conflicts constantly arise. Religion also has its good points, and that I cannot dispute. . . .

However, when are we going to decide if religion(s) do more harm to human harmony than good?? Because as far as I can see, more deaths have occured throughout history as a conflict of religion than any human difference.

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2006-12-09 13:01:27

#22

EVieira: Member; +105|6752|Lutenblaag, Molvania

CameronPoe wrote:
I'd have four commandments:

1. Thou shalt not kill unless you are justified in doing so during wartime or in extreme situations where self defence reasonably calls for such an act.

Got a problem with that first one. The extremity of the situations is determined by yourself, so in reality you kill whenever you want. Its sound like the excuses Bush gave for the invasion of Iraq. Of course, I know you are quite diferent than Bush...

CameronPoe wrote:
2. Thou shalt not steal.

Interesting how in the first comandment about killing, you described a situation when it was ok to kill. But stealing is simply wrong. In other words, its ok to kill in some situations, but stealing in simply wrong.

In extreme situations, I would rather have to steal rather than kill.

CameronPoe wrote:
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3. Treat others as you would wish yourself to be treated.

4. Give generously to those less fortunate than yourself.

Amen to that!

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

2006-12-09 13:03:48

#23

EVieira: Member; +105|6752|Lutenblaag, Molvania

sergeriver wrote:
EVieira wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
Religion is "do what I say, but not what I do".
No, that's the church. Specially the catholic, given the events in the recent past. I'm talking about religion per se, in this example the 10 comandments.
Well, those are pretty fine, if someone in the Organized Religion would follow them.

Thats exactly my point. Its not the religion, but the ones who are supposed to follow them. Religion itself, in most cases, are good. If only people followed them as they should be followed...

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

2006-12-09 13:12:01

#24

mcgid1: Meh...; +129|6991|Austin, TX/San Antonio, TX

Religion as a concept and a belief is not such a bad thing. As the OP pointed out some of the most basic values in our everyday lives (for your average person at least). It is when religious belief is taken to it's extreme (i.e. the crusades, Osama bin Laden, etc.) that things begin to go wrong with religion. This is not true only of religion but also of almost any ideal or belief. For example: Nationalism (one of the root causes of both world wars), environmental extremeism (eco-terrorists), the list can go on and on.

2006-12-09 14:45:52

#25

fadedsteve: GOP Sympathizer; +266|6765|Menlo Park, CA

mcgid1 wrote:
Religion as a concept and a belief is not such a bad thing. As the OP pointed out some of the most basic values in our everyday lives (for your average person at least). It is when religious belief is taken to it's extreme (i.e. the crusades, Osama bin Laden, etc.) that things begin to go wrong with religion. This is not true only of religion but also of almost any ideal or belief. For example: Nationalism (one of the root causes of both world wars), environmental extremeism (eco-terrorists), the list can go on and on.

Yea but the values that shape anything are derived from some sort of religious doctrine. . . . Religion has viciously divided the human race, that fact is undeniable.

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