just because I don't believe in casting my pearls before swine doesn't mean I can't take the heat. Your misinterpretation of why I won't discuss this thread is the exact reason why I won't say more than that. I've been in far more enlightening and deeper discussions than what might come up here.Spark wrote:
Then fuck off. If you can't take the heat, then why the fuck did you enter the kitchen in the first place?jarhedch wrote:
no.
Then go to a Harvard message board if you want to act like an elitist douche bag.jarhedch wrote:
just because I don't believe in casting my pearls before swine doesn't mean I can't take the heat. Your misinterpretation of why I won't discuss this thread is the exact reason why I won't say more than that. I've been in far more enlightening and deeper discussions than what might come up here.Spark wrote:
Then fuck off. If you can't take the heat, then why the fuck did you enter the kitchen in the first place?jarhedch wrote:
no.
No shit.. +1usmarine2007 wrote:
Then go to a Harvard message board if you want to act like an elitist douche bag.jarhedch wrote:
just because I don't believe in casting my pearls before swine doesn't mean I can't take the heat. Your misinterpretation of why I won't discuss this thread is the exact reason why I won't say more than that. I've been in far more enlightening and deeper discussions than what might come up here.Spark wrote:
Then fuck off. If you can't take the heat, then why the fuck did you enter the kitchen in the first place?
edit:doh, You may not karma the same person in a 24 hour period.
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Xbone Stormsurgezz
I can 110% guarantee you that if you do end up in hell, you wont want to be there.sergeriver wrote:
If hell is what is waiting for me, I'm lined up and ready.
People are so ignorant right now, everyone needs 100% proof of something before they believe / worship it, theres a reason why they call it faith, life was made to always be looking for an answer but never finding it.
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
I have faith in Zeus. He's far better than your god.d4rkst4r wrote:
I can 110% guarantee you that if you do end up in hell, you wont want to be there.sergeriver wrote:
If hell is what is waiting for me, I'm lined up and ready.
People are so ignorant right now, everyone needs 100% proof of something before they believe / worship it, theres a reason why they call it faith, life was made to always be looking for an answer but never finding it.
PS You 110% guaranteed something that you have no concept of. Now there's faith for you.
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"Are you saying Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball?"CameronPoe wrote:
I have faith in Zeus. He's far better than your god.d4rkst4r wrote:
I can 110% guarantee you that if you do end up in hell, you wont want to be there.sergeriver wrote:
If hell is what is waiting for me, I'm lined up and ready.
People are so ignorant right now, everyone needs 100% proof of something before they believe / worship it, theres a reason why they call it faith, life was made to always be looking for an answer but never finding it.
More like a wastseoid 31 playing Spore 2222 in my opinion.BALTINS wrote:
God is a sadistic 9 year old asshole playing Sims 2142
Religion topics suck...
i fear God. not believing is foolish.
ghettoperson wrote:
Religion topics suck...
And that is another reason why I don't believe. God is made out to be this all enlightened being, full of graciousness and compassion, yet you fear him!? That is exactly where religion falls flat. Do it or else. Fear me, or else.CoronadoSEAL wrote:
i fear God. not believing is foolish.
Sorry, not this lad.
Back to the OP: Im atheist for mainly three reasons.
1. Religion is silly. To elaborate, it is wholly contradictory (religions of the book, at least). If there is a God, who is the perfect and supreme ruler of all, he will accept me into heaven no matter what I do, considering all my shortcomings are his fault.
2. I dont, and never will, need religion. It will never affect the decisions I make.
3. I find, given sufficient information, it is possible to explain the motivations of all characters and events related to religions without the supernatural. Take for example the ressurection of christ. Short answer: He never died. He was only on the cross for a span of hours, after which he was removed and taken to a cave to be cared for. After a few days, he was back on his feet. He was taken down at the instruction of a roman official, who was under pressure to do so by the mob of Christs followers. Furthermore, Christ had been drugged by his followers to alleviate the pain and was no longer concious, allowing his followers to forcibly convince the Romans he was dead, despite the fact that no one dies from a few hours on the cross.
1. Religion is silly. To elaborate, it is wholly contradictory (religions of the book, at least). If there is a God, who is the perfect and supreme ruler of all, he will accept me into heaven no matter what I do, considering all my shortcomings are his fault.
2. I dont, and never will, need religion. It will never affect the decisions I make.
3. I find, given sufficient information, it is possible to explain the motivations of all characters and events related to religions without the supernatural. Take for example the ressurection of christ. Short answer: He never died. He was only on the cross for a span of hours, after which he was removed and taken to a cave to be cared for. After a few days, he was back on his feet. He was taken down at the instruction of a roman official, who was under pressure to do so by the mob of Christs followers. Furthermore, Christ had been drugged by his followers to alleviate the pain and was no longer concious, allowing his followers to forcibly convince the Romans he was dead, despite the fact that no one dies from a few hours on the cross.
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Because some of us have thoughts.
sorry to disturb your thinking process but, zeus is fake. There is no zeus God. Only one God. Those Greek people thought lightning was zeus punishing them. Explain theory behind that, which you can't.
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
You've got it all wrong. Atheists are not Atheists because it's easier or more fun. Atheists are Atheists because they cannot believe in an all powerful being that there is no evidence for. If there was scientifically valid evidence for a god, of whatever form, I would certainly change my perspective.Why should anyone believe in a God when science has shown that many of the claims made by modern religions are nonsense. Since so much of religion has been disproven, why believe the other claims made in various religious texts?G3|Genius wrote:
in my opinion, people become atheists because they are lazy. it's harder to believe in God because with that territory comes the mandate to make the harder decision...to live not to do what feels good but what actually IS good.
it's hard to do that! and sometimes it can be crappy. I can understand why atheists are atheists. From their perspective, to live "religiously" will take the fun out of life.
The statement "to live 'religiously' will take the fun out of life" really shows your lack of understanding of Atheism. Atheists do not inherently have fewer morals and are often far more moral, upstanding citizens than those who embrace religion, of whatever sort. Religion and morals no longer have any tenable link.
From a logical perspective Atheism is the most sensible choice (though Agnosticism is another equally valid choice, as belief on some form of higher power is not as totally unbelievable as faith in an exact form of personalised deity with all the complex ethos these Gods are shrouded with). Religion is the other side of the same coin, not based on reason but on emotion. People want to believe their lives have meaning, which of course they don't (personally I think that believing so is quite arrogant), and that death is not the end, which of course it is.
Religion is not based on rationality but on deep rooted human emotion. Atheism is based on practical, logical reasoning. The world is becoming a more and more rational place, although it doesn't seem like it a lot of the time, so Atheism is becoming more widespread. Education is another important factor. There is an undeniable link between high levels of education and Atheism.
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the main reason the way i see it that people are atheists is that people have a hard time thinking that some being/power/entity has been here for infinity years ago and will always be here or that being/power/entity created itself and created other lifeforms. No one can comprehend the fact that someone/something has always been here. Our minds just can't think that way. So they decide to believe in the theory of the big bang and evolution which to me, makes more sense. I'm not going to bash anyone for believing in any religion. It's your choice and if people can't respect that, then they are the ones with the problem The way i see it, is that the people who can't accept others beliefs are the ones that cause problems.
Anyone who has taken even the most simple of philosophy classes will begin to understand why there is no god.
I'm not saying there isnt one, but the proof points to the evolution theory. And the Anti theodicist always loses.
Thats probably why 1. whatever billion people don't believe in a set god, because more people are becoming well educated, and thus challenge their beliefs. it's healthy and natural.
However, taking one sided views and not considering the other half is not Healthy, and often creates strife among peoples and denominations. Thats why there's war.
I personally do not like organized religion because it creates hatred among people and causes war, terror, and alot of other things. But there are good points to it as well.
>>>>> God fills the holes. <<<<<
Edit: And whoever said that not believing in a certain god makes them lazy.... Jesus Christ(LOLOLOLOL) you are ignorant and should be hit with a knowledge stick.
I'm not saying there isnt one, but the proof points to the evolution theory. And the Anti theodicist always loses.
Thats probably why 1. whatever billion people don't believe in a set god, because more people are becoming well educated, and thus challenge their beliefs. it's healthy and natural.
However, taking one sided views and not considering the other half is not Healthy, and often creates strife among peoples and denominations. Thats why there's war.
I personally do not like organized religion because it creates hatred among people and causes war, terror, and alot of other things. But there are good points to it as well.
>>>>> God fills the holes. <<<<<
Edit: And whoever said that not believing in a certain god makes them lazy.... Jesus Christ(LOLOLOLOL) you are ignorant and should be hit with a knowledge stick.
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QFTMafia47 wrote:
the main reason the way i see it that people are atheists is that people have a hard time thinking that some being/power/entity has been here for infinity years ago and will always be here or that being/power/entity created itself and created other lifeforms. No one can comprehend the fact that someone/something has always been here. Our minds just can't think that way. So they decide to believe in the theory of the big bang and evolution which to me, makes more sense. I'm not going to bash anyone for believing in any religion. It's your choice and if people can't respect that, then they are the ones with the problem The way i see it, is that the people who can't accept others beliefs are the ones that cause problems.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I have always said...
Religion takes all the 'Fun' out of life, and alot of our Freedoms.
Theres nothing wrong with beliving in something, its when you force it apon others that it becomes a problem.
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Megadeth - Holy Wars... The Punishment Due
Religion takes all the 'Fun' out of life, and alot of our Freedoms.
Theres nothing wrong with beliving in something, its when you force it apon others that it becomes a problem.
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Megadeth - Holy Wars... The Punishment Due
hey, its better to believe and be wrong, than to not believe and be wrong. Because if a religious person is wrong, nothing will happen, but if an athiest is wrong, then gods gonna be pissed.
That opinion, to me, is abhorrent. It smacks of self-centeredness. It implies (I'm not saying this is true for you), that you haven't thought about it, and you only believe it because its the 'best way out'. It's the easy route - and it beats actually believing in something that you actually think is true.Paco_the_Insane wrote:
hey, its better to believe and be wrong, than to not believe and be wrong. Because if a religious person is wrong, nothing will happen, but if an athiest is wrong, then gods gonna be pissed.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
After reading a sampling of the post here, i can pretty much say the reason im not 'religious' is because of most of the pro-religion freaks hear. Its a shame, like with any religion, the zealots and freaks speak loudest. Christian, Muslim, Anabaptist...all the same. And considering that so far in history its mainly been used as a tool to control the masses...i would rather be in the group of skeptics. Even though as a science freak i know there are questions that cant be answered by science. But they sure as hell cant be answered by Jerry Fallwell or Osama Bin Laden. (Yes i know falwell hasn't blown anything up. But the ignorance that comes outta his mouth is definitely a weapon of mass destruction.) Another poster said it well about not needing brick and mortar to worship what you believe. Much less the weirds that claim that they 'speak' to their respective god.
Nothing wrong with "Pascal's wager" very acceptable in the philosophical debate on the existence of "God"Spark wrote:
That opinion, to me, is abhorrent. It smacks of self-centeredness. It implies (I'm not saying this is true for you), that you haven't thought about it, and you only believe it because its the 'best way out'. It's the easy route - and it beats actually believing in something that you actually think is true.Paco_the_Insane wrote:
hey, its better to believe and be wrong, than to not believe and be wrong. Because if a religious person is wrong, nothing will happen, but if an athiest is wrong, then gods gonna be pissed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager
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Personally ive never been anything but an athiest. I was raised in a Church of England way i just never bought the BS. I took the morals on board but ignored the fiction.
I dont think there is any real need for relegion in my life as there are some many more ways to feel part of something in this day and age. Organised religion seems heavyily based around money in my experience which is hardly a valid goal for a social crutch.
I dont think there is any real need for relegion in my life as there are some many more ways to feel part of something in this day and age. Organised religion seems heavyily based around money in my experience which is hardly a valid goal for a social crutch.
I know that, but I don't like it all the same.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman