|=-sL-=|.Cujucuyo.
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+26|6656|California

IRONCHEF wrote:

I'm also used to my almond milk or chocolate SILK soy milk!  That is some goooood shit if you people haven't tried it yet!  It's some serious num nums.
Now there we can agree, Silk is great. Never tried almond milk though.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6764|Northern California
i make my own almond milk on occasion.  3 cups of organic almonds, a gallon of purified water....soy milk maker...mix with brown rice syrup and a pinch of sea salt...chill and...num nums!  Every vitamin preserved and usable, every antioxidant applied into blood stream, and the almond mulch left in the milk machine can be used in pan cakes, bread, or other healthy foods.
RicardoBlanco
The English
+177|6841|Oxford

IRONCHEF wrote:

i make my own almond milk on occasion.  3 cups of organic almonds, a gallon of purified water....soy milk maker...mix with brown rice syrup and a pinch of sea salt...chill and...num nums!  Every vitamin preserved and usable, every antioxidant applied into blood stream, and the almond mulch left in the milk machine can be used in pan cakes, bread, or other healthy foods.
That milk sounds perfect for good coffee

I'm puzzled though, if you don't like milk that's fine...


IRONCHEF wrote:

Hi, I'm Ironchef and I hate cow milk.  I have been off the life-long bad habit of drinking it for 2 years now.  Though I still eat cheese, yogurt, and some other dairy products, I do not and cannot drink cow milk..even organic.  I tried not too long ago and it just grossed me out..
...but suggesting there are any negative health implications from drinking milk is ludicrous, unless your talking about someone who drinks litres of the stuff a day. We can always post links with biased opinions that favour ours, as follows...

http://www.milkdelivers.org/vending/healthbenefits.cfm

Which as least looks more convincing than...

http://www.theearthcenter.org/sssoyvsmilk.html

The almond milk does sound good though, and the cake too

Edit: Now I know why you don't like milk...

http://www.organicconsumers.org/foodsaf … 062304.cfm

Last edited by RicardoBlanco (2006-11-29 14:47:26)

IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6764|Northern California
lol, it's not just those links I listed, it's been something i've observed over the years in MSM, in local press, and from educated people (and not so educated people).  There's a reason soy products are gaining market share..they're healthy.  And in places where health food reigns (SF Bay Area may lead the nation), it's not a surprise anymore to see as many alternatives to cow milk as there are ceral choices.  If you go to major supermarkets here, you'll see an equal amount of non-dairy milk as there is cow milk.  It's not just trendy either...it's because of demand due to the health aspect.  Once people learn that the dairy council pays for positive "findings" or overinflates other findings, aggressively (like Walmart aggression) suppressing competitor ad space (Oprah magazine is a good example...where there's tons of ads for dairy..none for soy products because dairy has taken up all the available spots).

Sure it sounds petty..after all, it's just milk, right?  But when you realize that some of the common things you consume may actually contribute to some of the problems you're having..then you'd be a fool to ignore it.  And if it's something easy to control (like trying out soy milk or some other alternative), why wouldn't you?

I read this claim from some health site and put it to the test.  It was 100% accurate in my experimentation so I told my wife.  She likewise noticed the difference.
By just switching from dairy milk to non-dairy milk you will begin to feel less bloated, more energetic, more clear-headed and healthier. After a few days, the improvement in health can be dramatic, particularly for asthmatics and people with congested airways.

We were cautious about yanking milk from our baby girl because hey, babies drink milk, right?  Well, as we investigated more, gathering medical opinion, pediatric and lactation specialist opinion..and of course online sources..we decided there was NO benefit from cow milk for our child.  We'd still give her calcium rich foods and other dairy products like yogurt, cheese, cottage cheese, etc because there's many other things there that are needed.  She doesn't get sick as much, runny noses stopped running longer..etc, etc..i've said it a few times before..no need to repeat.

Anyway, just a little history there so people don't think i suddenly WIKI'd milk or something to stir up fights on the boards! lol
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6966
SILK rocks
jonsimon
Member
+224|6768
Why fight milk itself, why not fight for regulations on farmers? Regulating corporate farmers would go a long way to making not only milk, but beef more healthy. I'm sorry, but I'm not in a position to seek substitutes for something I consume every single day. Besides, milk is healthy from a healthy cow, so your beef (punny) is with the farmers, not the milk.

As for lowering cholesterol, you can do a lot more for your heart and waistline by consuming whole grains and kicking refined flours, and you can do it more conveniently than by kicking milk.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6764|Northern California

jonsimon wrote:

Why fight milk itself, why not fight for regulations on farmers? Regulating corporate farmers would go a long way to making not only milk, but beef more healthy. I'm sorry, but I'm not in a position to seek substitutes for something I consume every single day. Besides, milk is healthy from a healthy cow, so your beef (punny) is with the farmers, not the milk.

As for lowering cholesterol, you can do a lot more for your heart and waistline by consuming whole grains and kicking refined flours, and you can do it more conveniently than by kicking milk.
Doctor supported my move to soy milk to lower cholesterol.  It worked.  Dermatologist supported migration from flamatory cow milk to soy milk to improve psoriasis inflamation.  It worked.  I eat grains all day, and sometimes make milk from it (almond, oat, rice) and it obviously helps me.

I'm not fighting milk or telling anyone to do what I did. I did ask that people consider some logic and possibly see what I saw in milk.  If you KNEW milk was actually doing bad things to your body, and if you understood the lies of the dairy ads, you'd probably question and possibly modify your consumption, wouldn't you?

And yes, requiring dairy farmers to adhere to organic standards (and actually do it like a small majority actually do), that would make things better.  Beef too.  Good point.

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2006-11-29 15:54:33)

Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6792|Adelaide, South Australia

has anyone else ever heard of the A4 'Miracle' Milk?
BigmacK
Back from the Dead.
+628|7024|Chicago.
Sorry to be off topic, but I just want to say; I finish a gallon of milk every two days.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6768

Superior Mind wrote:

We are the only animals that drink milk after infancy (besides when we give it to cats). So why drink it? I prefer water and iced tea.
We drink it because for centuries water was not a healthy alternative.
PspRpg-7
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+961|6971

interesting.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6764|Northern California

BigmacK wrote:

Sorry to be off topic, but I just want to say; I finish a gallon of milk every two days.
*adds bigmack to the long list of gay little children who said the same thing cuz they're soooo damned funny!*
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6764|Northern California

jonsimon wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

We are the only animals that drink milk after infancy (besides when we give it to cats). So why drink it? I prefer water and iced tea.
We drink it because for centuries water was not a healthy alternative.
Yep, and when you go to mexico, you can't drink either..so you drink a coke.  and don't even get me started on the "coke contaminates mexican water and milk" consipiracy!!!  lol
Fenris_GreyClaw
Real Хорошо
+826|6792|Adelaide, South Australia

IRONCHEF wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

We are the only animals that drink milk after infancy (besides when we give it to cats). So why drink it? I prefer water and iced tea.
We drink it because for centuries water was not a healthy alternative.
Yep, and when you go to mexico, you can't drink either..so you drink a coke.  and don't even get me started on the "coke contaminates mexican water and milk" consipiracy!!!  lol
it does!?!
BigmacK
Back from the Dead.
+628|7024|Chicago.

IRONCHEF wrote:

BigmacK wrote:

Sorry to be off topic, but I just want to say; I finish a gallon of milk every two days.
*adds bigmack to the long list of gay little children who said the same thing cuz they're soooo damned funny!*
Thanks.
Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|6903|Washington, DC

When I was in Paris (France), the milk I got from "Monoprix" was great. It had great flavor, didn't feel particularly "heavy" or anything. I'm no law scholar, but I think the EU has very strict regulations on the conditions that milking cows live in and what you can give them (I think they've outright banned giving hormones to cows). I'm sure if the FDA in the US made such regulations, then milk wouldn't be as "bad" as Chef makes it out to be.

I wanna try out some Silk though, it sounds pretty good.
Towelly
It's A State Of Mind
+399|6864|Your attic
So... I just drank another pint of my lovely British milk, I also had a nice ice cold glass this morning.

Strangely enough I'm not dead yet.
|=-sL-=|.Cujucuyo.
Member
+26|6656|California

Superior Mind wrote:

SILK rocks
Hell yeah!
HURLEY
Ima Crunchatize you.
+170|6956|The Lou
OK, QUOTE ME IF YOU THINK THIS IS TRUE!

WHY THE HELL DO YOU CARE SO MUCH, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ON A DEATH CERTIFICATE "MILK" OR "MILK CANCER" AND MILK IS GOOD SO I REALLY DONT CARE WHAT IT DOES TO ME CAUSE MILK GOES WITH ABOUT EVERYTHING


Chocolate
Pie (good shit)
Candy
Chicken
Shrimp
Toated Raviolli
Spaghetti
You name it, milks good with it.
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6741
If the -1 option was still here IRONCHEF would have lost 50 karma from this flame alone.
BVC
Member
+325|6968
Fuck, this thread makes me want to go drink a glass of cows milk right now...in fact, here I go...

edit: god that was good!

Last edited by Pubic (2006-11-30 00:12:19)

Umibozu_IT
Member
+15|6920|Italy
wow a crusade against milk

next time they'll ban bread, and then maybe chocolate, and then god knows what else


and in 50 yrs we'll all be eating pills and drinkin distilled water because everything else is unhealthy


guess what, i've never seen anyone dying because of milk...
|=-sL-=|.Cujucuyo.
Member
+26|6656|California
Just one thing to remember, Soy milk can be rich in calcium when added with the mineral, however it lacks something only Milk has, and those are essential Amino-Acids only found in milk.

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