They were not in the house, they were approaching the house. Lets not play the what if game.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Just hypothetically. Say you were sleeping and you heard people poking around your house, naturally you grab your home protection piece and investigate. Upon seeing figures in your living room, you open fire.
Approaching the house means setting up for entry. They could have been by the windows, backyard, etc.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Ok. They announced themselves, forced open the door, but were shot coming across the yard? THis whole story is screwed up. I wonder what the warrant was for?
A 90 year old dealing narcotics? I guess social security isn't what it used to be.
Bad luck. Shit happens. What happens if you die because some chick was yapping on her cellphone and caused and accident? What happens if your plane crashes because someone made a mistake? Shit happens, people sue for millions, and life goes on.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
So lets say Cops barge into the wrong house which DOES happen and quite often from SWAT on A&E. You defend your home not knowing who it is and your shot dead. How do you feel about the no-knock law?
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WoWusmarine2007 wrote:
Bad luck. Shit happens. What happens if you die because some chick was yapping on her cellphone and caused and accident? What happens if your plane crashes because someone made a mistake? Shit happens, people sue for millions, and life goes on.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
So lets say Cops barge into the wrong house which DOES happen and quite often from SWAT on A&E. You defend your home not knowing who it is and your shot dead. How do you feel about the no-knock law?
What? Bad stuff happens all the time. Doctors amputate the wrong body parts, etc. What do you have against cops?Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
WoWusmarine2007 wrote:
Bad luck. Shit happens. What happens if you die because some chick was yapping on her cellphone and caused and accident? What happens if your plane crashes because someone made a mistake? Shit happens, people sue for millions, and life goes on.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
So lets say Cops barge into the wrong house which DOES happen and quite often from SWAT on A&E. You defend your home not knowing who it is and your shot dead. How do you feel about the no-knock law?
Nothing against cops. Its just boggling how a random traffic accident and plane crash are compared to a law of our courts putting both citizens and the officers further in harms way than necessary.usmarine2007 wrote:
What? Bad stuff happens all the time. Doctors amputate the wrong body parts, etc. What do you have against cops?Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
WoWusmarine2007 wrote:
Bad luck. Shit happens. What happens if you die because some chick was yapping on her cellphone and caused and accident? What happens if your plane crashes because someone made a mistake? Shit happens, people sue for millions, and life goes on.
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Right to Bear Arms brother. Even for a 90 year old.JahManRed wrote:
So from what Ive read I thinks the cops kicked in the door then she fired from a window at plain clothes cops approaching the house?
I can see both sides here. When cops come under fire, especially when 3 cops were hit) they return fire.
The other side is, that the women was probably half deaf and didn't here the police warning. (I presume one was given) she thought it was intruders making there way towards her house, so she opened fire.
If the women wasn't surrounded by a climate of fear that seams to be propagated, to take Americans rights away, she might not have been so trigger happy.
I again am presuming the gun was legally held. If it wasn't, then scratch my next sentence.
WTF is a 92 year old woman doing with a gun anyway, with hearing probably failing, decreased mobility etc, she was a liability in the first place and the state should have taken it away from her.
From what I have read, its not the cops fault...........
Assistant Chief Alan Dreher said the officers had a legal warrant and "knocked and announced" before they forced open the door. He said they were justified in shooting once they were fired upon.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
JUst a small point to make here.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/061506A.shtml
Above is the "no knock" law created to allow police with a warrant to enter a home without announcing themselves. Im not implying that happened in the above case as the officers say they stated who they were. But this law is in place and can be used.
Im not disputing that. But what were they searching for? Did they find it?Kmarion wrote:
Assistant Chief Alan Dreher said the officers had a legal warrant and "knocked and announced" before they forced open the door. He said they were justified in shooting once they were fired upon.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
JUst a small point to make here.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/061506A.shtml
Above is the "no knock" law created to allow police with a warrant to enter a home without announcing themselves. Im not implying that happened in the above case as the officers say they stated who they were. But this law is in place and can be used.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/ … 5048.shtml
It appears to be a very dangerous law. I have not educated myself enough to debate it at this point.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Im not disputing that. But what were they searching for? Did they find it?Kmarion wrote:
Assistant Chief Alan Dreher said the officers had a legal warrant and "knocked and announced" before they forced open the door. He said they were justified in shooting once they were fired upon.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
JUst a small point to make here.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/061506A.shtml
Above is the "no knock" law created to allow police with a warrant to enter a home without announcing themselves. Im not implying that happened in the above case as the officers say they stated who they were. But this law is in place and can be used.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/ … 5048.shtml
And then what are your views about the "no knock" law I mentioned earlier. IT doesn't have anything to do with the story but I am just curious what you think of the no knock law.
You would shoot, before demanding they get out of your house? Maybe a line something like "I have called the Police, I have a gun, I would suggest you leave" would be more appropriate....however since they weren't in the house, this logic doesn't apply.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Just hypothetically. Say you were sleeping and you heard people poking around your house, naturally you grab your home protection piece and investigate. Upon seeing figures in your living room, you open fire.
With this case, there aren't enough details about the warrant and such so Im not sure what to think. Except, if it were me and I was in her position, I would have opened fire also, probably.