BF2S Forums Conservatives are more generous

Arthur C. Brooks wrote:

I know I'm going to get yelled at a lot with this book. But when you say something big and new, you're going to get yelled at.

Sign of a truly intellegent man.

Nice find Brinson. +1.

Last edited by BigmacK (2006-11-19 06:14:04)

Could be, but you're also assholes, so it balances out.




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DBBrinson1 wrote:

It's true.  So much for the Conservative/Republican {are} evil, screw the poor, stereotype, smears of the libs!

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/204/story_20419_1.html

I don't think anyone has been claiming conservative voters are evil, rather, conservative politicians are evil and corrupt. And this man's opinion reflects upon conservative voters, and makes logical sense, but does not reflect upon the politicians of the right at all.

Edit: The study also points out that liberals want the government to give to charity, which if implemented would make them more charitable.

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jonsimon wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

It's true.  So much for the Conservative/Republican {are} evil, screw the poor, stereotype, smears of the libs!

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/204/story_20419_1.html

I don't think anyone has been claiming conservative voters are evil, rather, conservative politicians are evil and corrupt. And this man's opinion reflects upon conservative voters, and makes logical sense, but does not reflect upon the politicians of the right at all.

Edit: The study also points out that liberals want the government to give to charity, which if implemented would make them more charitable.

We don't need to pay more taxes than we already do.

Charity is a polite way of maintaining the status quo. In other words, it's a nice way of giving the finger to those on the receiving end. It is certainly not a means of reform. Alas, I don't believe in it (although I admit I do practice it sometimes).

Last edited by oug (2006-11-30 16:02:34)

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

article wrote:

The book's basic findings are that conservatives who practice religion, live in traditional nuclear families and reject the notion that the government should engage in income redistribution are the most generous Americans, by any measure.

Conversely, secular liberals who believe fervently in government entitlement programs give far less to charity. They want everyone's tax dollars to support charitable causes and are reluctant to write checks to those causes, even when governments don't provide them with enough money.

No blanket statements please

If the shoe fits . . .

jonsimon wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

It would seem that rich liberals do not truly believe in the redistribution of wealth when it has to be pulled out of their pocket by their own hand.   Instead, they'd rather have the government take it so they don't have to actually get close to the huddled masses. *snickers*

You just tried to spin willingness to be taxed for the benefit of others negatively. You must be twisted.

Willingness to be taxed is far more honorable than a tiny hand out once a year.

Maybe . . . just maybe it would be honorable if they were willing to, at the very least, give the tiny handout once a year like those who earn LESS than the liberals in question.  Sadly, the numbers show they do not.  Those who earn less are at least giving, even if they can't give much.  That's better than liberals giving NOTHING.  Keep trying to spin the liberals as more generous when they don't give to charities.  Maybe it will work if you repeat it enough.

Stingray24 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

It would seem that rich liberals do not truly believe in the redistribution of wealth when it has to be pulled out of their pocket by their own hand.   Instead, they'd rather have the government take it so they don't have to actually get close to the huddled masses. *snickers*

You just tried to spin willingness to be taxed for the benefit of others negatively. You must be twisted.

Willingness to be taxed is far more honorable than a tiny hand out once a year.

Maybe . . . just maybe it would be honorable if they were willing to, at the very least, give the tiny handout once a year like those who earn LESS than the liberals in question.  Sadly, the numbers show they do not.  Those who earn less are at least giving, even if they can't give much.  That's better than liberals giving NOTHING.  Keep trying to spin the liberals as more generous when they don't give to charities.  Maybe it will work if you repeat it enough.

1. Where is any kind of evidence for any of these claims? And who are the rich liberals you are talking about? Is there any basis for your opinions at all? The study in this thread doesn't even talk about rich people spcifically, so why are you? Why do you think liberals give nothing, when the study gives no support for that conclusion?

2. Even if they are giving nothing, they would be giving more and being more successful in helping the poor if the rich conservatives in the government would tax everyone, but they won't, because everyone includes the rich conservatives in the government.

3. I never said the liberals are more generous, I said they are more honorable.

Stingray24 wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

If the shoe fits . . .

What about Conservatives who don't practice religion?  Are divorced?  Embrace the notion that government should engage in income redistribution?

What about religious liberals?  Who don't believe in government entitlement programs?  Who don't want everyone's tax dollars to support charitable causes?  Are willing to donate directly to charitable causes?

I understand why the author is pigeonholing it, but don't make a blanket statement saying, "Conservatives are more generous than..."

We aren't saying it.  The numbers are.  The attempted defense of liberals not giving to charities is occuring in this thread by liberals.  Rather interesting if you're saying the author is wrong.

No, the numbers are saying nuclear famlies who are religious are more generous than those that aren't. People like you are the reason our politics is just mudslinging.

jonsimon wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

What about Conservatives who don't practice religion?  Are divorced?  Embrace the notion that government should engage in income redistribution?

What about religious liberals?  Who don't believe in government entitlement programs?  Who don't want everyone's tax dollars to support charitable causes?  Are willing to donate directly to charitable causes?

I understand why the author is pigeonholing it, but don't make a blanket statement saying, "Conservatives are more generous than..."

We aren't saying it.  The numbers are.  The attempted defense of liberals not giving to charities is occuring in this thread by liberals.  Rather interesting if you're saying the author is wrong.

No, the numbers are saying nuclear famlies who are religious are more generous than those that aren't. People like you are the reason our politics is just mudslinging.

So you did the research, did you?  How nice of you to clarify the author's research.

he also did a piece blowing the notion that america is "stingy" (tsunami relief) completely out of the water. he illustrated that while fed donations may be lower in some cases than other countries, private donations of time, goods, and services completely trumped that of the nations accusing us of misering. right now though all i can find are references to his book and the same study you got, i'll keep trying to find where he talked about that and post a link.

odd how private donations without incentive can so easily trump government's tax based "forced charity", yet another failure of socialism