BF2S Forums Would the US be a better place without religion?

Until religion stays the fuck out of peoples bedrooms and lives, religion will always be a point of contention.  Gays and lesbians are people too.  I'm hetero, but because my better half and I are not officially married I have broken several laws of this state.

Ironchef, you may have been here for a short period of time, but I live here.  The church rules this state.  If there is a bill that lawmakers think may run against what the church thinks, everything is run before the church before it even comes to a vote.  We have idiots that church members vote into power that think there is a gay agenda handbook.  They think that gays are out to convert everyone.  They honestly think that in teaching evolution they think we came from monkies. 

My dad recently became Catholic, but because of extended family and their Italian heritage they think Adam/Eve and Nohas ark were actual/factual happenings rather than fableistic stories meant to prove a point. At what point do you draw the line.  At what point does having religious beliefs and putting every little bill that may run afoul of a religious organization cross the line.

When the fuck will religious pundits stay the fuck out of lives and bedrooms.  If some one believes, they will believe.  Trying to legislate morality had never had success, and has always lead to destruction in one form or another.

IRONCHEF wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

people, people, people....please.  let's be real here.  take your heads out of your agenda laden asses and think for a minute.  realize that when you say "yes, the country would be better without religious people" it encompases ALL religious people..and not just that big voting block that YOU see when you turn on tv and see them tangling in politics.  The real religious people of this country go about silently making things better.  they dig deepest into their pockets when there's an international or national crisis, they selflessly offer their service above and beyond, they contribute to their communities and neighborhoods.  They do things unique to religion that you godless heathens don't even fathom that make this a better country.

But as long as you ignorant youngins continue to equate religion with terrorism/bad politics/intolerance/hatred and the host of other false blanket statements, you'll never be able to answer the OP honestly.

But alass, you have anyway.  So let's get together now and flame the religious crazy man ironchef now... zzzzzzz

I'm glad you won't be surprised if anyone flames you, after all, your choice of wording begs for it. Referring to your opponents as 'heathens', which carries an obvious negative connotation, suggesting your opponents fail to be as intelligent as yourself (in that the 'heathens' can't fathom, or understand, something you have implied you can), blatantly provoking response through the labeling of 'ignorant youngins' and the ironic blanket statement that your opponent is incapable of honesty.

I can see your religious beliefs have imparted within you the everlasting love and acceptance of Jesus.

Ok heathen, let's now point out where you failed...

Your disdain for religious people made you percieve things I did not say or suggest when you assumed I said godless heathens were not intelligent.  It was a sarcastic and spiteful title yet appropriate because if you are not god-worshipping, you are in fact heathens.  As for not fathoming a religious principle, it has little to do with intelligence.  Would it be reasonable for me to accept that I'm unintelligent because i cannot fathom the physics of space travel while trained astronauts can?  Likewise, will a non-religious "heathen" not fathom religious principles as you and many other "heathens" have abundantly illustrated when doing battle with me and stingray in these forums?  For example, do you understand the "justice-mercy" concept and how it's applicable to our lives because of the atonement of Jesus Christ?  DO you "fathom" the scope and process of the gathering of the lost tribes of israel?  Can you begin to understand the intricacies of FAITH?  If you answer no to any of these then you are still intelligent, yet not able to fathom religious principles.

The Gathering of the lost tribes of Iserael you say? We've found a load of them here Northern Ireland! can you send them home?

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2006-11-17 18:27:35)

CameronPoe wrote:

The entire enlightened/civilised world no longer needs religion and would be better off without it.

i agree

Spearhead wrote:

HELL_YES

I could live with REAL religious people, but those who are imposing their beliefs on people with different beliefs than themselves are destroying this country.  Same with those who say "I know more than you, because...... I uh... read this thing called the Bible".

Would you be angry if FSM worshipers went door-to-door?

In God We Trust

All these atheists say they promote "understanding" and crap of that nature but they more than not seem to have a grudge against everyone else because "You're stupid, use logic. I'm smarter than you all." Nobodys forcing you to follow it, but why the hell are you starting fights over it? No matter what anyone says, it is a religious affiliation.

Last edited by DesertFox423 (2006-11-18 07:51:26)

Very well, thank you.

d4rkst4r wrote:

your preaching to thw wrong crowd, the middle east has the problem with religion

No. It's the world that has the problem with religion.

Religion whether you agree with it or not helps to hold people morally accountable for their actions. It also provides motivation to help others out who desperately need it. I know it seems that the extreme side of religion appears to dominate history. That is because it is more glamorous than all the charities and missionaries out amongst the world who have saved countless lives and has helped to give people hope.

Edit: I have posted this idea before but I think Religion just happens to be the tool people use to act out their natural human instincts. If there were no religion we would most likely be using something else to act out our barbaric tendencies.

Science help us!!

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-11-18 09:47:25)

For reference in success rate, see "Soviet Union"

DonFck wrote:

For reference in success rate, see "Soviet Union"

Far more to do with the inherent flaws in communism than anything to do with religion.

Bertster7 wrote:

DonFck wrote:

For reference in success rate, see "Soviet Union"

Far more to do with the inherent flaws in communism than anything to do with religion.

See China .

Bertster7 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Not even flaws in communism, just economic turbulence and coincidental mismanagement.

I don't know about that. The collapse wasn't because of communism. Communism is a sound idea in principle but it doesn't work when you bring human nature into the equation. People who work more successfully deserve more, communism doesn't reward productivity as much as capitalism, which is why a capitalist model is always the best one.

I believe the word you are looking for is motivation.

Kmarion wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Not even flaws in communism, just economic turbulence and coincidental mismanagement.

I don't know about that. The collapse wasn't because of communism. Communism is a sound idea in principle but it doesn't work when you bring human nature into the equation. People who work more successfully deserve more, communism doesn't reward productivity as much as capitalism, which is why a capitalist model is always the best one.

I believe the word you are looking for is motivation.

Would be rather apt wouldn't it.