BF2S Forums UCLA student fried by Police

"So your honor, they like totally violated my civil rights. I mean, thanks to the patriot act, I missed a fallout boy concert. My boyfriend was so mad...."

Should be a line of NYU assholes chomping at the bit to represent him, I would imagine.

norge wrote:

jesus, had i been there i woulda gotten my friends to help me take down those officers. thats just fucking wrong.  theres no reason whatsoever that 3 or 4 officers could not have picked him up after they had him cuffed and brought him to a cop car, there was no fucking reason to tase him that many times.

There's the spirit. So instead of getting tazed, you can get your ass shot off.

I only hope you try and attack a group of police officers some day.

Of course you weren't there, but you're an expert, so of course you know what's going on.

FTP gives a whole new meaning...

Again, if the Police where not helping him up while he was cuffed. He would not be able to stand, nothing to do with the tazer but more so cause of the cuffs.

Erkut.hv wrote:

"So your honor, they like totally violated my civil rights. I mean, thanks to the patriot act, I missed a fallout boy concert. My boyfriend was so mad...."

Should be a line of NYU assholes chomping at the bit to represent him, I would imagine.

Fallout boy sucks.. And you don't have a boyfriend.

FederalRepublic wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

Telling someone who has just been tazered to "get up, or you'll be tazered more" is just ridiculous. How is he supposed to even get up in that situation ? 50,000 volts will hurt like shit and I personally know nobody who'd be able to even crawl on the floor in any direction after getting one tazer shot, let alone 4 or more...

This is simply not true.  You recover instantly after being tazed. 

Here is an example:
http://my.break.com/Media/View.aspx?ContentID=148885

I am sorry, but all I see in that clip that from the time the guy gets tazered until the two officers help him up, around 51 seconds pass. I wouldn't say that's instant recovery. Now, imagine you have never been tazered before and you weigh half of what the guy in the video weighs. Your hands are handcuffed behind your back and two police officers yell at you to get up while administering even more tazer shots.

Are you sure you'd be getting up easily ?

the fact of the matter is, everybody reacts differently under such circumstances. We can sit here easily and discuss who was right and who was wrong and speculate how brave or responsibly we'd have reacted in that situation. But that is just that, speculation.

Even if the student is a pussy and over-reacted, tazering a handcuffed student in a university library is not the best way to handle the situation, wouldn't you agree ?

EDIT: Eye-witness quote from an NBC article:

"When asked whether the student resisted when officer attempted to escort him from the building, the witness said, "In the beginning, no. But when they were holding onto him and they were on the ground, he was trying to just break free. He was saying, 'I'm leaving, I'm leaving.' It was so disturbing to watch that I cannot be concise on that. I can just say that he was willing to leave. He had his backpack on his shoulder and he was walking out when the cops approached him. It was unnecessary.""

source: http://www.nbc4.tv/news/10325914/detail.html

My feelings exactly. Why apply additional, unnecessary pressure and cause that much stress by trying to grab him when he is already walking out ? It's a student in a university library, for god's sake. Talk to him like a grown man would, let him pick up his bag and leave quietly.

Pug wrote:

Weird, because he got up by himself in the video...

Which are you talking about? because try it if you can, put your hands behind your back and try to stand off your stomach it's very hard.

Pug wrote:

Sorry, I read "unable to stand", not "very hard".  I get you, though.

There's a interesting story on MSN now.  It looks like this is going to be a huge story...

His lawyer says he resisted because he felt he was being singled out for being Iranian.

Pulling the RACE card on these instances if fucking retardard... I hate that, I don't belive he was singled out. I do belive that there was abuse of power though.. We'll see how this pans out, probably won't be that big..

Pug wrote:

Check it out fass:

Amnesty International is involved already.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15765622/

Didn't read the whole thing, but go back to the first artical and read everyone's name on that list.... He wasn't being singled out at all, if his name was John Smith then maybe.  But you have got to be kidding me.

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

gburndred wrote:

He didn't co-operate with the cops and he got tazed, now thats one thing. But to be asked to be giving your info and badge # to a citizen and reply with "back off, or you'll get tazed too." Thats just wrong. He wasn't doing anything to the cop. Those fucking cops deserve to get tazed how ever many times that guy got tazed.

watch carefully.  he said "back off, or you'll get tazed too" because he was feeling threatened when the student was aggressively pointing into his face while standing only a few feet away.  the police were severely outnumbered, and they were taking the necessary actions to make sure that other students behavior wouldn't escalate from "angry" to "out of control"

-1 for you too

They were taking actions, but the actions they took made what they never wanted to happen, happen. If your posing as a threat then thats when they can use force. Pointing a finger and asking for a cops info isn't a threat, maybe if he had a knife in his hand. And it wasn't just one person that asked, a whole bunch of people asked.

-1 for you

Also for tazers, its called a 5 second jolt. 5 seconds of 50000 volts. It does hurt, but you can get up after 15 seconds and be fine.

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IRONCHEF wrote:

You know, after reading this article, it's clear the guy was a trouble maker...he probably had a card, but he refused to show it and he refused to leave the library.  That alone is enough for me to say he's screwed and deserved to be given the police's full indiscretion in their allowed use of force..which they did. 

As for the debate of him being able to stand up or not, if he wasn't fighting back/resisting so much, he could have stood up.  The video is inconclusive to truly know if he could have stood or not.  As for repeated tazings...it's the police's right to do so, though as i've said before, they should have just hauled him off.  They had no problem dragging him out of that hallway after the mob grew too big.

I have no doubt that police will win that case even if a judge doesn't throw it out, which I'm sure it will..be thrown out.

When do the police ever lose?

Protecus wrote:

Just a little comparison:

Here's a guy on crystal meth, in a jail cell, actually threatening to hurt the cops. There is no metaphore, no hyperbole, he straight up said it:

Idiot

Compare that to the student that gets hit 4 times for not standing up.

Fair?

Campus cops, though relatively n00bish in comparison to their LAPD counterparts, adrenaline, threatening situation (mob, argumentative subject) = elements from which much warranted woopass will happen.

Methmouth is in a jail, already convicted, can have his threats simply notated as they are not capable of materializing (like it could have done in that library hall) and used against him in a parole hearing.  No comparison really.


Another aspect of this tazing incident....it's outrageous because those soft-minded rich kids witnessing the ordeal have a much more limited measurement of what's acceptable and what's not, whereas those cops do.  THis is manifest in the relative calmness present with the officers, but the fearful, angry, and anxious attitudes of the mob.  But if the mob were in the officers' shoes for a month, saw what is common, what is acceptable, possibly what is not acceptable, etc...and if the novelty of the use of a tazer is gone..they'd react differently.  It's what a judge will use to reason, and hopefully a jury if it goes that far.  My guess is that if the mob were not new to the tactic or the viewing of tazings..they'd have skipped the reaction and helped convince the offender to submit and stop being an asshead.  I think I would have been one of those people.

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2006-11-17 14:42:52)