| Yes! It has no place in schools. | 13% | 13% - 18 | ||||
| No! They are banning a reasonable activity. | 54% | 54% - 72 | ||||
| What is JROTC??? | 31% | 31% - 41 | ||||
| Total: 131 | ||||||
no job fairs, no charity organization recruiters, no nothing?Marconius wrote:
We did. That was a ballot measure that passed last year.smtt686 wrote:
then ban all recruiters from campus. private and public sector.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Recruiters on site I disagree with.
Unfortunately nothing is happening in a vacuum. All of this is connected somewhere along the line. If schools screw up then the community, states and nations suffer. If government stands by and does nothing they get whacked by one or the other political parties or various special interest groups. Without Federal money filtering down in various ways and/or directly to schools many would fall apart (and did) at least in the non-affluent communites and then the educational divide broadens. Some money filters through state and local programs still benefitting the schools.Turquoise wrote:
While the way that the federal government holds school systems for ransom with things like funding just proves the necessity of separating the federal government from education, I would also argue that JROTC is a sensible and worthwhile program that San Francisco has unsurprisingly overreacted to.
It's San Fran, what can ya do?
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QFuckingE!!!!stryyker wrote:
SF... Fails. ...
Banning JROTC is basically banning a form of education, which I'm pretty sure is against the law.
IRONCHEF You made a post not a month ago stating how you were not going to put this BS on this forum. You have no integrity or honor for yourself.deeznutz1245 wrote:
I have lost any and all respect for you because of this post. You remind me of the guy on the south park episode, the one who lived in San Fransisco and smelled his own farts. Those "incoherent kids" of yours are willing to die for you and you sit here and shit on them. Fuck you.IRONCHEF wrote:
Forgive me for the pride I take in being a member of the blue states. And I do think we're more intelligent than red state people....keeping in mind that you have the good people of Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas, Kentucky, and Mississippi in the red states! lol
And your reference to Kerry had not crossed my mind..but Kerry is right in his assumption that if you are dumb you choose the military...i know i did. smart kids figure out how to get that money they need..dumb kids listen to lieing recruiters.
And yes, my blanket statement may be rude, but have you watched documentaries or programs that show interviews with soldiers? There's some stupid ass kids who can't carry a coherent conversation who are in charge of weapons of mass destruction. And in contrast, take a stroll down Telegraph Ave in Berkeley and interview some UC Berkeley kids. Then tell me there's no difference. And this isn't to say that ALL military personnel are idiots...some are probably among the brightest minds we have...Wes Clark is an example I can think of...some of my friends are exceptionally bright.
I guess my point is, military recruiters recruit from certain areas because they have greater success. Guess what those areas are?
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And above all: no Coca Cola.kr@cker wrote:
no job fairs, no charity organization recruiters, no nothing?Marconius wrote:
We did. That was a ballot measure that passed last year.smtt686 wrote:
then ban all recruiters from campus. private and public sector.
lol din't u knoe? all us milutery peepol r stoopit(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:
QFuckingE!!!!stryyker wrote:
SF... Fails. ...
Banning JROTC is basically banning a form of education, which I'm pretty sure is against the law.
100 years ago SF alienated the Asian students and didn't allow them to attend school. Now 100 years later they are making another big mistake. I say take away their Federal Money, and wait till they come back begging for it.
EDIT:IRONCHEF You made a post not a month ago stating how you were not going to put this BS on this forum. You have no integrity or honor for yourself.deeznutz1245 wrote:
I have lost any and all respect for you because of this post. You remind me of the guy on the south park episode, the one who lived in San Fransisco and smelled his own farts. Those "incoherent kids" of yours are willing to die for you and you sit here and shit on them. Fuck you.IRONCHEF wrote:
Forgive me for the pride I take in being a member of the blue states. And I do think we're more intelligent than red state people....keeping in mind that you have the good people of Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas, Kentucky, and Mississippi in the red states! lol
And your reference to Kerry had not crossed my mind..but Kerry is right in his assumption that if you are dumb you choose the military...i know i did. smart kids figure out how to get that money they need..dumb kids listen to lieing recruiters.
And yes, my blanket statement may be rude, but have you watched documentaries or programs that show interviews with soldiers? There's some stupid ass kids who can't carry a coherent conversation who are in charge of weapons of mass destruction. And in contrast, take a stroll down Telegraph Ave in Berkeley and interview some UC Berkeley kids. Then tell me there's no difference. And this isn't to say that ALL military personnel are idiots...some are probably among the brightest minds we have...Wes Clark is an example I can think of...some of my friends are exceptionally bright.
I guess my point is, military recruiters recruit from certain areas because they have greater success. Guess what those areas are?
2nd EDIT: I would like to take this time also to say PHUCK You!
I am a US Marine, collage grad, and I spoke to my recruiter, because I wanted to serve, not because I'm dumb for doing so. With an I.Q. of 138, I would say I am above average in most arenas, debates aren't my forte, however I know serving My Country, My God, and Serving the Likes of Idiots like you, make me feel more proud of who I am than you will ever know in your feeble-minded dreams. Like I have said before, the US Constitution give you the right to be a moron and we protect that right, because you are a moron! No Gratitude or Thanks Necessary.
No, just discouraged military recruiters from coming to high school and college campuses here in the City. There hasn't been an enforced ban just yet, but this gives the schools the ability to do so should any infractions occur on the recruiters part. It was passed because of the predatory tactics that some recruiters take as early as high school to get people to sign up.kr@cker wrote:
no job fairs, no charity organization recruiters, no nothing?
Whomever teaches controls the minds - thats why we need controls on the controllers and give no single entity all the powerTjasso wrote:
government --> to control the minds
I've never heard of any recruiter other than the military on a high school campus, ever.kr@cker wrote:
i still don't see how they're any worse than any other type of recruiter, i was hounded by the likes of the peace corp and the like long after i got the military off my back. after all, if you can enter the military as a teen, what are they supposed to do, wait til you're 21 to recruit. i guess it just goes back to my "same rules for everyone" creed, i doubt greenpeace or PETA would be booted off campus in SF, no matter how "predatory" their tactics might be.
You can't join until you've graduated, but you can be stalked as early as they feel is necessary. Since 16, i got calls on the phone, visits on campus, and mailers for my junior and senior years. When you're trying to make decisions (i had decided to go to SDSU and do air force rotc, and play volleyball), they're right there with their contracts baiting and deceiving you giving an unfair amount of pressure. I know because I disregarded my college entrance by enlisting. And to be fair, it's still a good deal, even if they don't lie. Nothing wrong with being in the service..but the predatory activity is not ethical. No wonder it's being rejected in many places (other than SF).jonsimon wrote:
I've never heard of any recruiter other than the military on a high school campus, ever.kr@cker wrote:
i still don't see how they're any worse than any other type of recruiter, i was hounded by the likes of the peace corp and the like long after i got the military off my back. after all, if you can enter the military as a teen, what are they supposed to do, wait til you're 21 to recruit. i guess it just goes back to my "same rules for everyone" creed, i doubt greenpeace or PETA would be booted off campus in SF, no matter how "predatory" their tactics might be.
And you can't join the military when you're a teen in highschool, that's why they have the JROTC to recruit students before they can even join.
never heard of sports recruiters? and i know they're not called recruiters at job fairs, but isn't that what they're doing? sports recruiters are the most aggressive creatures this side of badgers and trial lawyers, don't see anyone rushing to kick them out.jonsimon wrote:
I've never heard of any recruiter other than the military on a high school campus, ever.kr@cker wrote:
i still don't see how they're any worse than any other type of recruiter, i was hounded by the likes of the peace corp and the like long after i got the military off my back. after all, if you can enter the military as a teen, what are they supposed to do, wait til you're 21 to recruit. i guess it just goes back to my "same rules for everyone" creed, i doubt greenpeace or PETA would be booted off campus in SF, no matter how "predatory" their tactics might be.
And you can't join the military when you're a teen in highschool, that's why they have the JROTC to recruit students before they can even join.
Well...maybe not the very last possible thing, but very nearly the last anyway.kr@cker wrote:
the last thing any soldier wants is a war
Maybe there should be corporate recruiters waving faux paychecks around high school, encouraging students to get educated so they can get paid more than a McDonald's wage.jonsimon wrote:
I've never heard of any recruiter other than the military on a high school campus, ever.kr@cker wrote:
i still don't see how they're any worse than any other type of recruiter, i was hounded by the likes of the peace corp and the like long after i got the military off my back. after all, if you can enter the military as a teen, what are they supposed to do, wait til you're 21 to recruit. i guess it just goes back to my "same rules for everyone" creed, i doubt greenpeace or PETA would be booted off campus in SF, no matter how "predatory" their tactics might be.
Last edited by lowing (2006-11-19 10:43:41)
You=Failjonsimon wrote:
I've never heard of any recruiter other than the military on a high school campus, ever.kr@cker wrote:
i still don't see how they're any worse than any other type of recruiter, i was hounded by the likes of the peace corp and the like long after i got the military off my back. after all, if you can enter the military as a teen, what are they supposed to do, wait til you're 21 to recruit. i guess it just goes back to my "same rules for everyone" creed, i doubt greenpeace or PETA would be booted off campus in SF, no matter how "predatory" their tactics might be.
And you can't join the military when you're a teen in highschool, that's why they have the JROTC to recruit students before they can even join.
It depends. Air Force prays for peace so they dont have to leave their apartments, I mean barracks, and deploy to lesser quality living standards. Marines on the other hand, get very tired of cleaning their weapons for nothing.kr@cker wrote:
the last thing any soldier wants is a war
Apparently IronChief has never seen any of the Jay Leno "man on the street interviews" with college students.OpsChief wrote:
lol din't u knoe? all us milutery peepol r stoopit(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:
QFuckingE!!!!stryyker wrote:
SF... Fails. ...
Banning JROTC is basically banning a form of education, which I'm pretty sure is against the law.
100 years ago SF alienated the Asian students and didn't allow them to attend school. Now 100 years later they are making another big mistake. I say take away their Federal Money, and wait till they come back begging for it.
EDIT:IRONCHEF You made a post not a month ago stating how you were not going to put this BS on this forum. You have no integrity or honor for yourself.deeznutz1245 wrote:
I have lost any and all respect for you because of this post. You remind me of the guy on the south park episode, the one who lived in San Fransisco and smelled his own farts. Those "incoherent kids" of yours are willing to die for you and you sit here and shit on them. Fuck you.
2nd EDIT: I would like to take this time also to say PHUCK You!
I am a US Marine, collage grad, and I spoke to my recruiter, because I wanted to serve, not because I'm dumb for doing so. With an I.Q. of 138, I would say I am above average in most arenas, debates aren't my forte, however I know serving My Country, My God, and Serving the Likes of Idiots like you, make me feel more proud of who I am than you will ever know in your feeble-minded dreams. Like I have said before, the US Constitution give you the right to be a moron and we protect that right, because you are a moron! No Gratitude or Thanks Necessary.