BF2S Forums San Francisco School Board Bans JROTC

Pro-War fine. anti homosexual. thats my big issue. If they are gonna do that. then fuck them.

And just where are we to get replacements for Iraq, idiots...

I'm in JROTC (Located on the other side of the bay as SF, but still too close for comfort) myself, and that is the dumbest decision I've ever heard.  For some of us, the Military provides something we can't get somewhere else.  I've been set on being in the Military since I was 5.  JROTC is a great program to show young people what the military is like, and still give them the option of backing down.  For Some kids, it can make or break a college application.  This new ban has put 1700 kids out of this activity.  I feel the tightness of the members of my JROTC unit is an awesome feeling.  I've never had such a great group of friends.  We're also good for demonstrations; our drill team always turns heads in parades and the like.  We get to be trained by real Military members, sometimes on base.  I went to Pendleton this summer for a program called Devil Pups, which was basically a 10 day bootcamp for people like myself.  It was not a program for "bad-kids" rather people who shared my same interests.   The Freakin' Boy Scouts won't accept Homosexuals either, so is SF gonna ban them from having units there too?  This is why I hate the Communist Republic of California.

Last edited by Major.League.Infidel (2006-11-15 21:11:06)

then i guess they don't want anymore federal money, huh?

IRONCHEF wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

then i guess they don't want anymore federal money, huh?

Yeah, cuz they get sooo much to begin with...  Blue states (where the intelligent people live along the coasts where there's reality and an actual threat) have already been ganked by no "rich" child left behind and the military gets the contact data for all students in return for the funds they do get...so they can hussle the non-white inner city kids with lies and distorted promises.  I believe there's other blackmails the government puts on public schools as threats to pull funding.  It's nice the SF school districts stood up to their shit.  I believe other big city school districts are doing it too.

Oh, and states provide the majority of school funding.

I think you're missing the bigger point here. If its such a bad thing, why do kids keep joining? Why does the school board feel compelled to "protect" those kids from the evils of learning the value of discipline and respect? Its not like JROTC kids are running out there and joining the military as enlisted soldiers. They provide scholarships and entry into service academies and ROTC programs where these kids, many of whom could not afford it otherwise, can get a first rate education. Is the SF school board going to provide the money these kids may have gotten from JROTC for college? I don't think so.

You're missing the point.  The federal government, which had no right in the first place to fund schools in any way (and most money for the schools ISN'T from the feds anyway) is using this same meager funding to inject a pro-military agenda into the schools.  The school board basically said "We ain't a bunch of sell-outs."  There are other ways in which to do this, JROTC should be an option for kids, yes (annoying little hemmorhoids that they were during my 7 years in the Army), but the federal government jacking up taxes so they can in turn blackmail states into conforming to an unpopular agenda is just wrong.  Take highway and road infrastructure for example...if states didn't raise the drinking age to 21, a chunk of federal money gets cut off.  Money that the federal government shouldn't have had in the first place to throw around...but with the introduction of the federal income tax earlier this century where the taxation pool shifted more from states to centralized federal government, D.C. politicians had a new way to exert control.  I'm not seeing why real conservatives aren't up in arms, maybe because they always attach this trick to a moral agenda (military, Support the Troops! or Drinking is Bad).  America is the dead last "civilized country" where higher education is not a fundamental right.  They did it with college (all but forcing the "have-nots" to join the military to get there) and now they're attempting a similar trick with high schools ("accept our military indoctrination program or your school will suck").

If the military wants to open a JROTC training center next to the school, wonderful.  If they want to run it as an after school program on Federal land, great.  If they want to tell the school they MUST do this or my child will suffer from an underfunded educational program, go to hell.

"Close down the music program, as it indoctrinates students into drug-addicted musician lifestyles. Sports, because it promotes steroid abuse. JROTC...because students might join the military?" If I put it that way, it doesn't make much sense, does it.

You're a little behind there on the sarcasm, both music and PE programs are on the chopping blocks everywhere...many school districts are forced to choose just one or the other or even cut both, and this is even WITH all the federal help.  By the way, I never said JROTC was bad, I was saying it shouldn't ever be a way to hold my tax dollars hostage and away from my kids.  The two concepts should never be related.

http://www.schoolmusicmatters.com/resou … estats=yes

Personally, I don't see why it's a bad thing. I've heard nothing but good things about it, and tbh, I wish I had access to that kind of thing over here. Obviously, living out of my home country doesn't help, but still. It's doing all sorts of things that I personally am interested it. The closest thing to that I could do here is Boy Scouts, but I'm not into child molestation...

IRONCHEF wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

then i guess they don't want anymore federal money, huh?

Yeah, cuz they get sooo much to begin with...  Blue states (where the intelligent people live along the coasts where there's reality and an actual threat) have already been ganked by no "rich" child left behind and the military gets the contact data for all students in return for the funds they do get...so they can hussle the non-white inner city kids with lies and distorted promises.  I believe there's other blackmails the government puts on public schools as threats to pull funding.  It's nice the SF school districts stood up to their shit.  I believe other big city school districts are doing it too.

Oh, and states provide the majority of school funding.

im going to assume you were stoned when you wrote that, as i had to re-read it 20 times to try and figure out what exactly you were getting at
I know states provide the majority of the school funding, but not all, and as to the rest of the specious crap you spewed, that's what the "real" "threatened" "intelligent" blue state people get for letting a drunk bastard like the "real threatened intelligent blue" ted kennedy from the "real" "intelligent" "blue" state of Massachussetts write the no child left behind bill (granted he was asked to do so by bush, so much for non-partisan cooperation), what's next, is he going to write a program to train school bus drivers to cross bridges?

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-11-16 08:04:04)

They better not ban it in NY. I'm taking it if I can.

As for pro-war...you'd figure a MILITARY program would be pro-war.

IRONCHEF wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

then i guess they don't want anymore federal money, huh?

Yeah, cuz they get sooo much to begin with...  Blue states (where the intelligent people live along the coasts where there's reality and an actual threat) have already been ganked by no "rich" child left behind and the military gets the contact data for all students in return for the funds they do get...so they can hussle the non-white inner city kids with lies and distorted promises.  I believe there's other blackmails the government puts on public schools as threats to pull funding.  It's nice the SF school districts stood up to their shit.  I believe other big city school districts are doing it too.

Oh, and states provide the majority of school funding.

Do you really believe what you type?

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Nation … a06-09.cfm

"The previous study noted the significant differ­ence between the national recruit high school grad­uation rate of 98 percent and the national youth graduation rate of 75 percent."

For the layman - The military's recruits are smarter than the rest of the population.

"In 2004, 92.1 percent of active-duty officer accessions held baccalaureate degrees or higher.[5] From 2000 to 2005, between 10 percent and 17 percent of active-duty officer accessions held advanced degrees, and between 35 percent and 45 percent of the active-duty officer corps held advanced degrees.[6] This indicates that officers continued their educa­tion during the course of their mili­tary service."

Care to look up the general population and get back to us?

RAIMIUS wrote:

Do you think this is appropriate?  The school board banned JROTC on the basis that the military's "pro-war and anti-homosexual" stance has no place in school.  Others note that JROTC does not use the "don't ask, don't tell" policy and does not discriminate against homosexuals.

Thoughts and opinions?

They should drum SF out of the Union and charge them a 100% tariff on everything. Na that's too easy. Any school refusing to assist in the defense of the nation should forfeit Federal Funds. Remove Federal Military Installations (= 100s of millions to San Francisco economy) and don't provide any military-related federal assistance after the next big earthquake or tsunami wastes frisco. Those people need to stand up and understand who and what the military is.

Anyone who thinks the US military is "Pro War" is a consumate ass and likely never served.  The military is Pro Winning Wars, not pro war, it is our job to prepare for war and getting the best soldiers and officers available is a damn good way to prepare. They took the Pledge of Allegiance and prayer out of schools now they take JROTC one of the last few legitimate groups who promotes moral codes and ethical behavior. Shortsighted selfserving simpleminded Asses.  Yes it is true, this Nation will fall from within as predicted and as the historian's said about Rome they will say about the USA "the moral decay paved the path to the fall".

Note: I am against taking moral codes/practices out of schools and not for taking the Rights of the Individual out of the Constitution