BF2S Forums Ok Dems, you got it, now what!?

IRONCHEF wrote:

Uh, what's wrong with raising taxes?

That's the one thing I'll never understand about some people.

What's wrong is that a great lump of it is wasted on petty pet projects, and yet they ask for more and more.

Anyone from Canada want to express their opinion on Gov't controlled health care?  Does it work?

The dem's have the keys now, it's their ballgame.  I'm sure we'll go back to the republican way soon enough, once we get tired of the lies and scandals that will come out of this.  Anyone else remember the 70's and 80's?  Why do you think Republicans have had the congress for the last 12 years?

Last edited by KungfuBeer (2006-11-08 20:24:47)

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

Ok so first off, I would like to say Congratulations to the Democrats, they ran an "interesting" campaign not to the standards I would like, but won fair and square, and with good reasons as well.  But this I would like to know, so what now? What are you going to change? What are you guys going to be rooting for?

1. Are you just going to raise taxes and only confirm activist judges?

2. What are you going to DO about immigration. 

3. What are you going to do about health care that DOES NOT involve raising taxes??

4. How about gun control?  Siding with John Conyers and Pelosi for a Nat'l Handgun ban? Think that'll work? It didn't in D.C.....

5. Abortion?

6. Gay Marriage?

7. Education? Just going to raise taxes as usual?

8. Oh almost forgot Iraq? Phased withdrawl, complete withdrawl.

9. Impeaching proceedings for the Pres? For what exactly, and don't you do say lying or I will direct you to a dictionary.

Here is some friendly left-leaning Libertarian advice....

1. Don't cut taxes, cut spending.  Run a healthy surplus and pay down the national debt.

2. Use Bush's plan for immigration.  It's actually one of those rare few good ideas that Bush has supported.

3. Keep healthcare private, and implement tort reform.

4. Keep gun laws as they are today.  Don't decrease or increase regulation on them.

5. Let the states battle on the abortion issue.  It's not worth the time of the federal government.

6. Remove government from marriage.  Let churches battle it out over gay ceremonies, but change the governmental system to accept only civil unions (straight and gay).  Grandfather people with legal marriages into the system by giving them civil union recognition.

7. Let the local governments deal with education.

8. Iraq -- implement Biden's 3 province idea.

9. Don't go forth with impeachment proceedings.  It'll just mean you've stooped to the level that Ken Starr and the Republicans did back in the late 90s.

HeimdalX wrote:

And here I was thinking that people were just tired of Republicans doing nothing, which is why 1 out of 3 republicans in my red state voted democrat and offset some key votes.

So to answer your question, they'll do more than Republicans have done probably. Maybe they'll repeal the patriot act and give us freedom back.

Exactly WTh did they personally TAKE from you? Please be as specific as possible. I havent had a single thing taken away from me. Actually im sitting here writing this to you with complete freedom right now.

Please continue.

Ahhh I'm loving this Republican vs Democrat battle.

It's like arguing that elephant shit tastes better than lion shit.

TeamZephyr wrote:

Ahhh I'm loving this Republican vs Democrat battle.

It's like arguing that elephant shit tastes better than lion shit.

Donkey shit, they're donkeys, not lions. 

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

The REASON the Republicans didnt have Things under control was because Democrats Voted and Acted in the house and senate out of pure SPITE for the president. Thats how most of them ran there campaigns.

Ill write my comments and be done with this and wait till january and see how the dems handle the first session and how they handle the time until then.

If the far left Demorcrats decide to push ANY agenda besides getting the US out of this war, they will be met with a Very angry American public that Voted solely on the premis(according to most exit polls) that the Dems will FIX the Iraq situation. We shall see. Now IF there agenda is to Beat down the president, Form comitties and sub comitties to try and Smear Bush and play dirty polotics, this will backfire in ways they dont want to imagine. This will sway the Moderate demorcrats over to the Republican side of the spectrum. If Higher Taxes are on the Agenda, you can expect the same thing. IF they decide to totally mess up the Imigration situation, again same thing. And the Biggest thing to remember, For 2 years, Lame Duck or Not, Bush has the FINAL say in everything with the Veto. Biggest thing about that is, even congress can NOT over turn his Veto no matter what. So the Dems have to be very careful and IF they ran there campaigns like most say they did(with intent of ousting and smearing the President because they disslike him) then this country will be at a standstill for 2 years.

#2 Liberman, If he sees that the Dems have a Partisan agenda in mind, he will Go to and bring the needed votes to the republican side. I say IF he sees dirty Polotics happening. So lets not take what he says at face value. Being and independent he wont let them Start that kind of stuff. Dare i say it But Neither will Hillary Clinton, Because as most of you know, If she has any chance of being Prez in 08, It ALL depends on how This House and senete act, she will be damned if she will let palosi and the leftist bunch ruin her chances. If the Republicans Turn out to look to be as the ones wanting to work together yet the dems wont, the 08 election wont turn out the way they want.

Debate on.

Think you got most of that right.  I don't think America is ready for a woman as president, let alone a huge liberal like Hillary.  The Dems refused to work with the Reps on anything in a "bi-partisan manner" while the Reps were majority.  No incentive now for the Reps to work with the Dems while they are the majority.  They would not even help on Social Security reform, so I hope no Dem initiatives receive any Rep support. 

Let the public see how the Dems run things, it'll be perfect runup to 08 with Pelosi yammering on for 2 years.  She's a pro-choice liberal elitist and is the perfect face for the Dem party if they want to push liberal ideology.  In 2004, Pelosi voted against a measure introduced to define a violent attack on a pregnant woman as two distinct crimes: one against the woman herself, and the other against her unborn baby.
Bravo elected Dems.  Enjoy your 2 years of vetoes, that's all your getting.  You won't cut funding for the war because you don't have the balls and the public will realize you lied to them about the one thing you said you'd change.

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

Ok so first off, I would like to say Congratulations to the Democrats, they ran an "interesting" campaign not to the standards I would like, but won fair and square, and with good reasons as well.  But this I would like to know, so what now? What are you going to change? What are you guys going to be rooting for?

1. Are you just going to raise taxes and only confirm activist judges?

2. What are you going to DO about immigration. 

3. What are you going to do about health care that DOES NOT involve raising taxes??

4. How about gun control?  Siding with John Conyers and Pelosi for a Nat'l Handgun ban? Think that'll work? It didn't in D.C.....

5. Abortion?

6. Gay Marriage?

7. Education? Just going to raise taxes as usual?

8. Oh almost forgot Iraq? Phased withdrawl, complete withdrawl.

9. Impeaching proceedings for the Pres? For what exactly, and don't you do say lying or I will direct you to a dictionary.


I've heard enough of your guys' garbage on your ads, now talk about yourselves, your values, and what you plan to support or change now that the ball is in your court.

And don't be extreme, or I'll slap you with a herring.

Thanks for your input and all I can say is Good luck, all eyes are on you now, and now you guys are going to be scrutinized and picked apart just like you did to us when we had majority.

Who pissed in your Post Toasties?  Or are you just angry the Republican era is over? 

1. No, we intend on appointing judges who are fair and balanced, like Fox News.

2.Immigration, well we aren't going to build a 700 mile wall for 2100 miles of border, if that's what you mean.

3.Health care involves raising taxes.  Unless you want the debt to grow even more.  You (Republicans) have cut taxes and have empowered the already wealthy even more.  While the debt has doubled.  You make the call.

4.Gun Control MMMM, to be perfectly honest there are more important things to be handled prior to gun control.  After devising a plan for the Iraqi people to control their own country, getting the debt down, and making health care more affordable.  Oh yea, tracking the dollars spent on the Iraq war to private contractors.  To me lining the pockets of these private contractors is tantamount to treason in my book.

5.Abortion, don't you think in this day and age a woman should have the right to choose?  How can a group of men decide what's best for a woman.  Hell we can't even find the G spot for Christ sakes. 

6.Gay Marriage.  I'm not Gay but I'd like you to stop and think about something.  If you were living with a woman for 20 odd years and her death came suddenly, wouldn't you feel you had a right to have a say in where her belongings went?  I would say Gay men and women are just as capable of love as you or I.  So why shouldn't' they have the same rights?

7.Education, ah a pet peeve of mine.  Let's start with every child left behind, oops no child left behind, sorry.  Education in this country has to be improved.  Again taxes are involved.  Because the same problem exists as before.  We can raise the money to them but we have to pay for it somewhere.  I'd say corporate taxes and taxes on the wealthy need to be raised.

8.Iraq, Now that Rummy is gone the question can be asked again to the Generals, how many troops do you actually need!.  Everything I've heard is that Rumsfeld ran roughshod over the Generals in this area.  In fact he scrapped an active 12 year plan for the invasion of Iraq for his own plan.  Back on topic, first I would allow the Iraqi people to vote on whether they want us there to begin with.  Second, if they want us there, get the private contractors that have been paid to rebuild Iraq back in Iraq because they have not fulfilled their obligation.  Most of the problems arising in Iraq are coming from unrest due to basic needs not being fulfilled, like running water, or electricity.  Third, boost the troop level to 250,000 so no one in the military will feel they are being neglected and don't have the resources needed to do the job at hand.  You know I watched Bush talk about how quickly the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq went, I wish he would put an emphasis on how quickly we can get it rebuilt.  If they want us out, I'd plan for an orderly withdraw.  It's their country, if they don't want our help, why are we there?

9.Your right, we can't Impeach him unless he's committed a crime.  However, he should be brought up on charges of war crimes in relation to torture of prisoners.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6128474.stm

Stingray24 wrote:

GATOR591957 wrote:

5.Abortion, don't you think in this day and age a woman should have the right to choose?  How can a group of men decide what's best for a woman.  Hell we can't even find the G spot for Christ sakes.?

Women also oppose abortion. 

GATOR591957 wrote:

Hell we can't even find the G spot for Christ sakes.?

Speak for yourself, buddy.

GATOR591957 wrote:

6.Gay Marriage.  I'm not Gay but I'd like you to stop and think about something.  If you were living with a woman for 20 odd years and her death came suddenly, wouldn't you feel you had a right to have a say in where her belongings went?  I would say Gay men and women are just as capable of love as you or I.  So why shouldn't' they have the same rights?

Please refer to all the other threads discussing this issue.  If you lived with someone for 20 years or have been married for 20 years . . . medical and durable power of attorney are still necessary to have say over health or monetary decisions.  Otherwise anyone can contest what you're doing.  Not a civil rights issue, common sense succession planning would meet their needs just fine.

However Women aren't making the laws on abortion.

As I said an unexpected death.  Most people don't consider estate planning until there is a problem.

kr@cker wrote:

while we may never see an end to the abortion debate as a whole (though there is ample weight to the argument against RoevWade's constitutionality), my main beef right now is with late term partial birth abortions. a truly disgusting act involving inducing a breach birth and severing the child's spinal cord with scissors, then slurping it's skull empty with a vacuum. once you see some diagrams and pics on it (i won't post them for the sake of the young'uns that abound) and think that this is done at an age in which the child can have hiccups, suck it's thumb, even survive if born prematurely you kind of wonder what the point of leaving the child's head in the womb while powering up the hoover is in the first place. why not just complete birthing and spike it like the winning superbowl touchdown?

I agree whole heartedly with you on late term abortions.  However, I am not a woman, and in what circumstance should it be allowed.  So much grey area and not enough grey matter.

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

Conclusion to Alberts OP : he's extremely pissed, now that his right wing, yes his right wing cronies can no longer pass bills without judgement or limits.  It's clear that after reading through the OP he is extremely stereotypical, skeptical, disrespectful, and has almost no positive judgement whatsoever about the democratic party representitives.

Good luck to your president as well.  Now that he can no longer approve fucked up bills which have fucked up the country, maybe we can finally do something in Washington for a change.

Sorry you lost.  We know it's our turn, that's why we ran in the first place.  Please stop acting like we think otherwise.

I'm pissed? No, you don't even know me, and I'm not pissed, your just very assumptious it seems.  I threw in some humor in there to try to get some answers out of you Dems which seems to be very hard sometimes.  Once again you use the term right wing cronies, your amazing Spearhead, I think your paranoid.

I love this part

He is (Albert) stereotypical, skeptical, disrespectful, and has almost no positive judgement whatsoever about the democratic party representitives.

Wow, that is saying a lot since I actually do give respect when it is due, I have lots of positive judgement, you just have failed to ask me, and actually converse with me, you have gone down to the level of personal attacks, for which I feel sorry that you had to do.  I don't understand why you did that but whatever dude, I am NOT sterotypical, I take everyone's opinion as their own, not of a party.  You need to not overgeneralize me, once again.

And it seems to me, mainly that you are the one that is pissed me friend.

Good luck to your president as well.  Now that he can no longer approve fucked up bills which have fucked up the country, maybe we can finally do something in Washington for a change.

I hope you have a good day and I hope you can see that I am not trying to be mean, but just to get answers from the left, of which you are not a very good representative.

12 hours after the election you already started asking questions (rather rudely) about what the Democrats are going to do about things Republicans already F'ed up on.  I notice you didn't give answers to my comments about your questions, thats because the questions themselves were stereotypical, biased, and disrespectful.  I respect conservatives, but when someone posts something as obviously partisan and disrespectful as your OP, then it crosses the line.  I think it's quite clear, if you read your OP, that your judgement is very biased and very negatively directed towards the left.

I'm sorry if I misread your tone, but if you ask a rude, ill-mannered question, expect a rude, ill mannered answer.

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-11-09 16:59:02)