Sweden has an armed force? Wow, I better enlist in the Armed Forces and prepare to defend myself. Tell me, do y'all launch meatballs at the eneny before your attack?Nehil wrote:
Well for one thing we dont invade %random country%. We do donate money but I can't give you any numbers (yet). If you checked out the page I linked to earlier you can see that if you had not started the war in Iraq you could have fully funded the world-wide AIDS programs for 22 years. Instead you drink your beer and eat your freedom fries. Sure you do some (minimal) good in the world, but that ain't the presidents doing. I'll be back after my patriotic meal of freedom toast, until then please don't invade any other country even tho you have the biggest hardon for war.wannabe_tank_whore wrote:
So now I turn it to you, what has your country done? Again, silence...
About WWII here.
US is an agressor in WWII? WTH? I was born in Russia, and my grandfather was on this war. I would like to say that yes, lend-lease program helped alot. ALOT. I'm not sure but I think there is a role of all these supplies in developping one of the keys to victory: T-34. + opening the second front in France significantly reduced pressure on Eastern front. Agressor in WWII? No..... Victim? Yes..... All Allies were victims on this war. AND THE WON IT TOGETHER. Sure someone played bigger role, someone not, but you must remember that all these soldiers were brothers. And all of them were working on the same goal. To win... And to stay alive...
About Nam and Korean war.
Hmmm its hard to say because it was a war between USSR and USA actually, so who is agressor here and who is not? The fact that US sent troops to these 3rd world countries doesnt prove that US is an agressor. USSR sent ammunition, so what? I would like to say that both US and USSR were agressors there. They just divided all world and wouldnt let oter countries to decide what to do by themselves.
I will not talk about 1st war in Iraq because I couldnt remember what happend. Mostly information were hided from mass there.
But I want to say about this 2nd war.(local conflict). I dont know what do you people think here in the US, but I know that biggest part of the World consider US as an agressor here. I'm in the US now (studying rofl ) and I see that the reasons which US government gives to us (Nuclear weapons etc.) are totally bs. Only fact that US pressed on UN to start this stupid war shows an agression of the US government. I can tell you the reasons that I think started the war:
1. Oil (due to oil crisis this war can be profitable because of Iraqi Oil stations).
2. To spend money. (Why? Because euro is capturing the lead over the US dollar now. And because of economic reasons you have to spend some money to hold the $ price on the World Market)
3. To show the power.
4. Well I guess its Anti-Terror war.
Thats the way I see it. Sure I respect all this guys who are there in Iraq, I will do the same if called.
I'm sure all of us know about Chechnya war in Russia. It seems to me that the same situation is starting in Iraq. So on the daytime everyone is peaceful, on the nighttime everyone is with AK-74. Thats really scared. And US government will send more and more troops there, but they will meet more and more opposition. I dont like this war and think that US shouldnt start it. In my eyes US government shows an act of agression here. US GOVERNMENT, not US PEOPLE. Because alot of ppl against this war. So, other who say to someone you are an agressor because of country where you live, just 10 yrs. old or sitting infront of his comp all day and dont know whats happening in the World.
So, my point is even if we here think that we arent agressors, at least a half of the world think that we definetly are. Not WE as US people, but WE as US GOVERNMENT. And there is nothing you can do about it.
Plz dont punish me if you disagree, its just the way it is and its just my opinion.
GL HF
US is an agressor in WWII? WTH? I was born in Russia, and my grandfather was on this war. I would like to say that yes, lend-lease program helped alot. ALOT. I'm not sure but I think there is a role of all these supplies in developping one of the keys to victory: T-34. + opening the second front in France significantly reduced pressure on Eastern front. Agressor in WWII? No..... Victim? Yes..... All Allies were victims on this war. AND THE WON IT TOGETHER. Sure someone played bigger role, someone not, but you must remember that all these soldiers were brothers. And all of them were working on the same goal. To win... And to stay alive...
About Nam and Korean war.
Hmmm its hard to say because it was a war between USSR and USA actually, so who is agressor here and who is not? The fact that US sent troops to these 3rd world countries doesnt prove that US is an agressor. USSR sent ammunition, so what? I would like to say that both US and USSR were agressors there. They just divided all world and wouldnt let oter countries to decide what to do by themselves.
I will not talk about 1st war in Iraq because I couldnt remember what happend. Mostly information were hided from mass there.
But I want to say about this 2nd war.(local conflict). I dont know what do you people think here in the US, but I know that biggest part of the World consider US as an agressor here. I'm in the US now (studying rofl ) and I see that the reasons which US government gives to us (Nuclear weapons etc.) are totally bs. Only fact that US pressed on UN to start this stupid war shows an agression of the US government. I can tell you the reasons that I think started the war:
1. Oil (due to oil crisis this war can be profitable because of Iraqi Oil stations).
2. To spend money. (Why? Because euro is capturing the lead over the US dollar now. And because of economic reasons you have to spend some money to hold the $ price on the World Market)
3. To show the power.
4. Well I guess its Anti-Terror war.
Thats the way I see it. Sure I respect all this guys who are there in Iraq, I will do the same if called.
I'm sure all of us know about Chechnya war in Russia. It seems to me that the same situation is starting in Iraq. So on the daytime everyone is peaceful, on the nighttime everyone is with AK-74. Thats really scared. And US government will send more and more troops there, but they will meet more and more opposition. I dont like this war and think that US shouldnt start it. In my eyes US government shows an act of agression here. US GOVERNMENT, not US PEOPLE. Because alot of ppl against this war. So, other who say to someone you are an agressor because of country where you live, just 10 yrs. old or sitting infront of his comp all day and dont know whats happening in the World.
So, my point is even if we here think that we arent agressors, at least a half of the world think that we definetly are. Not WE as US people, but WE as US GOVERNMENT. And there is nothing you can do about it.
Plz dont punish me if you disagree, its just the way it is and its just my opinion.
GL HF
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Well, oh shit. Back to basics with you americans I see. Read your own text first, you might notice the word "game" and it equals "not reality". So becuse I'm not violent I can't play a game that involves violence? Is it better to bottle up my anger until it explodes? For the record I can't remind ever breaking anything out of anger. Becuse all I do when I get my ass whopped is think: -Damn, I'm gonna get that guy next time. Ain't it better to play a game instead of going on a crusade for oi...I mean freedom?wannabe_tank_whore wrote:
I find it terribly ironic that an anti-war person plays a game based on war where the objective is to kill your opponent to secure a control point...Nehil wrote:
Well for one thing we dont invade %random country%. We do donate money but I can't give you any numbers (yet). If you checked out the page I linked to earlier you can see that if you had not started the war in Iraq you could have fully funded the world-wide AIDS programs for 22 years. Instead you drink your beer and eat your freedom fries. Sure you do some (minimal) good in the world, but that ain't the presidents doing. I'll be back after my patriotic meal of freedom toast, until then please don't invade any other country even tho you have the biggest hardon for war.wannabe_tank_whore wrote:
So now I turn it to you, what has your country done? Again, silence...
not treated good? that's what you call it? wow, you have even more to learn than i thought, i'm embarrased for you after reading that post. now you say the "infrastructure is fucked up now. your going to mess up the country and leave it." yet a few posts back you were saying that we need to leave, should have never been there in the first place...the double talk continues...and the Vietnam issue was addressed earlier, might do you some good to go read that again, but to sum it up for you, there is absolutely no comparison between the issue at hand and vietnam, you'd have to be severely uneducated or ignorant to the facts to think there is, or better yet maybe you're just jumping on the bandwagon which indicates the same. make sure when you try to make a point that you understand what you are saying, we didn't invade Iraq as a country, we invaded Saddam's regime, we are not holding Iraq hostage, we are not in positive control of Iraq, we did not declare the country ours, we simply ousted a genocidal dictator that should have been taken care of 14 years ago (cleaning up some unfinished business, so to speak)...in fact, we are working WITH the Iraqi government to try and help them establish a fair, humane government, one in which they won't have to fear for their live because of their religous beliefs (which is a enormous part of their lives)...so again I urge you to go and do some research before making obsurd, ridiculous comments which you believe to be true (probably based on a 2 paragraph aritcle you *read* somewhere), even better yet how about you do something to "help" the world (as you put it) other than sending your $5/year to your favorite charityNehil wrote:
About the treatment of civilians in Iraq, it's true they were not treated good. Heard that 1/3 of the Iraq population think that it was better when Saddam ruled then today? Maybe that's becuse over 10.000 civilians were killed, thats 3 times your horrible 911. So does that mean they can start 6 diffrent wars? (Iraq&Afghanistanx3) Or maybe you fucked up the contry? There are suicide bombings every day, shootings in the streets. The whole infrastructure is fucked up now. Your going to mess up the country and leave it. Heard of Vietnam? And helping out countrys and invading them is not the same thing, not matter what you americans think. Get off your fat asses and take a look around, the world is on fire, buring under the siege of USA. A crusade for oil under the name of "Freedom Inc." Take your freedom fries and shove it.
Well, you are right, the US made a difference for the better during the Second World War. Sure as hell, but ask any of your old relatives why they fought in WWII. If they say that they did it for the jews they are lying. They didn't know the jews were being slaughterd in those days. Only during the closing days of the war these deathcamps were discoverd. Please don't glorify your ancestors and I won't insult them (I hope I never have insulted them).KillerAFET wrote:
Yep, we're the aggressor alright. After all, we invaded France in 1917 and 1944, Germany in 1818 and 1944. Damn we Yankee Imperialists for interfering in the Eurpoean wars. Damn us for stopping German U-Boats from starving the English twice. We should be brought up on charges in the World Court for ridding Norway of Quisling and France of the Vishay.
Damn, we should be punished for supplying Europe with arms and raw materials during the Second World War. The Brits flying P-51 Mustangs, B-24 bombers, C-47 transports, defending their coasts using surplus American destroyers and feeding them as well. Shame on us. The Soviets also received supplies from us at great cost. Too bad we Americans still hold territiories in Europe. No wait, they're called cemetaries holding the dead of the aggressor.
France?? Really?? Thought the French lost in June 1940, scuttled their fleet to keep it from falling into German hands. Thanks goodness the French were there for the Normandy invasion. No, wait, that was England, USA, and Canada! Also, thank goodness France left Indo-China in 1954 as a winner. No, wait, they left after their nose was bloodied at Dien Bien Fu and allowed the communists to take another country.
To make things worse, after the war those damned Americans sent tons of food to Europe in CARE packages, kept the Soviets from taking Berlin by making an air bridge of supplies for 18 months, funding the rebuild of Europe to the tune of billions of 1946 American dollars. After all, we bombed Germany, we were responsible for rebuilding it. Tell me, what side of Germany was more prosperous in 1985 - East or West?
Coral Sea was before Midway by the way. Was the first naval battle where ships did not engage, only the aircraft.
Sweden has an armed force? Wow, I better enlist in the Armed Forces and prepare to defend myself. Tell me, do y'all launch meatballs at the eneny before your attack?
But you should have stayed out of Vietnam, that's for sure. And stayed out of Chile. And I read that today 4/10 former EGs said that it was better in the old days (when the wall was there). But sure, West was more prosperus, but that's becuse it was open and not ruled by a facist country (USSR). OH HOLY SHIT WAS STALIN FACIST!? Yes, he was, he wasn't any commie. That I can promise you as the true commie I am. "-Nooooway!" You say, he called himselft a commie! But if I would go around and call myself a republican/democrat and murder random people would that make all republicans/democrats murders? Or be pro-murder? No fuck no, that would make me a idiot. And that was what Stalin was, a murderer and a idiot.
Last of all to the "Sweden has an armed force? Wow, I better enlist in the Armed Forces and prepare to defend myself. Tell me, do y'all launch meatballs at the eneny before your attack?" thing:
Yes, yes and yes.
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I don't even send five bucks. I don't send anything. Alright, lets cut to the case. First of all, I ALWAYS know what Iam talking about, do you think I take a shot and post in a random thread? And second, about leaving/not leaving Iraq. You should leave NOW and pay a lot of money to the Iraq government to make up for the mess you cause. Do you really think that any Iraq is safe today? Sure as hell not, neither did they some years ago, Im not defending Saddam. He ought to rot in prison. Oh, about the invasion...If say I would rule Sweden and start dropping bombs on the White House and later ditch some infantry and tanks on the coasts and say I'm not invading the US only the government, would that be ok? And you can't use your army, hell I'm not even attacking you! My soldiers are! Stop saying that you didin't invade Iraq cuse you did, you have your fucking army there now! "Buuhuu! We are co-operating with the Iraq government!" Well if I would take over the US and kill eveyone in the Senate and Bush and install my own little marionett as president would that make me/him have the support of the people? I'd have to take the 50/50 here and say NO. Please go cry under your bed now and go out and make the world a better place tomorrow.||BFA||xZeler8 wrote:
not treated good? that's what you call it? wow, you have even more to learn than i thought, i'm embarrased for you after reading that post. now you say the "infrastructure is fucked up now. your going to mess up the country and leave it." yet a few posts back you were saying that we need to leave, should have never been there in the first place...the double talk continues...and the Vietnam issue was addressed earlier, might do you some good to go read that again, but to sum it up for you, there is absolutely no comparison between the issue at hand and vietnam, you'd have to be severely uneducated or ignorant to the facts to think there is, or better yet maybe you're just jumping on the bandwagon which indicates the same. make sure when you try to make a point that you understand what you are saying, we didn't invade Iraq as a country, we invaded Saddam's regime, we are not holding Iraq hostage, we are not in positive control of Iraq, we did not declare the country ours, we simply ousted a genocidal dictator that should have been taken care of 14 years ago (cleaning up some unfinished business, so to speak)...in fact, we are working WITH the Iraqi government to try and help them establish a fair, humane government, one in which they won't have to fear for their live because of their religous beliefs (which is a enormous part of their lives)...so again I urge you to go and do some research before making obsurd, ridiculous comments which you believe to be true (probably based on a 2 paragraph aritcle you *read* somewhere), even better yet how about you do something to "help" the world (as you put it) other than sending your $5/year to your favorite charityNehil wrote:
About the treatment of civilians in Iraq, it's true they were not treated good. Heard that 1/3 of the Iraq population think that it was better when Saddam ruled then today? Maybe that's becuse over 10.000 civilians were killed, thats 3 times your horrible 911. So does that mean they can start 6 diffrent wars? (Iraq&Afghanistanx3) Or maybe you fucked up the contry? There are suicide bombings every day, shootings in the streets. The whole infrastructure is fucked up now. Your going to mess up the country and leave it. Heard of Vietnam? And helping out countrys and invading them is not the same thing, not matter what you americans think. Get off your fat asses and take a look around, the world is on fire, buring under the siege of USA. A crusade for oil under the name of "Freedom Inc." Take your freedom fries and shove it.
1234BGD and Nehil: Wow, you guys really hate America. Well, I can't speak for other Americans, but, personally, I could care less. We'll see what you think if you ever need our help.
Everyone else: There is no point continuing this argument. These guys will never quit hating us, so why waste the time.
Everyone else: There is no point continuing this argument. These guys will never quit hating us, so why waste the time.
When, did I say that I hate America? I just disagree with the way you act. If that is hate nowdays then ok, if not I don't hate America. Please read the whole thread. You should care tho, we are the mirror that reflects the things you do so you can see it. If others say you are doing wrong there must be some reason, stop to think about it.atlvolunteer wrote:
1234BGD and Nehil: Wow, you guys really hate America. Well, I can't speak for other Americans, but, personally, I could care less. We'll see what you think if you ever need our help.
Everyone else: There is no point continuing this argument. These guys will never quit hating us, so why waste the time.
i must, as a german, admit that we ARE thankful that the US forces kicked Hitlers ass. however, looking at Iraq, the US (in my opinion!!!!) made a huge mistake........first of all, what this entire shit about the "Weapons of mass Destruction"??? they were never found.......see, i would have had no problem with the Us going into Ieaq if they would have been honest about their reasons for going there. if bush would have said " we need oil. saddam sux, and this piece-of-shit country is full of terrorists" i would totally agree with invading the country, but this whole lying that the US government is doing is not very much appreciated ( at least in germany)
btw, the americans couldn't have hated the germans so much during the 2nd WW since they took a couple of rocket scientists ( u know exactly who i mean!!!!) to the Us and let them develop their rockets there.........
[sry for spelling mistakes]
btw, the americans couldn't have hated the germans so much during the 2nd WW since they took a couple of rocket scientists ( u know exactly who i mean!!!!) to the Us and let them develop their rockets there.........
[sry for spelling mistakes]
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I apologize for not reading the thread and thus not seeing if this has been posted or not:Horseman 77 wrote:
I think if we stayed out of World War Two life in the states wouldn't have been that much different for U.S. citizens and we wouldn't be fighting this war now.
If the US had stayed out of WW2 life would be very, very, very different. For starters it would've taken decades to get out of the Great Depression; entering the war is what saved this country from the kind of complete economic collapse that Germany suffered and led it to vote in Hitler in the first place.
A wide variety of discoveries and inventions were the result of the war. Aviation, communications, medicine, manufacturing technology, and a whole slew of other fields greatly benefited from the advances brought about by the war.
Europe would've been decimated. No question about it, the United States Armed Forces saved Europe from complete annihilation. The US would've had to fight off the Germans after gaining the resources of every nation in Europe as well as their Japanese allies who would've brutally conquered other nations in the orient.
You're right, we probably wouldn't be fighting this war right now because had the Germans had time to develope the atomic bomb they were working on there wouldn't be that many people left alive on the planet to fight a war in the mid east.
Yes, the US has been a major aggressor in the past century, moreso than any other nation. We average a war every few years in our short history. Some justified, some not so much. Regardless of your opinion on the current war, no one can deny that virtually every country in the world has benefited from the US military presence. The only reason that so many countries in Europe are able to enjoy their social programs is because they're comforted in a blanket of safety provided by a nation that spends half a trillion dollars per year on defense. If not for the US then France, Britain, Spain, Italy, Poland, Belgium, Sweden, and every other country in the EU as well as every free country in the world would be forced to either grossly raise taxes or drastically reduce social programs to maintain a decent military.
European socialists tend to gloss over this little tidbit.
Hey Horseman, quite surprised my responce would spark another thread.
Please do not get me wrong, by what I said, I didn't mean that all military actions performed (covert and open) by the U.S. have had nothing but a negative effect on the world as a whole. My family and I are able to live in the very free and tolerant nation of Holland which undoubtedly wouldn't have been so free and tolerant were it not for the actions of the U.S. and other countries in WWI/WWII.
What i do mean is that the U.S. or any other country participating, for that matter, wouldn't have lifted a finger were it not to protect their own interests and powerbases.
What sets the U.S. aside from other countries however (from my perspective), is that the U.S. have repeatedly gone out to war, often on a basis of lies (Iraq is a very fine example hereof, i think) to gather and protect profits for who(m?)ever really rules the U.S.
How's this for ''angry 3rd world flavor'' <<copied and pasted for that authentic ''Only World flavor''.
p.s. my apologies for any misspellings, grammatical errors and the such, I honestly thought ''The United States'' were/are/is/be plural and would therefore merit the use of ''have'', hope this is not why you ASSumed I would be from a dusty, houses-built-with-dung, people-having-sex-with-animals-that-go-b-a-a-a-a-a-a-country.
*edit* I was anxious to reply, so I skipped all other posts after reading your first two. Hope I didn't repeat anything that has already been covered.
Please do not get me wrong, by what I said, I didn't mean that all military actions performed (covert and open) by the U.S. have had nothing but a negative effect on the world as a whole. My family and I are able to live in the very free and tolerant nation of Holland which undoubtedly wouldn't have been so free and tolerant were it not for the actions of the U.S. and other countries in WWI/WWII.
What i do mean is that the U.S. or any other country participating, for that matter, wouldn't have lifted a finger were it not to protect their own interests and powerbases.
What sets the U.S. aside from other countries however (from my perspective), is that the U.S. have repeatedly gone out to war, often on a basis of lies (Iraq is a very fine example hereof, i think) to gather and protect profits for who(m?)ever really rules the U.S.
How's this for ''angry 3rd world flavor'' <<copied and pasted for that authentic ''Only World flavor''.
p.s. my apologies for any misspellings, grammatical errors and the such, I honestly thought ''The United States'' were/are/is/be plural and would therefore merit the use of ''have'', hope this is not why you ASSumed I would be from a dusty, houses-built-with-dung, people-having-sex-with-animals-that-go-b-a-a-a-a-a-a-country.
*edit* I was anxious to reply, so I skipped all other posts after reading your first two. Hope I didn't repeat anything that has already been covered.
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Can you say Werner von Braun???[S.P.S]1on1killa wrote:
btw, the americans couldn't have hated the germans so much during the 2nd WW since they took a couple of rocket scientists ( u know exactly who i mean!!!!) to the Us and let them develop their rockets there.........
yes i can: "WERNER VON BRAUN"............good?
hahaha wtfbtw, the americans couldn't have hated the germans so much during the 2nd WW since they took a couple of rocket scientists ( u know exactly who i mean!!!!) to the Us and let them develop their rockets there.........
It wasn't a fucking foreign exchange program; Einstein and others escaped from the brutal rule of an evil nation.
Very.[S.P.S]1on1killa wrote:
yes i can: "WERNER VON BRAUN"............good?
these scientists had a good live in germany, since the government cared about their work........but hey, dont get mad about it, its all history, nuthin' to freak out about......
We can't be sure what kind of life they had. But considering they escaped from there to work for the Americans at great risk to their own lives it's safe to assume that they felt it was a pretty shitty place to live.[S.P.S]1on1killa wrote:
these scientists had a good live in germany, since the government cared about their work........but hey, dont get mad about it, its all history, nuthin' to freak out about......
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maybe, but than consider the fact that they, the scientists, did not escape from germaný, as they were "escorted" out of germany by the US troops........also, what r your thoughts on the Us waiting for so long till they interferred in the war???
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Yes, they were escorted out - most of them after having requested asylum. It's only natural that the military would want to protect these guys considering how valuable an asset they were. Scientists weren't kidnapped from Germany to work on the American bomb program, they were given the choice to leave an evil place run by evil men.
The US didn't really wait that long before entering the war. The US sent supplies, equipment, lent analysts and strategists, and helped in a variety of other ways before actually sending in troops.
The US didn't really wait that long before entering the war. The US sent supplies, equipment, lent analysts and strategists, and helped in a variety of other ways before actually sending in troops.
i dont quite agree with your points, but you probably have your reasons for saying that (no offence intended)
Einstein was a Jew. If he invented free electricity the Nazis would have used that power to fry him instead of gassing him. He and others like Enrico Fermi and Edward Teller escaped in the 1930s because they saw what others had not yet seen.[S.P.S]1on1killa wrote:
these scientists had a good live in germany, since the government cared about their work........but hey, dont get mad about it, its all history, nuthin' to freak out about......
Von Braun was under Gestapo surveilance until the very end because he wanted to use rockets for science and not war. He was arrested in early 1945 for that very same reason.
And, as you detesters of American might, scientific prowess, and economic strength, play on an American designed CPU chip, use the telephone, watch television, fly an airplane, or use ANY device that used the semi-conductor, remember where it came from. Don't hate a system where there's opportunity for anyone that works hard. I forgot again, who invented the internet you use to slam Americans on?
Wow, I forgot that Iraq was a terrorist training center that used poison gas on their own people. So sad that we aggressed on to the Islamo-terrorists after they killed over 3000 Americans, Italians, Spanish, French, English, Swedish, Polish, Japanese, etc. innocents working at the World Trade Center in New York
Sure, many folks hate America because they don't have the same options as the Americans do but remember who helped the Tsunami victims the most, who had the might to airlift tons of supplies to the victims of Afghani earthquakes and who had the power to stop the suffering and torture in Iraq.
PLEASE EVERY AMERICAN, REPEAT AFTER ME:
2 FRIGGING DIVISIONS
That's what the Almighty USA, Canada and (Not so) Great Britan fought against in Normandy. While over
40 FUCKING DIVISIONS fought the Russians. That's over 80%.
I'm not trying to ignore the war efforts mabe by the USA. But the WAR WOULD HAVE BEEN WON WITHOUT USA. It would have lasted 2 or 3 years more and more live would have been lost, that's for sure. But do you really think you KILLED EVERY GERMAN YOURSELVES? Fuck no I say. Russia was the no.1 nation in most lives lost during WWII, second was Poland. PLEASE DONT EXAGGERATE THE US WAR EFFORT. Now flame me.
2 FRIGGING DIVISIONS
That's what the Almighty USA, Canada and (Not so) Great Britan fought against in Normandy. While over
40 FUCKING DIVISIONS fought the Russians. That's over 80%.
I'm not trying to ignore the war efforts mabe by the USA. But the WAR WOULD HAVE BEEN WON WITHOUT USA. It would have lasted 2 or 3 years more and more live would have been lost, that's for sure. But do you really think you KILLED EVERY GERMAN YOURSELVES? Fuck no I say. Russia was the no.1 nation in most lives lost during WWII, second was Poland. PLEASE DONT EXAGGERATE THE US WAR EFFORT. Now flame me.
Which point? That the Germans of the time that supported the Nazi party were evil, disgusting human beings that should feel guilt for the rest of their natural lives? Or that without the US everyone on this forum would be speaking German or Japanese?[S.P.S]1on1killa wrote:
i dont quite agree with your points, but you probably have your reasons for saying that (no offence intended)
Just because the Russians lost more lives does not mean the Russians were responsible for ending the war. It just means the Americans had the better military.Nehil wrote:
PLEASE EVERY AMERICAN, REPEAT AFTER ME:
2 FRIGGING DIVISIONS
That's what the Almighty USA, Canada and (Not so) Great Britan fought against in Normandy. While over
40 FUCKING DIVISIONS fought the Russians. That's over 80%.
I'm not trying to ignore the war efforts mabe by the USA. But the WAR WOULD HAVE BEEN WON WITHOUT USA. It would have lasted 2 or 3 years more and more live would have been lost, that's for sure. But do you really think you KILLED EVERY GERMAN YOURSELVES? Fuck no I say. Russia was the no.1 nation in most lives lost during WWII, second was Poland. PLEASE DONT EXAGGERATE THE US WAR EFFORT. Now flame me.
The war would not have been won without the US because if Hitler had been granted another couple years he would've likely had the technology to drop an atomic bomb wherever he damn well pleased. No one can deny the sacrifice that the Polish and Russian troops made to defend the world, no one. No one can deny the sacrifices of the Americans or the Canadians or the British and no one can deny the intense pussification and cowardly backstabbing of the French. But you can't deny that the Russians, the Polish, the British, and Europe as a whole was losing the war until the United States joined it.