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CameronPoe wrote:

My final remark regarding the video is this:

The people who are 'radical islamists' are nutters and they have to be dealt with. Dealing with them using bombs and bullets CREATES MORE OF THEM. People don't become radical islamists for no reason. We must address the reasons why it is on the rise. The west supporting Israel gives the leaders the perfect excuse to galvanise their subjects against us. Meddling in the middle east and supporting dictators is another reason. WE MUST CHANGE OUR WAYS. When we have it will die away. When someones standard of living improves they are less likely to engage in stupid acts of self-sacrifice and conversion to radical islam because ALL HUMANS ARE BY NATURE SELFISH (to varying degrees). Nobody would join the IRA these days because we have it too easy. Life is too comfortable because the oppression has been taken away to a large extent (in Northern Ireland that is). Do the same in the middle east and you will get the same result. My recent trip to Turkey was very enlightening. The Turks have it good. Their standard of living is just like ours. Turkey is just like Europe or USA, and yet it is an islamic country. Women in hijabs walk hand in hand with their boyfriends down the street, kissing and cuddling, wearing trendy modern clothing. And yet when the call to prayer comes everyone gets their prayer mat out. We need to improve the lives of those in the midst of radical islam and remove the impediments to improvements in their lives so that they can become the New Turks. The Turks made their own country. We need to let them do the same. They'll sort themselves out in the end if they aren't being exploited or meddled with by western powers. We just need a few modern Ataturks!

If remnants of this cult remain then we annihilate them with brutal force.

THIS RABBLE POSE LITTLE THREAT TO THE WEST. What do you think we are? Pansies? Did we not come through WWI? WWII? We are made of sterner stuff. You guys need to stop fucking quaking in your boots. This anti-islam propaganda is reaching nazi era anti-jew proportions and it frightens me. It frightens me more than radical islam that's for sure.

CameronPoe wrote:

The people who are 'radical islamists' are nutters and they have to be dealt with. Dealing with them using bombs and bullets CREATES MORE OF THEM. People don't become radical islamists for no reason.  We must address the reasons why it is on the rise.  The west supporting Israel gives the leaders the perfect excuse to galvanise their subjects against us. Meddling in the middle east and supporting dictators is another reason. WE MUST CHANGE OUR WAYS. When we have it will die away. When someones standard of living improves they are less likely to engage in stupid acts of self-sacrifice and conversion to radical islam because ALL HUMANS ARE BY NATURE SELFISH (to varying degrees). . . . We are made of sterner stuff. You guys need to stop fucking quaking in your boots. This anti-islam propaganda is reaching nazi era anti-jew proportions and it frightens me. It frightens me more than radical islam that's for sure.

vedds wrote:

Kmarion you are pushing shit uphill to get anyone to consider the video,
Poe had posted how ridiculous it was AND edited his post before he had time to have watched it.

They simply will not even watch the thing before they debate it, kind of defeats the purpose. SO I was thinking Id just post a thread entitled I disagree with Liberals and let them go at it, cuts out the messy bit about debating the points raised.

vedds wrote:

I read the rest of the thread.

Thats not my point, You posted how crap the video was 6:27 after the OP, so at best you had seen less than half the video.

At least watch the damn thing before you post the standard replies to this sort of topic

Snipedya14 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Snipedya14 wrote:

Ok you made your point they are all evil people out to get us....

Whats the solution, mass genocide? Round em up and kill them?

I see scare tactics nothing more.

No sir not my point. Read the first few sentences in the video when it starts.

I see the text,

You are missing my points.

We know the problem. We need solutions. Agian is killing them the only way to deal with them? Will a physical war be effective? I dont know, I really dont think anyone knows. But instead of making a film to scare the masses, people should be giving their resources to help contribute to a fix.

CameronPoe wrote:

Trust Lowing to make a counterpoint consisting solely of an assumption about what kinds of things the person he is arguing with watches at the movies.

vedds wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Trust Lowing to make a counterpoint consisting solely of an assumption about what kinds of things the person he is arguing with watches at the movies.

Dont really see how its any different to you making an assumption about the video before you viewed it.

For the record, I dont care about the content, just the arrogance.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-11-01 16:18:14)

lowing wrote:

Snipedya14 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

No sir not my point. Read the first few sentences in the video when it starts.

I see the text,

You are missing my points.

We know the problem. We need solutions. Agian is killing them the only way to deal with them? Will a physical war be effective? I dont know, I really dont think anyone knows. But instead of making a film to scare the masses, people should be giving their resources to help contribute to a fix.

Ohhhhhh I get it, THIS video is scare tactics, and tripe, but shit like Fahrenheit 911 and all the 911 conspiracy videos is gospel, made to INFORM us of the real problems.

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2006-11-01 16:22:29)

Stingray24 wrote:

our military is more than capable of taking care of these nutjobs

CameronPoe wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Once again you're advocating isolationism as the solution.  It doesn't work.

Backing off does not have to mean isolationism. You are being too extreme. We do live in a global village after all.

Stingray24 wrote:

Since using bombs and bullets don't work against radical Islamic terrorists who aim to kill us, what does?  Talking?  Laying down arms for bullshit diplomacy while we're getting killed because the terrorists haven't laid down their weapons?  Not a solution I'm going to sign up for.

Actions work, not words. They have zero trust in the west and why would they - all we've done is cause them pain and support their enemies and their brutal dictators. We need to demonstrate a new 'western' attitude free of hypocrisy and balanced towards all parties and players.

PS Decent homeland security will prevent 'getting killed' by 'terrorists' that 'haven't laid down their weapons'. Newsflash: THERE WILL ALWAYS BE TERRORISTS AND THERE WILL ALWAYS BE WEAPONS FOR THEM TO WIELD. What you are proposing is perpetual war. No thanks.

Stingray24 wrote:

I am not "quaking in my boots" either, our military is more than capable of taking care of these nutjobs if we'll let them and recognize the threat that exists.  But you don't want to use bombs and bullets. I'd much rather take the hurt to them now than be forced to fight them closer to home later.  We need to fight radical Islam, not hope it goes away.  Even if the west eliminated every kind of support for Israel and never touch another grain of sand in the Middle East, radical islam will still exist.  Improving people economically will stop terrorism?   Oh, you were serious.  Money is the solution? That's just funny.  They're getting tons of money from Iran and they're spending it on weapons.  W E A P O N S.

Hilarious reasoning on your part. Nice one. Who are these 'nutjobs'? Where do these 'nutjobs' live? Are you sure you can kill every last single 'nutjob' in the world with your bombs and bullets? It's easy to kill a man, it's almost impossible to kill an IDEOLOGY. Treat the CAUSE not the symptom. What prompts people to turn to radical islam? I know blowing the shit out your relatives can drive you to desperate measures. Your bombs and bullets idea is for END-GAME. We are not at end-game yet. We are at fault and they are at fault. We need to remove any excuses they have for their ridiculous behaviour to absolve us of guilt when we CAN THEIR ASSES. You are being premature man. I don't know where you're from but if you saw Northern Ireland decades ago against what it is today you'd have a little faith in my theory. Blind hatred has subsided because people have become comfortable in life. We're all humans. You think muslims come from Venus or something? They want the same things we do.

Stingray24 wrote:

This is not anti-Islam propoganda: I oppose homicidal radical Islamic nutjobs, not all of Islam.  You're attempting to throw that on myself and those of us who want the nutjobs wiped out.  Nice try, though.   The fact that you're more afraid of those of us who support the elimination of radical Islam (which will never be at peace with us) than of radical Islam itself mystifies me.

This is propaganda 101. I take a great interest in group psychology. It's not even subtle. They could have done much better. THe music is really spooky though - where do I sign up for the military?

Last edited by lowing (2006-11-01 16:27:52)

Turquoise wrote:

Hmmm..  the best way I can sum this up is that Islamists and Wahhabists must be silenced or otherwise disposed of in order for the world to progress beyond this point.  Note that I'm not saying all Muslims should be dealt with this way, just the nutjobs.