IRONCHEF
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silo1180 wrote:

I don't even know what to say in reponse to this idiocy...

The prisoner's in Guat are treated as well as US prisoners are.  Their religious believes are respected, they are fed.  How can you even compare being a prisoner there to being beheaded.  And the people there are at least suspected terrorists.  What did Nick Berg or the others do?  They weren't even military!  They were there to try to help make things better, and they were mutilated.

Maybe you should actually see one of the videos, and maybe you should actually do some research to see what the actual "cause of death" was for the prisoners in Guat.  It sickens me that you could try to lessen this atrocity with this comparison.
1) I've not lessened the attrocious beheading of Nick Berg at all.  And yes, I've watched it a couple times.  Further, I realize how utterly evil it is.

2) I have brought the comparison of what has happened to our detainees because their deaths are JUST AS SAD and SICKENING as Nick Bergs.  I also compared the idiocy of Nick Berg voluntarily going to Iraq vs. the regular iraqi's yanked from their homes and detained without ANY rights whatsoever..and then being tortured endlessly for years...then beaten to death.  I don't know about you, but I'd take Nick Berg's beheading which cost him about a minute or two of pain, respectively, vs. the detainee's death.  We all saw Nick sitting their calmly as the jihadists read their BS on the film, then with surprise, they pulled the knife, and sawed away.  Two minutes vs. two years?  Hell yes I'd take the two minutes.

Maybe if you saw film of what our detainees go through, you'd think otherwise.  And as for your ignorant assertion that prisoners at "Guat" [gitmo?] are treated humanely and that they're all "suspected terrorists", YOU need to study.  I actually know what I'm talking about because I know actual attorneys who sit within 50 feet of me who represent some detainees...people who have nothing to do with anything bad simply yanked from their homes and thrown in a prison somewhere in the world.
tiptopT
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silo1180 wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

You know, to be devil's advocate here a little...

I'm seeing alot of people describe the berg beheading video (if it was correctly attributed to be the actual decapitation death he suffered) gruesome, the killers being monsters, and the like.

But then I started thinking of nameless "detainees" who've suffered much more abuse, greater pain threshold over a longer period of time, and possibly greater mental or psychological suffering...under the hands of US service men and women.  I'm guessing the al quaeda killings are more hated because they're the enemy, and he was killing an american who foolishly volunteered to go to Iraq. 

But think for a minute if your brother was snagged from your home after an ulawful entry by force and you didn't hear from him for 2 years, then suddenly a box is dropped off at your door with the remains of your brother..or worse, a letter sent saying your brother is dead [blah blah blah, lie, lie, lie] and his remains have been left at a morque.  Surely you'd attribute the same epithets you do for the nick berg killers to the us service men/women who did likewise to your brother.

And guess what?  Our forces are committing such attrocities.  I've read of at least 4 such prisoner deaths that were labelled as deaths.  I'm sure it's safe to say that 4 is a small representative number of what's really happening.
I don't even know what to say in reponse to this idiocy...

The prisoner's in Guat are treated as well as US prisoners are.  Their religious believes are respected, they are fed.  How can you even compare being a prisoner there to being beheaded.  And the people there are at least suspected terrorists.  What did Nick Berg or the others do?  They weren't even military!  They were there to try to help make things better, and they were mutilated.

Maybe you should actually see one of the videos, and maybe you should actually do some research to see what the actual "cause of death" was for the prisoners in Guat.  It sickens me that you could try to lessen this atrocity with this comparison.
IRONCHEF has a very valid point, fair enough they may not be comparable (killing vs torture) but we, i say we as in US and UK anyway, dont really think much of what goes on in GB, cos we arent shown or told it.  I watched a program (Channel 4 IIRC) where the GB techniques were duplicated, although not as strong, over like a 3 day period and the volunteers were completely fucked up. It was a total shock to their system.  I refuse to believe that the "prisoners" are treated fairly ( i aint picking on the US im sure us Brits do it too) so come on wake up, fine be patriaotic or whatever but have a brain.

I dont know if anyone can rememeber the Executions video that was out way back in 1997/8 (just before that operations video came out?) I saw that when i was 16 and i still rememeber it.  I DO NOT wish to see any of these videos, yeah fair enough iv seen some grusome stuff on the net but at least the people live, i take no joy in seeing someones live being taken in such a brutal fashion.  Thats my personal view.
Master*
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The Eugene Armstrong video is worse
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/Eugene_armstrong.JPG
GunSlinger OIF II
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Masterstyle wrote:

The Eugene Armstrong video is worse
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … strong.JPG
that shit makes me sick. not because of the obscenity of it, but for the fact that we have human beings in this world that its acceptable to treat other human beings like cattle. to be honest, i would even wish that kinda shit on zarqawi or anybody else in that video.  5.56mm centermass will be just fine with me.
s()mtingWong
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Masterstyle wrote:

The Eugene Armstrong video is worse
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … strong.JPG
ya thats his name thought it was jack but then again jack hensley was with him and another guy all 3 got beheaded.

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