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I think so, they're really the only cells that can reproduce itself into anything. Other cells that can be reproduced are your skin, hair, nails, bones, blood, etc.
With stem cells you can theoretically recreate a heart, lung, damaged brain cells which normally never get replaced. Your brain may make new neuropathways, but it will never repair. This research has great potential in helping people with almost any terminal illness.
I also detest people like Rush Limbaugh and other critics that are accusing Michael J. Fox of exagerrating his Parkinson's Disease. Look at Muhammad Ali, he was arguably the greatest boxer that ever lived, and he is now but a shadow of what he once was. This disease is very debillitating and robs the person's dignity when they can't control their body movements. The critics are just afraid that people might listen to him and vote for the Democratic Party. They are also very cynical of everything they see and hear. But that's their problem, they just look like heartless asses when they do things like that.
With stem cells you can theoretically recreate a heart, lung, damaged brain cells which normally never get replaced. Your brain may make new neuropathways, but it will never repair. This research has great potential in helping people with almost any terminal illness.
I also detest people like Rush Limbaugh and other critics that are accusing Michael J. Fox of exagerrating his Parkinson's Disease. Look at Muhammad Ali, he was arguably the greatest boxer that ever lived, and he is now but a shadow of what he once was. This disease is very debillitating and robs the person's dignity when they can't control their body movements. The critics are just afraid that people might listen to him and vote for the Democratic Party. They are also very cynical of everything they see and hear. But that's their problem, they just look like heartless asses when they do things like that.
Sad part about this is the Republicans are against it saying it will not yield results within 15 yrs. It may not, but look at Iraq, it will take longer than that.
I saw the interview on this week and he says he has to slow his dosage so he can speak, thus the spasmodic movements. He says if he takes the dosage as prescribed he will be like Mohammad Ali where he can't speak. Very sad, both of them are good people.CackNBallz wrote:
I think so, they're really the only cells that can reproduce itself into anything. Other cells that can be reproduced are your skin, hair, nails, bones, blood, etc.
With stem cells you can theoretically recreate a heart, lung, damaged brain cells which normally never get replaced. Your brain may make new neuropathways, but it will never repair. This research has great potential in helping people with almost any terminal illness.
I also detest people like Rush Limbaugh and other critics that are accusing Michael J. Fox of exagerrating his Parkinson's Disease. Look at Muhammad Ali, he was arguably the greatest boxer that ever lived, and he is now but a shadow of what he once was. This disease is very debillitating and robs the person's dignity when they can't control their body movements. The critics are just afraid that people might listen to him and vote for the Democratic Party. They are also very cynical of everything they see and hear. But that's their problem, they just look like heartless asses when they do things like that.
No and none in the near future according to those working in the field that aren't feeding us bs to get funding from the government.Harmor wrote:
Does Embryonic Stem Cell Research have any results? Does it have any promise for any results in the near future with more funding?
Wrong, embryonic stem cells are not the only cells that can reproduce themselves into any other type of cell. Adult stem cell research (ASCR), which Republicans support by the way, actually works and has results. ESCR is a cash cow for researchers and they have nothing to show for it. Read here for details on the differences between ESCR and ASCR.CackNBallz wrote:
I think so, they're really the only cells that can reproduce itself into anything. Other cells that can be reproduced are your skin, hair, nails, bones, blood, etc.
With stem cells you can theoretically recreate a heart, lung, damaged brain cells which normally never get replaced. Your brain may make new neuropathways, but it will never repair. This research has great potential in helping people with almost any terminal illness.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=50463
Scientists and researchers in the field are saying it wouldn’t yield results for a long time and ASCR is already accomplishing what ESCR is trying to do. Again, read the info from the researchers in the above link.GATOR591957 wrote:
Sad part about this is the Republicans are against it saying it will not yield results within 15 yrs. It may not, but look at Iraq, it will take longer than that.
Excerpts:
Dr. Douglas W. Losordo, chief of cardiovascular research at Boston's Caritas St. Elizabeth's Medical Center, said, “I think embryonic stem cells are going to fade in the rear-view mirror of adult stem cells.”
ESCR supporter Professor Lord Robert Winston, at a special lecture, admitted, “I am not entirely convinced that embryonic stem cells will, in my lifetime, and possibly anyone's lifetime for that matter, be holding quite the promise that we desperately hope they will.”
Columnist and ESCR promoter Cynthia Tucker freely admits that “some of those cures could be decades away.”
South Korean ESCR expert Curie Ahn is quoted as saying that cures might take “three to five decades.” Smart money is on the probability that successful ESC therapies will be nowhere near ready for literally decades, if at all—while successful ASC therapies are already in use.
For those of you in Rio Linda - 3 to 5 decades is 30 to 50 years.
Last edited by Stingray24 (2006-10-30 15:11:51)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Nerve cells in your nose are the only ones in our body that reproduce.
I think the scientists doing the ASCR and ESCR research would dispute that.Harmor wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Nerve cells in your nose are the only ones in our body that reproduce.
im pretty sure the debate is whether of not the funds will go to creating human life or stick with the point of research we are at.....
we must all be careful in these decisions. if my wife was ill with some disease i would hope that it could be cured. by any means.......now think about that. i heard a discussion between a man whos daughter was basically a vegitible and not going to ever get up from her hospitol bed and a doctor who was against creating human life strictly for stem cells. the man was obviusly very upset about the situation he and his daughter were in. he asked the doctor how he could be so heartless as to not want to help his daughter because he(the father) would do ANYTHING to make his daughter better. so the doctor asked him that if there was a cure for his daughter though embillicol(i know that one isnt spelled right lol)cords and the stem cells in those would he do it. and of course the father said yes. so then he asked the father if they could create an embryo for the stem cells that would cure his daughter would he do it. of course the father said yes, anything to make her better. so then the doctor asked him that if someone had a disease or a medical condition that would never allow that person to live a normal happy life, would the father use that person for stem cells to cure his daughter? now i have never heard someone willingly give up their own child for stem cells and i am sure that this man would never do that. i feel sorry for this man and i do hope that a cure exists for his daughter. however emotions will be very strong in this argument, so ill say this. if a human was ever cloned it would be the start of a very horrible thing. weve all seen the movies, and im not saying that it would ever go as far as say The Island, but i will say that more bad will come from it than good. didnt mean to offend anyone with this post so im sorry if i did......
we must all be careful in these decisions. if my wife was ill with some disease i would hope that it could be cured. by any means.......now think about that. i heard a discussion between a man whos daughter was basically a vegitible and not going to ever get up from her hospitol bed and a doctor who was against creating human life strictly for stem cells. the man was obviusly very upset about the situation he and his daughter were in. he asked the doctor how he could be so heartless as to not want to help his daughter because he(the father) would do ANYTHING to make his daughter better. so the doctor asked him that if there was a cure for his daughter though embillicol(i know that one isnt spelled right lol)cords and the stem cells in those would he do it. and of course the father said yes. so then he asked the father if they could create an embryo for the stem cells that would cure his daughter would he do it. of course the father said yes, anything to make her better. so then the doctor asked him that if someone had a disease or a medical condition that would never allow that person to live a normal happy life, would the father use that person for stem cells to cure his daughter? now i have never heard someone willingly give up their own child for stem cells and i am sure that this man would never do that. i feel sorry for this man and i do hope that a cure exists for his daughter. however emotions will be very strong in this argument, so ill say this. if a human was ever cloned it would be the start of a very horrible thing. weve all seen the movies, and im not saying that it would ever go as far as say The Island, but i will say that more bad will come from it than good. didnt mean to offend anyone with this post so im sorry if i did......
Bud, The guys doing ADCR will say this, Mainly because they already have there funding, There mostly against ESCR on moral grounds and they are behind in the process of ESCR. Think for a second, What other Cells, but Newly developing Embryonic Cells could Regenerate? Surely your not buying into this ASCR Dog and pony show are you? You can read all the and ifs and what nots you want, and post slanted Bias opinions by researchers you want, But Im a pissed off republican who suffers from things that In MY view and in the view of Credible reseachers say, ESC are the cells that will Regenerate and reproduce. If im not mistaken, If you can clone them a gazillion times, then that proves my point. They cant do that with ASC now can they?Stingray24 wrote:
No and none in the near future according to those working in the field that aren't feeding us bs to get funding from the government.Harmor wrote:
Does Embryonic Stem Cell Research have any results? Does it have any promise for any results in the near future with more funding?Wrong, embryonic stem cells are not the only cells that can reproduce themselves into any other type of cell. Adult stem cell research (ASCR), which Republicans support by the way, actually works and has results. ESCR is a cash cow for researchers and they have nothing to show for it. Read here for details on the differences between ESCR and ASCR.CackNBallz wrote:
I think so, they're really the only cells that can reproduce itself into anything. Other cells that can be reproduced are your skin, hair, nails, bones, blood, etc.
With stem cells you can theoretically recreate a heart, lung, damaged brain cells which normally never get replaced. Your brain may make new neuropathways, but it will never repair. This research has great potential in helping people with almost any terminal illness.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=50463Scientists and researchers in the field are saying it wouldn’t yield results for a long time and ASCR is already accomplishing what ESCR is trying to do. Again, read the info from the researchers in the above link.GATOR591957 wrote:
Sad part about this is the Republicans are against it saying it will not yield results within 15 yrs. It may not, but look at Iraq, it will take longer than that.
Excerpts:
Dr. Douglas W. Losordo, chief of cardiovascular research at Boston's Caritas St. Elizabeth's Medical Center, said, “I think embryonic stem cells are going to fade in the rear-view mirror of adult stem cells.”
ESCR supporter Professor Lord Robert Winston, at a special lecture, admitted, “I am not entirely convinced that embryonic stem cells will, in my lifetime, and possibly anyone's lifetime for that matter, be holding quite the promise that we desperately hope they will.”
Columnist and ESCR promoter Cynthia Tucker freely admits that “some of those cures could be decades away.”
South Korean ESCR expert Curie Ahn is quoted as saying that cures might take “three to five decades.” Smart money is on the probability that successful ESC therapies will be nowhere near ready for literally decades, if at all—while successful ASC therapies are already in use.
For those of you in Rio Linda - 3 to 5 decades is 30 to 50 years.
Maybe some things could be decades away, bu5t without More funding, and world parinoia breathing down everyones neck, No wonder it might take so long. So tell me this, So im very clear here, every famouse person with a disease, no matter party affiliation, screaming for ESCR is dead wrong, and ASCR has already been exhausted on them and it didnt work? Because if it were so good, wouldnt they be promoteing that?
When you refrain from taking medication to enhance a photo-op, it's called exaggerating. I reserve the right to be critical of anyone even if they set themselves on fire in the middle of a football stadium.CackNBallz wrote:
I also detest people like Rush Limbaugh and other critics that are accusing Michael J. Fox of exagerrating his Parkinson's Disease. Look at Muhammad Ali, he was arguably the greatest boxer that ever lived, and he is now but a shadow of what he once was. This disease is very debillitating and robs the person's dignity when they can't control their body movements. The critics are just afraid that people might listen to him and vote for the Democratic Party. They are also very cynical of everything they see and hear. But that's their problem, they just look like heartless asses when they do things like that.
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-10-30 16:06:06)
You couldn't be more wrong, they say that they can cure so many diseases, such as diabetes, well... there is 17 million diabetics in America, it takes 50-100 eggs to even clone the pancreas, so a normal women make 1 to 2 eggs per cycle, with pills they can make up to 10-20 egg, So they would need roughly 80 million women, in the US there is only 45 million women eligible to donate eggs, so this means they would go to 3rd world countries like Africa paying them little pennies to remove there eggs, which is a painful procedure and many women have complaints about it after there surgery.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Bud, The guys doing ADCR will say this, Mainly because they already have there funding, There mostly against ESCR on moral grounds and they are behind in the process of ESCR. Think for a second, What other Cells, but Newly developing Embryonic Cells could Regenerate? Surely your not buying into this ASCR Dog and pony show are you? You can read all the and ifs and what nots you want, and post slanted Bias opinions by researchers you want, But Im a pissed off republican who suffers from things that In MY view and in the view of Credible reseachers say, ESC are the cells that will Regenerate and reproduce. If im not mistaken, If you can clone them a gazillion times, then that proves my point. They cant do that with ASC now can they?Stingray24 wrote:
No and none in the near future according to those working in the field that aren't feeding us bs to get funding from the government.Harmor wrote:
Does Embryonic Stem Cell Research have any results? Does it have any promise for any results in the near future with more funding?Wrong, embryonic stem cells are not the only cells that can reproduce themselves into any other type of cell. Adult stem cell research (ASCR), which Republicans support by the way, actually works and has results. ESCR is a cash cow for researchers and they have nothing to show for it. Read here for details on the differences between ESCR and ASCR.CackNBallz wrote:
I think so, they're really the only cells that can reproduce itself into anything. Other cells that can be reproduced are your skin, hair, nails, bones, blood, etc.
With stem cells you can theoretically recreate a heart, lung, damaged brain cells which normally never get replaced. Your brain may make new neuropathways, but it will never repair. This research has great potential in helping people with almost any terminal illness.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=50463Scientists and researchers in the field are saying it wouldn’t yield results for a long time and ASCR is already accomplishing what ESCR is trying to do. Again, read the info from the researchers in the above link.GATOR591957 wrote:
Sad part about this is the Republicans are against it saying it will not yield results within 15 yrs. It may not, but look at Iraq, it will take longer than that.
Excerpts:
Dr. Douglas W. Losordo, chief of cardiovascular research at Boston's Caritas St. Elizabeth's Medical Center, said, “I think embryonic stem cells are going to fade in the rear-view mirror of adult stem cells.”
ESCR supporter Professor Lord Robert Winston, at a special lecture, admitted, “I am not entirely convinced that embryonic stem cells will, in my lifetime, and possibly anyone's lifetime for that matter, be holding quite the promise that we desperately hope they will.”
Columnist and ESCR promoter Cynthia Tucker freely admits that “some of those cures could be decades away.”
South Korean ESCR expert Curie Ahn is quoted as saying that cures might take “three to five decades.” Smart money is on the probability that successful ESC therapies will be nowhere near ready for literally decades, if at all—while successful ASC therapies are already in use.
For those of you in Rio Linda - 3 to 5 decades is 30 to 50 years.
Maybe some things could be decades away, bu5t without More funding, and world parinoia breathing down everyones neck, No wonder it might take so long. So tell me this, So im very clear here, every famouse person with a disease, no matter party affiliation, screaming for ESCR is dead wrong, and ASCR has already been exhausted on them and it didnt work? Because if it were so good, wouldnt they be promoteing that?
Also in some cases they have seen that it creates tumors, isn't it supposed to be helping people? well, adult stem cell research has already cured 65 illnesses.
I live in Missouri which is one of the major states voting on cloning and ESCR and they are trying to trick people by asking them if they are against cloning, because they dont consider cloning, " cloning " anymore, because they have changed science all the sudden and now it is called somatic nuclear transfer.
http://www.2tricky.org/
there is some of the info in there.
....kind of like when you land on an aircraft carrier in a flight suit while being president, and an unpopular war you started has just ended....unnamednewbie13 wrote:
When you refrain from taking medication to enhance a photo-op, it's called exaggerating. I reserve the right to be critical of anyone even if they set themselves on fire in the middle of a football stadium.
Last edited by Turquoise (2006-10-30 16:23:36)
One egg can be, And ill use this term Very very loosely, "Cloned" An infinate number of times In ESCR. Now, People are considering THIS Cloneing, That in my eyes is Not what i deem an cloneing in the sense of the Actual full process. NOW, let me add, that if this research was to lead to something more, Like some of the ESCR people are trying to do buy burying that little piece of information deep into the Bill, then i am against the bill. But ill reaffirm my stance that ESCR is far and beyond a better course in the long run. But with all the moral police, the world attitude, and religious zelots out there, its not going to provide any credible results. Without more funding, same thing.HURLEY wrote:
You couldn't be more wrong, they say that they can cure so many diseases, such as diabetes, well... there is 17 million diabetics in America, it takes 50-100 eggs to even clone the pancreas, so a normal women make 1 to 2 eggs per cycle, with pills they can make up to 10-20 egg, So they would need roughly 80 million women, in the US there is only 45 million women eligible to donate eggs, so this means they would go to 3rd world countries like Africa paying them little pennies to remove there eggs, which is a painful procedure and many women have complaints about it after there surgery.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Bud, The guys doing ADCR will say this, Mainly because they already have there funding, There mostly against ESCR on moral grounds and they are behind in the process of ESCR. Think for a second, What other Cells, but Newly developing Embryonic Cells could Regenerate? Surely your not buying into this ASCR Dog and pony show are you? You can read all the and ifs and what nots you want, and post slanted Bias opinions by researchers you want, But Im a pissed off republican who suffers from things that In MY view and in the view of Credible reseachers say, ESC are the cells that will Regenerate and reproduce. If im not mistaken, If you can clone them a gazillion times, then that proves my point. They cant do that with ASC now can they?Stingray24 wrote:
No and none in the near future according to those working in the field that aren't feeding us bs to get funding from the government.Harmor wrote:
Does Embryonic Stem Cell Research have any results? Does it have any promise for any results in the near future with more funding?Wrong, embryonic stem cells are not the only cells that can reproduce themselves into any other type of cell. Adult stem cell research (ASCR), which Republicans support by the way, actually works and has results. ESCR is a cash cow for researchers and they have nothing to show for it. Read here for details on the differences between ESCR and ASCR.CackNBallz wrote:
I think so, they're really the only cells that can reproduce itself into anything. Other cells that can be reproduced are your skin, hair, nails, bones, blood, etc.
With stem cells you can theoretically recreate a heart, lung, damaged brain cells which normally never get replaced. Your brain may make new neuropathways, but it will never repair. This research has great potential in helping people with almost any terminal illness.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=50463
Scientists and researchers in the field are saying it wouldn’t yield results for a long time and ASCR is already accomplishing what ESCR is trying to do. Again, read the info from the researchers in the above link.
Excerpts:
Dr. Douglas W. Losordo, chief of cardiovascular research at Boston's Caritas St. Elizabeth's Medical Center, said, “I think embryonic stem cells are going to fade in the rear-view mirror of adult stem cells.”
ESCR supporter Professor Lord Robert Winston, at a special lecture, admitted, “I am not entirely convinced that embryonic stem cells will, in my lifetime, and possibly anyone's lifetime for that matter, be holding quite the promise that we desperately hope they will.”
Columnist and ESCR promoter Cynthia Tucker freely admits that “some of those cures could be decades away.”
South Korean ESCR expert Curie Ahn is quoted as saying that cures might take “three to five decades.” Smart money is on the probability that successful ESC therapies will be nowhere near ready for literally decades, if at all—while successful ASC therapies are already in use.
For those of you in Rio Linda - 3 to 5 decades is 30 to 50 years.
Maybe some things could be decades away, bu5t without More funding, and world parinoia breathing down everyones neck, No wonder it might take so long. So tell me this, So im very clear here, every famouse person with a disease, no matter party affiliation, screaming for ESCR is dead wrong, and ASCR has already been exhausted on them and it didnt work? Because if it were so good, wouldnt they be promoteing that?
Also in some cases they have seen that it creates tumors, isn't it supposed to be helping people? well, adult stem cell research has already cured 65 illnesses.
I live in Missouri which is one of the major states voting on cloning and ESCR and they are trying to trick people by asking them if they are against cloning, because they dont consider cloning, " cloning " anymore, because they have changed science all the sudden and now it is called somatic nuclear transfer.
http://www.2tricky.org/
there is some of the info in there.
The majority of scientists agree that Embryonic Stem Cell research is more likely to produce dramatic results than Adult Stem Cell research. No matter what, it is an important avenue of research and should be pursued, because the potential benefits far outway the costs. The potential benefits are tremendous, whereas the costs are minimal, just some outrage from religious nutters.
Last edited by Bertster7 (2006-10-30 17:45:21)
Thats exactly part of my whole arguement.Bertster7 wrote:
The majority of scientists agree that Embryonic Stem Cell research is more likely to produce dramatic results than Adult Stem Cell research. No matter what, it is an important avenue of research and should be pursued, because the potential benefits far outway the costs. The potential benefits are tremendous, whereas the costs are minimal, just some outrage from religious nutters.
Sigh, And a great BIG YAWN!Turquoise wrote:
....kind of like when you land on an aircraft carrier in a flight suit while being president, and an unpopular war you started has just ended....unnamednewbie13 wrote:
When you refrain from taking medication to enhance a photo-op, it's called exaggerating. I reserve the right to be critical of anyone even if they set themselves on fire in the middle of a football stadium.
Nose nerves regenerate. On Beyond Tomorrow on the Discovery Channel they showed how they transplaneted nose nerves into the severed spine of a paraplegic and she started to get feeling and movement of her lower limbs.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Think for a second, What other Cells, but Newly developing Embryonic Cells could Regenerate?
Source: http://science.discovery.com/fansites/b … OW_leftnav
Episode 28 - Nasal Stem Cells.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it take like 1,000 embyros before the procedure is successful?
Last edited by Harmor (2006-10-30 22:31:24)
Draw what you will from that.Wikipedia (on Adult Stem Cell treatments) wrote:
Adult stem cells are being developed for use in treatments for a variety of human conditions, ranging from blindness to spinal cord injury. Since adult stem cells can be harvested from the patient, potential ethical issues and immunogenic rejection are averted. Although many different kinds of multipotent stem cells have been identified, adult stem cells that could give rise to all cell and tissue types have not yet been found. Adult stem cells are often present in only minute quantities and can therefore be difficult to isolate and purify. However, they can be multiplied in-vitro to therapeutic numbers. There is also limited evidence that adult stem cells may not have the same capacity to multiply as embryonic stem cells. Finally, adult stem cells may contain more DNA abnormalities—caused by sunlight, toxins, and errors in DNA replication the course of a lifetime. However, there are a number of clinically proven adult stem cell successes.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
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I Will, ANd heres the part thats VERY Interesting and furthers my stance.
"potential ethical issues and immunogenic rejection are averted. Although many different kinds of multipotent stem cells have been identified, adult stem cells that could give rise to all cell and tissue types have not yet been found. Adult stem cells are often present in only minute quantities and can therefore be difficult to isolate and purify. However"
Until theres funding and Open research(not some black opps lab research) on ESCR, we wont get far, and the Anti's have ALL the ammo as of now, because they have all the funding and are alot further ahead of the game. Private funding only goes so far and is limited, because most of the rich wingnuts are Far Right wingnuts who object to ESCR in the first place.
"potential ethical issues and immunogenic rejection are averted. Although many different kinds of multipotent stem cells have been identified, adult stem cells that could give rise to all cell and tissue types have not yet been found. Adult stem cells are often present in only minute quantities and can therefore be difficult to isolate and purify. However"
Until theres funding and Open research(not some black opps lab research) on ESCR, we wont get far, and the Anti's have ALL the ammo as of now, because they have all the funding and are alot further ahead of the game. Private funding only goes so far and is limited, because most of the rich wingnuts are Far Right wingnuts who object to ESCR in the first place.
I just look at one simple rule: follow the money. Pharmaceuticals and medicine are two of the most lucrative industries there are, and they are smack full of speculators and investors. While most of you know this, ESCR is completely legal and research companies are allowed to invest as much money as they want. They don't, however, because it is a dead field. Sure there are alot of theories out there, but there is only a pittance of tests that show any kind of favorable results for ESCR, and those are offset by negative effects in the same studies such as an increase in the presence of brain tumors in the test subjects (ESCR therapies are often introduced directly into the brain). It just seems that more people would be more appreciative of two things. One, for once george and congress are keeping a tighter grip on that check book, and two, when they are "investing" in a research tree, they are investing in the ones that show some promise (ASCR).
I usually dont disagree with you But to quote part of your post:
"They don't, however, because it is a dead field. Sure there are alot of theories out there, but there is only a pittance of tests that show any kind of favorable results for ESCR,"
Again Exactly my point. And its not a dead field, Its a field thats not off the ground because of moral pressure from the right. Im part of the right, But Am for this. Its one of a couple issues i am at odds with, With the current Admin.
"They don't, however, because it is a dead field. Sure there are alot of theories out there, but there is only a pittance of tests that show any kind of favorable results for ESCR,"
Again Exactly my point. And its not a dead field, Its a field thats not off the ground because of moral pressure from the right. Im part of the right, But Am for this. Its one of a couple issues i am at odds with, With the current Admin.
I disagree. It is a high risk research field. Companies that do ESCR would, on top of the massive research costs that would not necessarily yield results, have to deal with a load of religious nutters. There is a lot to put companies off ESCR. the pharmaceutical industry, like all the rest of them, revolves around money. It it costs a lot to research something, that you might never make a profit off, why bother? Spend your time making lucrative anti-depressants or something similar.kr@cker wrote:
I just look at one simple rule: follow the money. Pharmaceuticals and medicine are two of the most lucrative industries there are, and they are smack full of speculators and investors. While most of you know this, ESCR is completely legal and research companies are allowed to invest as much money as they want. They don't, however, because it is a dead field. Sure there are alot of theories out there, but there is only a pittance of tests that show any kind of favorable results for ESCR, and those are offset by negative effects in the same studies such as an increase in the presence of brain tumors in the test subjects (ESCR therapies are often introduced directly into the brain). It just seems that more people would be more appreciative of two things. One, for once george and congress are keeping a tighter grip on that check book, and two, when they are "investing" in a research tree, they are investing in the ones that show some promise (ASCR).
Perhaps we should outsource ESCR to other countries like South Korea who, apparently doesn't have a problem with the moral issues? I mean the U.S. doesn't have to be the leader in in ESCR? Do we?
ASCR doesn't have the rejection problems since the cells are removed from the patient. I wonder if ASCR was able to produce a heart whether we would be having this discussion right now?
ASCR doesn't have the rejection problems since the cells are removed from the patient. I wonder if ASCR was able to produce a heart whether we would be having this discussion right now?
Did I not hear on the news today that they have grown a Liver from placenta stem cells extracted after the birth of a baby? that's pretty incredible
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