Harmor, please don't go around spouting statements regarding Islam like an expert when you can barely spell 'Muslims'. I'm a Muslim, and I don't have any problems with gays. And as you can see, a few members of the forums also hate gays. And they aren't Muslims. Please don't speak in a way that implies Islam is the only religion spreading hate.
I Love lipstick Lesbians. Very much. In sandwich form LOl.kr@cker wrote:
I hate lesbians, I'll never forgive them for that crap their leader M'ommar Quadafi pulled in the 80's
Holy war against pride parade
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 … 78,00.htmlHaredim promise violence if parade takes place, tell J'lem police chief 'will not give up, dialogue or negotiate'
Neta Sela
Published: 10.30.06, 02:48
Haredim keep threatening to strike the gay parade scheduled to take place in Jerusalem in two weeks. Most recently, Jerusalem Police Chief Maj. Gen. Ilan Franko met Sunday with Haredi leader Yitzhak Tuvia Weiss.
Franko asked to learn about the stance of Haredi rabbis who declared their intent of a 'Million Man Protest' against the parade. Police did not release details of the meeting.
A source close to the rabbi said that Weiss told Franko that he cannot promise the police chief that there won't be Haredi violence at the march.
"The rabbi declared there'd be a war over this, that we couldn't stay silent about it. We cannot give up or compromise about this," the source said.
Even an offer of compromise, that the parade be moved further from the center of the city, was rejected out of hand by the Haredim. Haredi representatives told the police chief that they intend to go "all the way" on the issue.
The Kol-Haredi telephone hotline, which supplies news updates from the Haredi sector, reported the meeting: "The meeting took place at the (spiritual leader's) house…for over half an hour. The police chief arrived to see just how serious Haredi leaders are about this march."
"Do they intend only to protest against the abomination, as is required, or do they intend to rally without restraint and with full devotion?" queried the broadcast.
"The spiritual leader was clear. We will not give up. We will not come to any dialogue or negotiation. We’re talking about our souls and our obligations to oppose such things and erase this abomination from the holy city, Jerusalem," it answered.
Kol-Haredi further reported that Franko had shown the Haredim the intended parade route, in the hopes of convincing them to stay away from areas where it would run. In response, the rabbi responded, "We're going to war on this issue."
"Not only in Jerusalem, but all over Israel, in Beit Shemesh, Ashdod and 15 junctions that will be hermetically sealed on Friday, during the abomination parade in Jerusalem," he elaborated.
According to the hotline, "we understand that Franko has the power to cancel the parade if he feels that there is a danger to human life. This is what we are trying to make him understand – there is a danger and there will be a holy war on this issue."
'Take a stick and hit them'
The Haredi counter-march is set to take place on Hillel Street, where the march is set to begin. One plan that came up in Haredi forums is to infiltrate the march with some fifty men who "don't look Haredi…who will 'blast' the parade from the inside," said a source close to Rabbi Weiss.
"He said every cop seen along the way should be beaten. After all, the police will try and stop us…so we should be prepared and bring sticks to hit them," he stated, adding "a direct order hasn't been issued, but everyone knows."
The Haredis will most likely be joined in their protests by religious group Agudat Israel. Despite pushing ninety, movement leader Menachem Porush is still active in advancing a counter-march to the rally.
"We haven't yet decided what to do, but we can't, without a doubt, allow such an abomination to go by as part of the daily agenda in Jerusalem," Porush told Ynet. His goal, he said, was to "take away their right to march."
In response, the Open House said "it should be noted that the march will not go through or next to residential neighborhoods, Haredi or otherwise."
"The unfortunately extremist attack-and-bargain strategy will not deter us," they insisted.
"The last few days have proven that we're not just fighting for the rights of the gay community in Jerusalem, but rather for anyone who believes in liberty and human rights. We call on the community at large to join us in our struggle."
blademaster wrote:
Catholic church reformed a lot thats why it did not keep true to its roots, you cant keep changing the religion in order to accommodate everybody that way you change the original teachings that were written down. Also the Bible talks about some of this stuff in Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 2:18-25 . and also the bible does say that same person or same sex should not mix, and in addition Muslims basically took parts from the bible, toras or the old testament and added the new teachings from Muhammad to form Koran.
"And He answered and said to them, 'Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,'"
—Matthew 19:4
"But from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female.'"
—Mark 10:6
When Jesus was asked questions about marriage he went straight back to the defining passages in Genesis that say that marriage is between male and female and is meant to be life long. He saw the creation accounts in Genesis as authoritative in His day. And what is authoritative for Jesus is authoritative for Christians also.
The image of God is both male and female and is reflected in a godly union between male and female where the creative power of God, His life-giving, His self-giving and His moral nature are perfectly expressed. This is only possible in a heterosexual union.
When God created a partner for Adam He created Eve - not another Adam. This means that perfect partnership requires some level of difference as well as a level of similarity so great that Adam could cry out loudly, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh". Sexual intimacy between a man and a woman is the normal method of male/female bonding (emotionally and physically) because it corresponds to the design of our bodies and because it is the normal means by which offspring are created.
If God had intended the human race to be fulfilled through both heterosexual and homosexual marriage, He would have designed our bodies to allow reproduction through both means and made both means of sexual intercourse healthy and natural. Homosexual anal intercourse carries a high risk of disease, this is recognized in Scripture where gay men are said to receive in their bodies the due penalty for their error (Romans 1:27).
"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."
—Romans 1:26-27 (
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."
—1 Corinthians 6:9-10
"Knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,"
—1 Timothy 1:9-10
Muslims just have a habit of wanting to kill people. Like Christians, or Jews, but a little worse.
Umm...I don't see Christians or Jews going around wanting to kill gays or people in general. No where near the amout of extreamist muslums...heck the Wahabie sect in Saudi Arabia broadcasts daily to kill the infidels. Mosques around the world have surmmons to kill people...last time I went to church I don't recall my preacher asking me to kill anyone.Sylvanis wrote:
Muslims just have a habit of wanting to kill people. Like Christians, or Jews, but a little worse.
You struck it straight in the bone, Harmor! Extremist Muslims!!! These particular idiots don't seem to realise that while they're trying to 'save' and fight for Islam, they're just tarnishing Islam's name.
The reason Islam prohibits homosexuality among Muslims is because it threatens the longetivity of Islam, as homosexual couples obviously can't make their own children, and thus have no offspring to pass Islam onto. The thing is, extremists are including non-Muslims into the 'Thou art forbidden from gayness' list.
Islam is meant to be a religion of tolerance, and peace. Muslims are supposed to respect others' opinions, hateful or not. As sad as it may seem, we may be losing the true message of Islam. Nowadays, extremists only look through the Quran to find means to justify killing innocent people. They believe that by sacrificing themselves, they will be regarded as martyrs. This is not, I repeat, NOT true. Suicide is forbidden. If you kill yourself, and worse, people around you, you are considered exiled from Islam. Extremists just don't get the message.
On the other hand, you Westerners should be more civilised, to act as an example. Surely you're not going to nuke the entire Middle East because of terrorist aggresion towards you? That's stooping down to their level, not to mention just plain childish. Negotiate, and attempt to make peace. Hatred fosters hatred. You try to fight fire with fire, you just end up creating more fire.
Try and look for Muslims who wish to coexist peacefully, and broadcast their message to the world. This will encourage more Muslims to stand up for the peaceful side of Islam. The terrorists use propaganda to foster hate towards the West. Use the vast media resources at your disposal to convince the world otherwise. Show them the Muslims who form a vauable part of society.
Monkey see, monkey do. Monkey see US soldiers in Iraq shooting Iraqis, terrorist or not, monkey joins the army, or buys an AK-47. Monkey see peaceful Muslims cooperating with everyone to help the country prosper, monkey starts cooperating. Humanity is much simpler than it looks.
The reason Islam prohibits homosexuality among Muslims is because it threatens the longetivity of Islam, as homosexual couples obviously can't make their own children, and thus have no offspring to pass Islam onto. The thing is, extremists are including non-Muslims into the 'Thou art forbidden from gayness' list.
Islam is meant to be a religion of tolerance, and peace. Muslims are supposed to respect others' opinions, hateful or not. As sad as it may seem, we may be losing the true message of Islam. Nowadays, extremists only look through the Quran to find means to justify killing innocent people. They believe that by sacrificing themselves, they will be regarded as martyrs. This is not, I repeat, NOT true. Suicide is forbidden. If you kill yourself, and worse, people around you, you are considered exiled from Islam. Extremists just don't get the message.
On the other hand, you Westerners should be more civilised, to act as an example. Surely you're not going to nuke the entire Middle East because of terrorist aggresion towards you? That's stooping down to their level, not to mention just plain childish. Negotiate, and attempt to make peace. Hatred fosters hatred. You try to fight fire with fire, you just end up creating more fire.
Try and look for Muslims who wish to coexist peacefully, and broadcast their message to the world. This will encourage more Muslims to stand up for the peaceful side of Islam. The terrorists use propaganda to foster hate towards the West. Use the vast media resources at your disposal to convince the world otherwise. Show them the Muslims who form a vauable part of society.
Monkey see, monkey do. Monkey see US soldiers in Iraq shooting Iraqis, terrorist or not, monkey joins the army, or buys an AK-47. Monkey see peaceful Muslims cooperating with everyone to help the country prosper, monkey starts cooperating. Humanity is much simpler than it looks.
Tetrino wins.
Umm...last I heard its extreamist muslums going around and killing everyone and their mother with suicide bombs...
Seems like a peaceful religion to me.
Seems like a peaceful religion to me.
JUst out of interest, why did you write "their monther" ???Harmor wrote:
Umm...last I heard its extreamist muslums going around and killing everyone and their mother with suicide bombs...
Seems like a peaceful religion to me.
Its an American idiom.
Agreed, hence the worse. Christians and Jews for the most part have grown up (except most of Israel) and stopped trying to destroy everything that isn't them. But don't fool yourself into thinking they were always so restrained. There was the whole series of crusades, inquisitions, concentration camps... the list goes on. My point is that every religion has/does kill(ed) what is different.Harmor wrote:
Umm...I don't see Christians or Jews going around wanting to kill gays or people in general. No where near the amout of extreamist muslums...heck the Wahabie sect in Saudi Arabia broadcasts daily to kill the infidels. Mosques around the world have surmmons to kill people...last time I went to church I don't recall my preacher asking me to kill anyone.Sylvanis wrote:
Muslims just have a habit of wanting to kill people. Like Christians, or Jews, but a little worse.
Slander is spoken. This is libel. I take offense.oug wrote:
Why are people spreading bullshit about Muslims lately?
This is Debate & Serious Talk. If its going to be slander, at least do it in a more sophisticated manner.
You are right, but those relgions have had a Reformation to pacify themselves. Islam needs a Reformation or else this extreamist movement againt gays will get worst.Sylvanis wrote:
Agreed, hence the worse. Christians and Jews for the most part have grown up (except most of Israel) and stopped trying to destroy everything that isn't them. But don't fool yourself into thinking they were always so restrained. There was the whole series of crusades, inquisitions, concentration camps... the list goes on. My point is that every religion has/does kill(ed) what is different.
How long before we see 'hate crimes' against gays from extreamist muslums? Why would this sheik want to perpetuate this hate towards gays is beyond me.
Wait, you're claiming the other religions are reformed, but overlooking the fact that hate crimes against gays already exist within them?Harmor wrote:
You are right, but those relgions have had a Reformation to pacify themselves. Islam needs a Reformation or else this extreamist movement againt gays will get worst.Sylvanis wrote:
Agreed, hence the worse. Christians and Jews for the most part have grown up (except most of Israel) and stopped trying to destroy everything that isn't them. But don't fool yourself into thinking they were always so restrained. There was the whole series of crusades, inquisitions, concentration camps... the list goes on. My point is that every religion has/does kill(ed) what is different.
How long before we see 'hate crimes' against gays from extreamist muslums? Why would this sheik want to perpetuate this hate towards gays is beyond me.
Holy shit, thats a real web site. What a bunch of sick fucks.Sh1fty2k5 wrote:
godhatesfags.com should make this thread die away.
Picketing funeral's of fallen soldiers, thats just sick....
I'm not gay but what do you guys have agaisnt gays
Religion A: do this do that
Religion B: Fools in religion A want this or that
Religion C: We don't like A or B, we like this and that
the foolishness will go on and on and on and on....
Religion B: Fools in religion A want this or that
Religion C: We don't like A or B, we like this and that
the foolishness will go on and on and on and on....
Dunno why. There is a GAY muslim where I work at. I asked him all kinds of messed up questions when I see him... Like...
Is it true you can't crap facing Mecca?
Do you have to eat pork if your host serves it?
How do you know where mecca is at all times? Do you carry around a compass?
Is it true you can't crap facing Mecca?
Do you have to eat pork if your host serves it?
How do you know where mecca is at all times? Do you carry around a compass?
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Harmor doesn't seem to have addressed my post. I wonder why.
I didn't respond because you were trying to rationalize that its ok.Tetrino wrote:
Harmor doesn't seem to have addressed my post. I wonder why.
Your argument seems to be failing you.Harmor wrote:
I didn't respond because you were trying to rationalize that its ok.Tetrino wrote:
Harmor doesn't seem to have addressed my post. I wonder why.
Now where in my ridiculously lengthy post did I say 'it's ok for them to kill gays'??? I said extremists are idiots!!! I happen to be providing a solution. Use all your goddamn media to show the world the peaceful side of Islam. Meybe that will halt terrorist recruitments. After all, seeing as they commit suicide as a method of attack, they're bound to need fresh recuits.
And IF I was trying to justify extremism, which I'm not, wouldn't you have shut that down and counteracted upon it? I mean, it would provide an easy win for you.
And IF I was trying to justify extremism, which I'm not, wouldn't you have shut that down and counteracted upon it? I mean, it would provide an easy win for you.
I would like to remind you that it was educated muslums who flew those planes into the Twin Towers. Before 9/11 I would agree that 'show the world the peaceful side of Islam' may have worked, but I doubt it. Right now its basically brainwashing from a very young age to hate.Tetrino wrote:
Use all your goddamn media to show the world the peaceful side of Islam. Meybe that will halt terrorist recruitments. After all, seeing as they commit suicide as a method of attack, they're bound to need fresh recuits.
There's a great documentry called 'Obsession' that details the radical islam:
I don't care about 'winning the debate', I just don't want gays killed.And IF I was trying to justify extremism, which I'm not, wouldn't you have shut that down and counteracted upon it? I mean, it would provide an easy win for you.
The thing I don't understand about Muslims (in general, not extremists) is why they don't come out and say that they don't support the Jihad.
Whenever you hear a Muslim talking on the news about the war, you always hear them saying things about "the crackdown on muslims" or "undue prejudice". Why is there no one coming forward saying "These people are fucking insane! They don't speak for Muslims in general!"? I don't understand...
Just my 2 cents.
Whenever you hear a Muslim talking on the news about the war, you always hear them saying things about "the crackdown on muslims" or "undue prejudice". Why is there no one coming forward saying "These people are fucking insane! They don't speak for Muslims in general!"? I don't understand...
Just my 2 cents.
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