Ireland joınt top!!! Another tıtle ın the bag... pretty our press ıs ınfested wıth pro-Fıne Gael trıpe and whıngıng about how long capıtal projects lıke traın lınes take to commıssıon.
lol interesting
In most of the populated places in the USA you can get any story that is being printed anywhere in the world - paper or internet - tell me again how to measure this freedom index? Is it stories already in posession of the media that the Gov't prevents the Press from printing or is it stories the Gov't doesn't release for whatever reasons? The survey instrument is an unscientific piece o' crap both in design and probably in measurement (nice work Blistering) so i'm not losing any sleep over it, yet.
There was a comment in this thread about countries engaged in war having fewer press freedoms. I bet if you measure only countries at war we are the most loose of any non-third world nation in those conditions. We can't have some goofball reporter giving away troop movements during operations in realtime on international television now can we? Did the US execute Geraldo Rivera yet? treasonous bastard
In most of the populated places in the USA you can get any story that is being printed anywhere in the world - paper or internet - tell me again how to measure this freedom index? Is it stories already in posession of the media that the Gov't prevents the Press from printing or is it stories the Gov't doesn't release for whatever reasons? The survey instrument is an unscientific piece o' crap both in design and probably in measurement (nice work Blistering) so i'm not losing any sleep over it, yet.
There was a comment in this thread about countries engaged in war having fewer press freedoms. I bet if you measure only countries at war we are the most loose of any non-third world nation in those conditions. We can't have some goofball reporter giving away troop movements during operations in realtime on international television now can we? Did the US execute Geraldo Rivera yet? treasonous bastard
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I'm gonna say the same as those stupid dolls in that Opel Commercial: C'mon, give the US a break, they're the most hated country in the world, now I don't agree fully with their actions, but im sure Finland wouldn't be 1 if they were under constant terror threat.
Och Finlands befolkning är kanske 3000000 älgar/renar och 2000 människor, ni är totalt sönderpropagerade om ni tror att Finland har en större och mera slagkraftig armé än Sverige. Don't buy that shit nigga
Och Finlands befolkning är kanske 3000000 älgar/renar och 2000 människor, ni är totalt sönderpropagerade om ni tror att Finland har en större och mera slagkraftig armé än Sverige. Don't buy that shit nigga
FTW!!!Sh1fty2k5 wrote:
Och Finlands befolkning är kanske 3000000 älgar/renar och 2000 människor, ni är totalt sönderpropagerade om ni tror att Finland har en större och mera slagkraftig armé än Sverige.
Here's the thing: I don't see how a country that allows any person anywhere to publish a newspaper, journal, blog, and/or pamphlet can score 53rd. Just because its low circulation doesn't mean that its not read. I know that every city in the US with a population over 100K has an alternative newspaper that is usually free to the public and ad supported. And it exists! Not to mention, the KKK has a newspaper, every wackjob militia publishes books and newspapers, and anyone anywhere can buy them. I would venture that we have more newspapers in the US than in Europe combined, and certainly more journalists. They are afforded every freedom, and they are constantly pushing the boundries of right and wrong.OpsChief wrote:
lol interesting
In most of the populated places in the USA you can get any story that is being printed anywhere in the world - paper or internet - tell me again how to measure this freedom index? Is it stories already in posession of the media that the Gov't prevents the Press from printing or is it stories the Gov't doesn't release for whatever reasons? The survey instrument is an unscientific piece o' crap both in design and probably in measurement (nice work Blistering) so i'm not losing any sleep over it, yet.
There was a comment in this thread about countries engaged in war having fewer press freedoms. I bet if you measure only countries at war we are the most loose of any non-third world nation in those conditions. We can't have some goofball reporter giving away troop movements during operations in realtime on international television now can we? Did the US execute Geraldo Rivera yet? treasonous bastard
But, again, in the UK the governmental-sanctioned censorship. And its legal. How on earth can a country that legalizes government censorship score higher on a "freedom scale" than one that doesn't?
Haha my land(Finland): number one so beat it... haha.
I wouldnt take these ranks so personal. I mean especially since most of the people here posting probably do not do much for their actual country to take such acclaim to where their country ranks.
This is just one source and one report ranking these countries. We all know statistics can be skewed and adjusted to meet whatever stat you want it to say.
Hell, we cannot even prove if all the people reporting their figures are even reporting un censored responses. Regardless of what this report states, most of us live in the country we live because our parents and/or other family was already there. Not because you made a conscious decision to move there due to some report ranking freedom of press.
I mean, we are ALL here expressing our freedom of speech on a topic that is basically that. I assume the bottom countries are there for a reason, since I see none of them dropping their two cents in on their country.
Plus, to rank a country to live in, you must factor soooo many things beside what the news or media does. If you factor in Economics, cost of living, and other social factors, I would assume most of the top 20 would not be there or placed as high.
Ok, just a thought. We all live in great countries and lets try harder to keep it that way, stop the Wars and lets exchange more woman (or men if you just so happen to be a woman reading this).
Ok, hopping back on a server to kill some USA, China, MEC, or anyone else who wants some...
Later
This is just one source and one report ranking these countries. We all know statistics can be skewed and adjusted to meet whatever stat you want it to say.
Hell, we cannot even prove if all the people reporting their figures are even reporting un censored responses. Regardless of what this report states, most of us live in the country we live because our parents and/or other family was already there. Not because you made a conscious decision to move there due to some report ranking freedom of press.
I mean, we are ALL here expressing our freedom of speech on a topic that is basically that. I assume the bottom countries are there for a reason, since I see none of them dropping their two cents in on their country.
Plus, to rank a country to live in, you must factor soooo many things beside what the news or media does. If you factor in Economics, cost of living, and other social factors, I would assume most of the top 20 would not be there or placed as high.
Ok, just a thought. We all live in great countries and lets try harder to keep it that way, stop the Wars and lets exchange more woman (or men if you just so happen to be a woman reading this).
Ok, hopping back on a server to kill some USA, China, MEC, or anyone else who wants some...
Later
Gah, I hate it when people say, "Omg the French got America independence lol!" They helped, but they didn't join our side until WELL AFTER the war was won. It was the Battle of Saratoga that finally convinced the French that the US was worth helping, and Saratoga was a knock out punch to the British in the northern half of the war. The French helped the north after the British had lost in Saratoga by shwashing away the British Navy from ports (ie Boston and NYC) but did next to nothing in the south. The southern half of the war lasted another three years or so after Saratoga and the French just sat on ships up north engaging in small scrimmages with wandering British ships. Okay, done ranting.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
And as you well know Kmarion, we'd all be British and paying taxes to the Queen if it weren't for "those fuckers".Kmarion wrote:
Wow it's french based, who would have thought(Reporters Without Borders). Those fuckers wouldn't have any borders if it wasn't for the US.
Edit: spelling
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And even after saving France in WWII... need anything else be said?Sgt_Sieg wrote:
Gah, I hate it when people say, "Omg the French got America independence lol!" They helped, but they didn't join our side until WELL AFTER the war was won. It was the Battle of Saratoga that finally convinced the French that the US was worth helping, and Saratoga was a knock out punch to the British in the northern half of the war. The French helped the north after the British had lost in Saratoga by shwashing away the British Navy from ports (ie Boston and NYC) but did next to nothing in the south. The southern half of the war lasted another three years or so after Saratoga and the French just sat on ships up north engaging in small scrimmages with wandering British ships. Okay, done ranting.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
And as you well know Kmarion, we'd all be British and paying taxes to the Queen if it weren't for "those fuckers".Kmarion wrote:
Wow it's french based, who would have thought(Reporters Without Borders). Those fuckers wouldn't have any borders if it wasn't for the US.
Edit: spelling
How many Frenchmen does it take to defend paris?
I don't know it's never been done...
(Joke BTW) Please don't give me the whole Napolean crap.
I don't know it's never been done...
(Joke BTW) Please don't give me the whole Napolean crap.
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Xbone Stormsurgezz
lol I think we just spotted the fact the even people in the press whine about the things that annoy them.... new patch needed.blisteringsilence wrote:
Here's the thing: I don't see how a country that allows any person anywhere to publish a newspaper, journal, blog, and/or pamphlet can score 53rd. Just because its low circulation doesn't mean that its not read. I know that every city in the US with a population over 100K has an alternative newspaper that is usually free to the public and ad supported. And it exists! Not to mention, the KKK has a newspaper, every wackjob militia publishes books and newspapers, and anyone anywhere can buy them. I would venture that we have more newspapers in the US than in Europe combined, and certainly more journalists. They are afforded every freedom, and they are constantly pushing the boundries of right and wrong.OpsChief wrote:
lol interesting
In most of the populated places in the USA you can get any story that is being printed anywhere in the world - paper or internet - tell me again how to measure this freedom index? Is it stories already in posession of the media that the Gov't prevents the Press from printing or is it stories the Gov't doesn't release for whatever reasons? The survey instrument is an unscientific piece o' crap both in design and probably in measurement (nice work Blistering) so i'm not losing any sleep over it, yet.
There was a comment in this thread about countries engaged in war having fewer press freedoms. I bet if you measure only countries at war we are the most loose of any non-third world nation in those conditions. We can't have some goofball reporter giving away troop movements during operations in realtime on international television now can we? Did the US execute Geraldo Rivera yet? treasonous bastard
But, again, in the UK the governmental-sanctioned censorship. And its legal. How on earth can a country that legalizes government censorship score higher on a "freedom scale" than one that doesn't?
?kr@cker wrote:
FTW!!!Sh1fty2k5 wrote:
Och Finlands befolkning är kanske 3000000 älgar/renar och 2000 människor, ni är totalt sönderpropagerade om ni tror att Finland har en större och mera slagkraftig armé än Sverige.
Holland isn't doing bad at all
Are you serious? Or joking? 'Cause you're not funny.Sh1fty2k5 wrote:
Och Finlands befolkning är kanske 3000000 älgar/renar och 2000 människor, ni är totalt sönderpropagerade om ni tror att Finland har en större och mera slagkraftig armé än Sverige.
I need around tree fiddy.
Shipbuilder... when are you moving from the horrible USA...?
good luck in your new country... lol
good luck in your new country... lol
Love is the answer
Mexico @ 132 ftw!
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Why is it when the debate can't be won or ppl can't be bothered to debate, it always turns to-- lets bash the french!!!
Because its the easy way out.JahManRed wrote:
Why is it when the debate can't be won or ppl can't be bothered to debate, it always turns to-- lets bash the french!!!
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I didn't realise that we (Ireland) were a Scandinavian countryznozer wrote:
Nice to See the Scandinavians is on the top.....
stop cying already
i live in america, ive lived in japan, germany and guam.
we have plenty of freedom here, if you dont see it your blind, or have fallen to the media
i live in america, ive lived in japan, germany and guam.
we have plenty of freedom here, if you dont see it your blind, or have fallen to the media
You'll soon beIG-Calibre wrote:
I didn't realise that we (Ireland) were a Scandinavian countryznozer wrote:
Nice to See the Scandinavians is on the top.....
Why did you mention your experience overseas - does it give you special insight into the relative freedoms of the local presses?beerface702 wrote:
stop cying already
i live in america, ive lived in japan, germany and guam.
we have plenty of freedom here, if you dont see it your blind, or have fallen to the media
When you lived in those places, did you live amongst locals or did you live on an American military base? Did you read English-language newspapers such as the Stars and Stripes?
Some of you who live in the U.S. are completely out of touch with reality. This leads me to believe that you stay couped up in your rooms all day reading various news and propaganda, and developing a skewed perception of reality based on that. I attend a University and I have a job. I do not notice any difference in my "freedom" than I did before the "War on Terror". If you do notice such a difference, please humor me. Do you now suddenly live every day in fear of being dragged out of your house and executed? That may certainly be the case if you live in Iran, but America? Not gonna happen. The anti-terror bill that allows the US to detain terror suspects only effects an extremely small portion of the population...I'm talking about a handful of people out of 300 million. While it may be unfortunate for the select few that unfairly fall victim to this, it does not effect the average American's life, no matter how wrong it may seem to you. What I'm getting at is that if you had no access to news sources and were completely oblivious to the War on Terror, certain changes in legislation, or the 9/11 attacks, you would continue to live your daily life without noticing any change. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that what the government is doing is right, because it many cases it is not. What I'm saying is that it does not effect the average American's (by average I mean 99.99% of the population) daily life. Those of who you claim our freedom has been violated so extremely that you're going to move out of the country, please humor me with the specifics of what happened to you.
It's the "reality" that I can "now" be dragged out of my house and imprisoned at the whims of Bush and Rumsfeld...who have not exercised lawful execution of their respective offices (moreso bush than rummy).Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Some of you who live in the U.S. are completely out of touch with reality. This leads me to believe that you stay couped up in your rooms all day reading various news and propaganda, and developing a skewed perception of reality based on that. I attend a University and I have a job. I do not notice any difference in my "freedom" than I did before the "War on Terror". If you do notice such a difference, please humor me. Do you now suddenly live every day in fear of being dragged out of your house and executed? That may certainly be the case if you live in Iran, but America? Not gonna happen. The anti-terror bill that allows the US to detain terror suspects only effects an extremely small portion of the population...I'm talking about a handful of people out of 300 million. While it may be unfortunate for the select few that unfairly fall victim to this, it does not effect the average American's life, no matter how wrong it may seem to you. What I'm getting at is that if you had no access to news sources and were completely oblivious to the War on Terror, certain changes in legislation, or the 9/11 attacks, you would continue to live your daily life without noticing any change. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that what the government is doing is right, because it many cases it is not. What I'm saying is that it does not effect the average American's (by average I mean 99.99% of the population) daily life. Those of who you claim our freedom has been violated so extremely that you're going to move out of the country, please humor me with the specifics of what happened to you.
I did not feel that reality before 9/11 feeling safe in my constitutional protections. Those constitutional protections are gone. I have a good friend who lives in Pakistan. She and her two children were neighbors of mine here in the US and I helped her stay in touch with her fiancee in Pakistan who could not secure a visa to the US. By giving her a laptop and a wireless network adapter, she could visit me, the pool, or my patio and get on the internet and chat with him. She has since returned to pakistan, married him, and she has returned to the US to apply for her husband's visa (she can't do it in Islamabad because she is no longer a citizen there because of being an American citizen now). She has done so and returned to Lahore, Pakistan where she awaits word from me that her husband's visa is available. (sorry for the long preface..getting to the point now).. SO since I've been making great friends with Roheel (her husband), we have exchanged gifts, emails, and phone calls..all of which are without privacy (no big deal, i have nothing to hide)...but in our exchange, we have discussed the inherent danger to Roheel's wife and children being american, speaking perfect english, and being christian. They are literally at risk of death every minute of every day because of these things...and of course we exchanged our hate for the war, the US support of Israel (which escalated tensions in Pakistan against americans and christians even resulting in some lynchings of Roheel's christian neighbors), and our equal disdain for Bush.
now let's assume that at present, simply communicating with this Pakistani man is still legal, which I hope it is. let's also assume that my right to criticize my president to this Pakistani man is protected, which I hope it still is. Now lets assume that some adverse event happens and My friend and her 2 children are killed by an air strike (which is very possible since there are many unreported skirmishes in Pakistan due to obvious events). Roheel, does what he needs to do in his grief and takes up arms to protest or even take action against Americans... Guess what happens to me? Guess what "could" happen because of this new reality that you and I face. Maybe the laptop computer I gave his wife is used byhim to type out anti-american messages or even jihadist (not that he's muslim) messages... I'm toast. I'm gonna be rounded up with the other usual suspects, and thrown in a dank prison in Egypt somewhere where I get bamboo shutes shoved down my nailbeds...and I have no recourse or constitutional protection.
I know, I know. If I'm pollux, I'm gonna be witty and say "Ironchef, you shouldn't worry about it if you haven't done anything wrong." Well, things change when look at reality. And there are many thousands of imprisoned people right now without official charges, court dates, legal representation, and without basic civil rights. The law firm I work at represents some gitmo detainees pro bono and I'm accurate in my assessment.
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Couple of years ago you almost killed us to laughter, when swedish army hairnets were introduced in our media. Swedish "army" full of guys who looked like joey Tempest running around, head wrapped in a fisihing net. Go on, add some more makeup Svante.Sh1fty2k5 wrote:
Och Finlands befolkning är kanske 3000000 älgar/renar och 2000 människor, ni är totalt sönderpropagerade om ni tror att Finland har en större och mera slagkraftig armé än Sverige. Don't buy that shit nigga
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