BF2S Forums Kenny Rodgers, Detroit Pitcher, Accused of "Dirty" Tricks

He'll get sent to Mexico in a new Chevy................

You guys are dumb, it was dirt and resin and sweat mixed together........there is no proof it was anything, nothing can be appealed, Tigers will win in Game 7.  Thread, over.

Baseball is a piece of shit game to begin with..i was doing fine not knowing who was in the world series until you made this thread that I foolishly read...great!  Thanks!

it's not surprising that this level of blatant cheating happens.  everytime I see Bond's ugly, depressed, pathetic face on SF Bay Area TV, i just assume baseball is just a breeding ground for such blatant mockery of rules, standards, personal integrity.  that, and it's a boring, no talent sport.

The Cards (from what I've seen) are more reliable than the Tigers to win the Series. So it doesn't really matter, Rodgers didn't even play last night.

IRONCHEF wrote:

Baseball is a piece of shit game to begin with..i was doing fine not knowing who was in the world series until you made this thread that I foolishly read...great!  Thanks!

it's not surprising that this level of blatant cheating happens.  everytime I see Bond's ugly, depressed, pathetic face on SF Bay Area TV, i just assume baseball is just a breeding ground for such blatant mockery of rules, standards, personal integrity.  that, and it's a boring, no talent sport.

Pull the stick out of your butt. Baseballs a pretty cool sport, and there's really no reason to believe Rogers was cheating...

IRONCHEF wrote:

d3athwi5h4 wrote:

There is a reason baseball is called Americas favorite pastime.

It's called that because it was the favorite pastime..in the past.  now it's a drug infested, lawless abandon full of thugs and overpaid losers.  But then that's my position on most professional sports.  I just get ticked that "entertainment" people like "professional athletes" make the money they do and behave the way they do.  There's no "american" in the american pastime.  As long as my daughter's kindergarten teacher is paid $50k per year for thankless work doing the most important job in the world (next to parenthood), and some shitbag like Barry Bonds is making millions..there's something wrong.  Call me a communist if you want, I'm still right about that comparison though.  Oh, and I've got two friends (brothers) who've played pro ball and they know my feelings about baseball, and they know I'm right too! lol  well, they dont' think baseball sucks tho.

BTW, what is a "pastime?"  I know what most people think it is, but what is IT?

Athletes get paid a lot because it's a difficult skillset to master, and not everyone can afford to do it. That's just the way markets work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastime

IRONCHEF wrote:

Oh come on, you're saying they earn what they do because their "skillset" is hard to master?  NO, getting a law degree or being able to handle a classroom of teens is truly a greater, more valuable, and probably harder skill than getting a .300 average.  The pay is completely out of proportion because it is entertainment..it has dedicated massive stadiums to pay for, and scalpers to appease..it has national TV audiences..where as the last PTA meeting I went to had 3 people show up.

Delicate surgery?  $200k.  Hitting a baseball 1 out of 3 times..out of the park one out of 100 times? $5M?  I don't think the proportion is fair. 

You know, my wife and I were discussing this and thought "If becoming a teacher meant getting a $1 million dollar annual salary, it too would be as competative and glamorous as being a pro baseball player."  and guess what, the teaching job would produce a positive effect into the world instead of gluttony, laziness, and alcoholism! lol

Anyway, sorry for harshing baseball.  I realize there's fanatics out there who loves themselves a good ball game, so I'll chill.  But the pay, attitude of players, and overall mindset of pro sports just saddens me.

You don't think it is fair, but it is. They invest the majority of their life in their sport. The risk of their investment before they make the leagues is great, most athletes spend their childhood in some sort of preparation, as well as a large portion of their time while employed. Likewise, professional athletes see relatively little job security, as well as large amounts of structural, frictional, and seasonal unemployment. The highest paid of athletes sacrifice privacy, and all professional athletes see high levels of stress, both physical and psychological. And, frankly, some people are genetically incapable of acting at the levels of professional Athletes.

Sorry, chef, but being an Athlete is costly and risky, therefore, employing one is costly as well.

Teachers don't make the small salaries they do because the oppertunity cost of attempting to become a teacher is that much smaller than that of attempting to be a professional Athlete. If you don't like it, deal with it. You won't be able to change the market.

Jenkinsbball wrote:

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

You guys are dumb, it was dirt and resin and sweat mixed together........there is no proof it was anything, nothing can be appealed, Tigers will win in Game 7.  Thread, over.

LaRussa should've made a bigger deal than he did, if he believed it was something other than dirt. The time is gone, so they can't touch Rogers (even though he's a piece of shit).

But, I believe he was cheating. All the photos of past games, he had the same substance on his hand. It would explain why an ultra shitty pitcher suddenly becomes awesome. I watched him in Texas for made years, and while he had some good stuff in the past, his later years are horrible. I think the Cards are just over anxious and that's why they can't hit him. I mean, fuck, who CAN'T hit an 80 mph fastball? That's just pathetic, and these guys are professionals.

You really think he would be THAT dumb to just have it showing up on his hand....come on, proof first, allegations laters.

Ok, whatever dude.  Still the bottom line is "value" for the money.  Greed, entertainment, and marketting vs. producing educated citizens.  This world is a more pathetic place because of that scale and it's lopsidedness...regardless of skillset, job security, and "loss of privacy." lol  I can't believe you used those things as criteria.  Guess what, an injured, terminated, or retired baseball player can still get a job outside of the entertainment sector..so there's NO risk there of job security.

You know, you'd get alot further in debates if you weren't so snappy.  Your "deal with it" and that totally irrelevent "you won't be able to change the market" comments show alot about you and it's not productive debate language.  I'm no saint, but I know the difference between good debate (like we were doing until you got snappy) and irritable bowel syndrome eruptions.  It's how threads get started on that road to being closed (like that one yesterday where you lost your cool).

Chef, you can't argue "let's have a good debate" if you start with "baseball is a shit game anyway".

Why not?  It's a good, strong opinion.  Besides, I apologized later.  And Jonsimon and I were having a great argument debating the merits of pro sport salaries, talent comparisons, value and other considerations.  But some people just can't handle good debate and freak out..or rely on previous grudges from other arguments and let that come out.  Me?  I forget all posts I've made when i go home for the day at 5:15pm PDT.

To Chef:

Sorry, I forgot common sense isn't a factor.

But I'll join in now:
Andre Agassi makes MILLIONS.  But he's more worthless than a teacher or a doctor, despite the fact he's opened a school which only accepts underpriviledged kids.

Tiger Woods makes MILLIONS.  He is more well-known than any teacher or doctor in the world.  He influences kids to be like him.  To have drive and determination, have goals.

These are but two individuals that have a broader reach than the common folk who have made a difference.  Athletes who bring more than their greed to the table.  The also have more impact than 20 students/year. 

Sure, there's some bad folks out there...but I'm guessing if you took the total % of jackasses in the medical and teaching field and compared it athletes...there'd be more jackasses total in the ed & med fields by far.  It's just too bad there's not a med & ed section in the daily paper right after the sports page.

It's admirable that you want to pay the common folk more, but I do not subscribe to the "teachers > athlete" therefore pay them more theory.  In some cases one superstar is worth more than entire school districts.

Plus I prefer to look at the positives.  Good teachers, good doctors, good athletes, and good people are rewarded appropriately.

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