1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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rdx-fx wrote:

No, definitely not anticipating recoil.
By 'resist recoil', I mean to actively try to get the sights back on target after the front sight leaves the target from recoil.
Essentially, if the front sight is not on target, I'm working to get it back on target ASAP.

But, I'm open to trying new methods with pistols.
Pistols are just different enough from rifles that techniques from rifles may not translate well into pistols.

With standing rifle shooting , the width of your stance has an effect on the elevation of your natural point of aim.

With prone rifles , the line (angle) of your body behind the rifle will change the angle of the heart & breathing wobble.
Ideally, you adjust your angle such that any breathing effects move the scope exactly vertically.

Anything similar to that with pistols?
Fairly similar, generally you need to set yourself up so it all happens passively ie no conscious active input required by you.
Pistol shooting is different from rifle in some ways, and much of it counter-intuitive.
I'll put together something a little longer-winded in a day or so...
Fuck Israel
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6198|Blue Mountain State
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1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

My NightForce NXS got home yesterday.
welcome to the MOA club.
rdx-fx
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1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

My NightForce NXS got home yesterday.
It's a good optic.

Only thing I'd trade in my NXS for would be a Hensoldt
rdx-fx
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Army Marksmanship Unit - Pistol Marksmanship Training Guide

Seems to cover the fundamentals fairly well

Also in PDF format HERE

A bit of a difference between target pistol shooting and military pistol shooting.
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6198|Blue Mountain State
I only get to shoot handguns when I go home on leave, which in the past two years has been six weeks total. I'm going to be rusty when I go home in a few months.
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Baba Booey
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6198|Blue Mountain State
Looks good with grip tape.

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Baba Booey
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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rdx-fx wrote:

Army Marksmanship Unit - Pistol Marksmanship Training Guide

Seems to cover the fundamentals fairly well

Also in PDF format HERE

A bit of a difference between target pistol shooting and military pistol shooting.
Some differences, the fundamentals are exactly the same.
The AMU book won't really take you very far, not in precision or speed, much of it was cribbed from Yur'Yev - some of it wrong. But its the basics at least.
Fuck Israel
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Well, removed the magazine disconnect from my HiPower.

Much smoother trigger pull.
Still a touch heavy, though.

The magazine disconnect is a little spring-driven plunger that comes out of the back of the trigger, and pushes a roughly 1/4" x 1/4" flat plate against the front of the magazine. Every time you pull the trigger, the 1/4" plate rubs against the front of the magazine. Any dirt or oddity on the magazine, shows up directly in the trigger pull.
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6935|US

Dilbert_X wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

Army Marksmanship Unit - Pistol Marksmanship Training Guide

Seems to cover the fundamentals fairly well

Also in PDF format HERE

A bit of a difference between target pistol shooting and military pistol shooting.
Some differences, the fundamentals are exactly the same.
The AMU book won't really take you very far, not in precision or speed, much of it was cribbed from Yur'Yev - some of it wrong. But its the basics at least.
Andy Stanford's book is decent for speed/accuracy concepts, at least in the IPSC/IDPA/combat shooting arena.  Don't expect to be winning any pure accuracy contests with just that.
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6198|Blue Mountain State
Dad mounted the NF on the Stealth for pictures. I'm gong to get a NF NXS Compact for the Stealth when the OBR gets there.

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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Dilbert_X wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

No, definitely not anticipating recoil.
By 'resist recoil', I mean to actively try to get the sights back on target after the front sight leaves the target from recoil.
Essentially, if the front sight is not on target, I'm working to get it back on target ASAP.

But, I'm open to trying new methods with pistols.
Pistols are just different enough from rifles that techniques from rifles may not translate well into pistols.

With standing rifle shooting , the width of your stance has an effect on the elevation of your natural point of aim.

With prone rifles , the line (angle) of your body behind the rifle will change the angle of the heart & breathing wobble.
Ideally, you adjust your angle such that any breathing effects move the scope exactly vertically.

Anything similar to that with pistols?
Fairly similar, generally you need to set yourself up so it all happens passively ie no conscious active input required by you.
Pistol shooting is different from rifle in some ways, and much of it counter-intuitive.
I'll put together something a little longer-winded in a day or so...
Single shot accuracy - Its about how you prepare yourself before the shot and how your body reacts passively after the shot, trying to do anything actively is invariably counter-productive. No-one has the reactions to actively resist recoil as it happens, trying to anticipate recoil inevitably leads to flinching.
You can increase your muscle tension or change your stance so your displacement is minimised passively and in theory accuracy is increased, but thats about it. With centrefire shooting consistency of application becomes significant as recoil is significant. Vary your grip, trigger pull, stance, and muscle tension from shot to shot and the point of impact will vary.

After that rapid-fire shooting is mostly precision shooting done quicker (until you get to instinctive shooting). 'Quicker' means the exact same process done quicker and with less of a gap in between - reducing the gap between is much more important than trying to speed up the shot process. Stance, and grip suddenly become more important, more so than being super-tense.

The body and pistol can be looked at as a mechanical system, masses, levers, springs, dampers. Modern cars don't have active suspension as its just not needed - optimising the geometry and reducing the mass will always work just as trying to actively control recoil won't.
Geometry is much more important than 'tension', except in the wrist.

For example, just looking at the geometry you can see this chap is both fat and doomed to shoot slowly, and probably not too accurately.
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Whereas this fellow should be able to manage a much higher rate of accurate fire.
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The trick is to raise your sholders, not drop your head though.

Probably this is better, his shoulders are practically touching his ear defenders and he hasn't really dropped his head.
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Hard to do with both shoulders, hence the modified isoceles.
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I find this most comfortable and effective, probably because most of my shooting is one handed to begin with.
Or modified weaver.
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Either will do.

You may notice the forearms on some of these guys.
Firm grip -> Stiff wrist -> Reduced muzzle flip -> Recoil happens at your shoulder, or your back foot, not your wrist.
'Tensing your body and trying to anticipate recoil' =/= anything.

Light guns will shoot faster - because they get back on target quicker, and the weaver stance is way over-rated (except when mobility is more important).

Dime drills - meh - entirely pointless. Next time you do live fire throw some duds in amongst a few hundred rounds - then you'll see how good you are. Or take the clunkiest grungiest double action revolver you can find and put in a random selection of live and empty rounds. Or get your friends to stand around you, get one to load - or pretend to load - your HP and hand it to you. The rest can laugh when you flinch.
Keep doing that for 5-6 hours, every weekend.
Then you'll know:
A) How good you really are
B) What normal unanticipated recoil is supposed to feel like

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west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
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1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

Dad mounted the NF on the Stealth for pictures. I'm gong to get a NF NXS Compact for the Stealth when the OBR gets there.

Is that forward enough for you?

Dilbert left out the modified beaver stance
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Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6198|Blue Mountain State
I'm gonna replace the CTR riser with the LaRue RISR so I can pull the charging handle back without having to extend the CTR.
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Baba Booey
west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
+632|6609
not the best article

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap … 20201.aspx

An AK For The 21st Century
February 1, 2012: The two century old Russian firm (Izhmash) that has produced assault rifles since World War II, announced the arrival of the fifth generation AK-47. Called the AK-12 it uses a lot of the basic AK-47 design principles but adds many new features popular in Western assault rifles. Appearing for the first time towards the end of World War II, assault rifles have since become the standard infantry weapon, almost entirely replacing the bolt-action rifle. The first generation AK was the AK-47, in the late 1940s, followed by the AKM in the 1960s, then the AK-74 (which was very similar to the U.S. M-16) in the 1970s and the AN-94 (a much improved AK-74) in the 1990s.

The AK-12 is a 3.3 kg (7.3 pound) weapon that is 943mm (37.1 inches) long with a 415mm (16.3 inch) barrel. It can be fitted to fire one of four calibers, the original 7.62x39mm of the AK-47/AKM, the 5.56x45mm of the M-16, the 5.45x39mm of the AK-74, or the 7.62x51mm NATO rifle/machine-gun round. The AK-12 can use all AK-47/AKM magazines when firing 7.62x39mm ammo.

There are a lot of small but important changes in the AK-12. The stock is adjustable. The charging handle is easily used whether you are left or right handed. There is an improved safety switch, pistol grip, hinged top cover, muzzle break, iron sight, and (smaller) ejection port. The AK-12 has picatinny rails (the U.S. developed standard for attaching all sorts of accessories). The fire control switch now allows for single shot, full automatic, and three round bursts. The AK-12 is inherently more accurate because of improved barrel rifling. The AK-12 handles more easily, has longer effective range (up to 600 meters), and apparently has the same ruggedness of the original AK-47. That last item is being put to the test as the Russian military has agreed to put some AK-12s into the field, where their performance under combat conditions can be monitored.

The AK-12 is the second attempt since the end of the Cold War (in 1991) to develop a worthy successor to the AK-47. Earlier efforts had not been entirely successful. Part of the problem was that there was not a pressing need for a new AK in Russia. For example, last year Russia stopped buying new AK-74 rifles. Since they already have ten million AK assault rifles (most of them older AK-47 and AKM models) in stock and only a million troops on active duty (and about as many in reserve units) buying more assault rifles was deemed wasteful. This did not stop the purchase of special small arms for commandos and other specialist combat units.

The new policy did not stop work on a new standard assault rifle, the AK-12 (also called the AK-200). This weapon was originally based on the 5.45mm AK-74, which replaced the 7.62mm AK-47/AKM series as the standard infantry weapon towards the end of the Cold War. The AK-74 entered service in the 1970s and twenty years later a replacement was developed, the AN-94. This rifle used the 5.45mm round first seen in the AK-74 but was able to use larger (45-round and 60-round) magazines. The AN-94 also had burst fire (of two rounds, while Western rifles tend to use three rounds).

The AN-94 was supposed to replace all AK-74s in Russian service but due to the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, and sharp cuts in the defense budget, this did not happen. There were also concerns about the mechanical complexity and reliability of the AN-94. That's apparently why the AK-12 was not based on the AN-94. One AN-94 feature that was adopted for the AK-12 was a 60 round magazine.

Meanwhile, an improved AK-74M was introduced in 1991 and is still in service. This is a 3.4 kg (7.5 pound), 94.3 cm (37.1 inch) weapon with a 41.5 cm (16.3 inch) barrel. It has rails for sights and such and can use a 30 or 45 round magazine. Rate of fire is 650 RPM on full auto, and max effective range was 600 meters. The AK-74 looked like an AK-47 and used the same technology.

Some five million AK-74s were built, most before the Cold War ended in 1991. North Korea manufactures a copy of the AK-74 called the Type 98. The AK-74M was the basis for the AK-12, and the two weapons are very similar, with the new rifle having more flexibility and capacity for accessories. Over fifty million AK-47s and AKMs were made, most of them outside Russia. Production, on a small scale, continues.

Meanwhile, several additional AK-74 variants have been developed and put on the market. The AK-101 fires the 5.56mm NATO round and has a 30-round clip. The AK-103 fires the 7.62x39mm round used in the original AK-47, for those who have concerns about the ability of the 5.45mm round to stop enemy troops. The AK-102, 104, and 105 are compact rifles designed for the export market and are available in 5.56mm NATO, 7.62x39mm, and 5.45x39mm calibers. All have 30-round clips.

The company that manufactures the AK-74 still has export sales, which actually kept the firm in business for the last two decades. Orders from the Russian military declined steeply with the end of the Cold War and dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, and export sales were pursued aggressively. It was a matter of economic survival for Izhmash, which has been manufacturing weapons since 1807. Izhmash has also tried to shut down all the unlicensed manufacturers of AK-47/74 weapons. This has not been very successful as during the communist period things like patents and trademarks were regarded as capitalist degeneracy.
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1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6198|Blue Mountain State
I'll take one with the GP-30 and EOtech 512.
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Baba Booey
rdx-fx
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I wonder if they bothered to license that stock?
Looks like a copy of the ERGO 93
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
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Colt single action

38 - 40 caliber

from what research we have concluded that this particular one is a salesman firearm
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Dreads & Bergers
+364|6937|Riva, MD
YES, they ruled that Maryland making it difficult to obtain a concealed carry permit is unconstitutional:

"Because the ―good and substantial reason requirement is not reasonably adapted to a substantial government interest, the Court finds this portion of the Maryland law to be unconstitutional. Woollard is entitled to summary judgment. "     

"A law that burdens the exercise of an enumerated constitutional right by simply making that right more difficult to exercise cannot be considered ―reasonably adapted‖ to a government interest, no matter how substantial that interest may be. Maryland‘s goal of ―minimizing the proliferation of handguns among those who do not have a demonstrated need for them,‖ id. at 40, is not a permissible method of preventing crime or ensuring public safety; it burdens the right too broadly. "

"At bottom, this case rests on a simple proposition: If the Government wishes to burden a right guaranteed by the Constitution, it may do so provided that it can show a satisfactory justification and a sufficiently adapted method. The showing, however, is always the Government‘s to make. A citizen may not be required to offer a good and substantial reason why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The right‘s existence is all the reason he needs."   





Now we're a Shall Issue state
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5922|College Park, MD
MO'M will appeal it all the way to SCOTUS. He would kill a man just to not have a stain on his progressivist record.

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Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6198|Blue Mountain State
Sending my satin nickel Colt MKIV to Novak to get tritium sights installed.

I'm also going to send it to the Colt Custom Shop or Wilson Combat to get the front strap checkered with 25 LPI, trigger work, and slide to frame tightning.
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