Last edited by west-phoenix-az (2011-10-16 16:18:50)
Really screws with coyotes and other predators. (note: predators and varmints - NOT game animals)FloppY_ wrote:
I imagine a silencer being sweet when you are on the range alone?
Kinda pointless if someone else is shooting next to you without one, no?
damn, oh well nice to dream.rdx-fx wrote:
You have to have your local chief of police sign off on a form (in duplicate), send that form to the federal BATF with a $200 check and the serial number of the suppressor you want to buy (not model number or type, the uniquely identifying serial number off of the single suppressor), and wait 3-6 months for them to do the paperwork. Then, when they send you the approved paperwork, with the tax stamp, you send this to the suppressor dealer, then he sends the suppressor to your local class-3 firearms dealer for you to pick up.andros wrote:
out of curiosity what would happen if you had silencer in a state where they're banned? felony?
also i know it's illegal but could you go into a state where it's legal, buy one, and come back to your home state where it's illegal?
or possibly even ship one?
AFAIK, possession of a suppressor without the required paperwork on hand is a felony.
Even if you own it legally - if a BATF agent sees you with a suppressor and you cannot provide a copy of the paperwork, you're fucked.
I may have the procedure a little off, but the core point is;
If you aren't legally blessed by the BATF to have that suppressor, DON'T DO IT
Trust sounds like a pain in the ass to me.west-phoenix-az wrote:
You can skip the local sign-off, photos and fingerprints if you go with a trust.
Silenced or not doesn't matter.andros wrote:
damn, oh well nice to dream.
silencers are kinda scary cause theoretically speaking, someone could go into the middle of the woods and come across a group of hikers then pop all of the, drag their bodies off and dip out of there.
pretty much 99% chance you're not gonna get caught, especially if there's no sound.
Last edited by rdx-fx (2011-10-16 16:29:07)
yes but no evidence i'm saying, in the middle of the woods with no one else or around and no cameras. and no cameras near wherever you parked. plus if there's no DNA/hair, finger prints, etc, even worse. unless there happens to be a drone in the area. (lol honestly i have no fucking clue how that shit works but i've seen it in stupid shows and shit before where they get drone footage, even in the middle of no where or under a canopy)rdx-fx wrote:
Silenced or not doesn't matter.andros wrote:
damn, oh well nice to dream.
silencers are kinda scary cause theoretically speaking, someone could go into the middle of the woods and come across a group of hikers then pop all of the, drag their bodies off and dip out of there.
pretty much 99% chance you're not gonna get caught, especially if there's no sound.
Plenty of evidence regardless of if it went "BANG" or "pop"
Trusts are really simple, but can vary by state. They're less trouble than sign-off, passport photos and fingerprints, especially if you plan to register multiple items. You only have to make a trust once and they can be done fairly cheap. Plus you engrave the name of the trust, rather than your name - which is nice if you might sell the item one day. You can include wife, kids, etc. on the trust so they can posses the item without you being present. Approvals are sometimes faster with trusts also.rdx-fx wrote:
Trust sounds like a pain in the ass to me.west-phoenix-az wrote:
You can skip the local sign-off, photos and fingerprints if you go with a trust.
Considering I go to morning coffee with the local Chief of Police & highway patrol, the signoff isn't too much of an issue.
(They go to my family's coffee shop every morning. I happen to be there about that time every day too. More near than with, really)
so what you're asking isandros wrote:
out of curiosity what would happen if you had silencer in a state where they're banned? felony?rdx-fx wrote:
I need to get off my ass and put in the paperwork for two of them.andros wrote:
god damn i want a silencer so bad lol.
One for a semi-auto pistol, another for a 300 WSM.
Just have to find a suppressor that can handle the gas volume and pressures of a 300 WSM.
1.5x the powder mass of a 7.62x51...
Anyone here have any thoughts?
Reciprocity? Delta? SERE?
also i know it's illegal but could you go into a state where it's legal, buy one, and come back to your home state where it's illegal?
or possibly even ship one?
What the difference between killing someone in the woods with or without a silencer? The only people that are gonna hear you shoot are the people you shoot anyway.andros wrote:
yes but no evidence i'm saying, in the middle of the woods with no one else or around and no cameras. and no cameras near wherever you parked. plus if there's no DNA/hair, finger prints, etc, even worse. unless there happens to be a drone in the area. (lol honestly i have no fucking clue how that shit works but i've seen it in stupid shows and shit before where they get drone footage, even in the middle of no where or under a canopy)rdx-fx wrote:
Silenced or not doesn't matter.andros wrote:
damn, oh well nice to dream.
silencers are kinda scary cause theoretically speaking, someone could go into the middle of the woods and come across a group of hikers then pop all of the, drag their bodies off and dip out of there.
pretty much 99% chance you're not gonna get caught, especially if there's no sound.
Plenty of evidence regardless of if it went "BANG" or "pop"
so then the only thing you could by would be ballistics right? i'm sure they could find out what caliber and gun shot it etc and run it through a database or whatever but then if there's no suspect AND the gun and silencer was purchased illegally then... ouch.
yeah i agree on that part. most murderers are busted cause they know the victim one way or the other and have a motive for killing them.Adams_BJ wrote:
What the difference between killing someone in the woods with or without a silencer? The only people that are gonna hear you shoot are the people you shoot anyway.andros wrote:
yes but no evidence i'm saying, in the middle of the woods with no one else or around and no cameras. and no cameras near wherever you parked. plus if there's no DNA/hair, finger prints, etc, even worse. unless there happens to be a drone in the area. (lol honestly i have no fucking clue how that shit works but i've seen it in stupid shows and shit before where they get drone footage, even in the middle of no where or under a canopy)rdx-fx wrote:
Silenced or not doesn't matter.
Plenty of evidence regardless of if it went "BANG" or "pop"
so then the only thing you could by would be ballistics right? i'm sure they could find out what caliber and gun shot it etc and run it through a database or whatever but then if there's no suspect AND the gun and silencer was purchased illegally then... ouch.
Their families will still report them missing.
The police will still do a sweep of the entire area.
The police will most likely find some sort of evidence.
If you're really thorough with your cleanup AND you have no criminal record/database you may get away with it IF it's a random shooting of people you don't know.
If you do know them, you're in trouble, as the police will probably question anyone with a firearm with any sort of relationship to the victims, as most murders are between people who know each other.
They will run ballistics on your weapon if they name you as a suspect.
You will get bum raped in gaol.
i agree dude, was just speaking hypothetically.Adams_BJ wrote:
I'd just recommend not killing anyone.
I know they're already selling the HK45 CT. Probably going to get a fullsize to go with my HK45C.rdx-fx wrote:
You should keep an ear out for the HK45T release date.1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
Should have one of these tomorrow.
Same ergonomics as the P30, .45 ACP, threaded barrel
I had a P30 in .40 S&W.1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
I know they're already selling the HK45 CT. Probably going to get a fullsize to go with my HK45C.
And I got the USP45 Custom Combat with tan frame. I what a OD one too. Then a MK23, P7, etc.
Well, military M9s get beat to crap!rdx-fx wrote:
I had a P30 in .40 S&W.1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
I know they're already selling the HK45 CT. Probably going to get a fullsize to go with my HK45C.
And I got the USP45 Custom Combat with tan frame. I what a OD one too. Then a MK23, P7, etc.
Like my new Beretta 92 9mm better.
More accurate - double taps into a 12" target at 50yds.
Strangely, I absolutely hated my issue M9 in the early 1990's.
May try the HK45T, if it has the same changeable grips as the P30.
http://thunderbeastarms.com/products/30p-1rdx-fx wrote:
I need to get off my ass and put in the paperwork for two of them.andros wrote:
god damn i want a silencer so bad lol.
One for a semi-auto pistol, another for a 300 WSM.
Just have to find a suppressor that can handle the gas volume and pressures of a 300 WSM.
1.5x the powder mass of a 7.62x51...
Anyone here have any thoughts?
Reciprocity? Delta? SERE?
zero wear ...... usually you'll get the wear on the slide release but not with cerakotewest-phoenix-az wrote:
How well do they hold up to holster wear?SEREMAKER wrote:
ig's blued 92 just got a cerakote job ....... armor black with gun metal grey
wifes PPS with sniper grey
What kind of holster?
Was born there.iceman785 wrote:
Ya know, if you lived in Alaska you wouldn't need a suppressor license or a conceal carry license... Gotta love this state.
What happened to your USP 45?rdx-fx wrote:
I had a P30 in .40 S&W.1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
I know they're already selling the HK45 CT. Probably going to get a fullsize to go with my HK45C.
And I got the USP45 Custom Combat with tan frame. I what a OD one too. Then a MK23, P7, etc.
Like my new Beretta 92 9mm better.
More accurate - double taps into a 12" target at 50yds.
Strangely, I absolutely hated my issue M9 in the early 1990's.
May try the HK45T, if it has the same changeable grips as the P30.
Sold the USP .45 and USP 9mm1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
What happened to your USP 45?
Suppressor license? You mean the tax stamp from the BATFE, that every individual buying a suppressor in the US must have?iceman785 wrote:
Ya know, if you lived in Alaska you wouldn't need a suppressor license or a conceal carry license... Gotta love this state.
