WilhelmSissener
Banned
+557|6732|Oslo, Norway
Just some diffrences made clear by a newspaper article

"Except for pictures of my wife and family, these are my favourite pictures." - Donald Rumsfeld

It says everything. You see South-Korea with the same people in the north and the same resources. However they have a free political and financial system.

The people in the north are starving, Growth is destroyed. It's a discrase and a tragedie - Donald Rumsfeld
OCTOBER 2006
https://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/47/479/479748/ekorea4_1160826863.jpg
This sattelite images from the american defenceoffice, show the difference between North- and South-Korea during the night

DECEMBER 2002
https://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/47/479/479748/koreaendamerlys_1160827712.jpg
The light area that covers large parts 'south-east' on the picture is South-Korea. The light on the top is China, in between is North-Korea

APRIL 2001
https://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/47/479/479748/koreamerlys_1160827742.jpg
On this image there is not even light in the capital, Pyongyang.


In my opinion it is clear that something is wrong and has been for a long time.
Cybargs
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They have a shit economy, people are starving to death, what would you expect?
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unnamednewbie13
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

They have a shit economy, people are starving to death, what would you expect?
Funny that alot of people would say that you're a blind, pro-American capitalist for saying that.
Cybargs
Moderated
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

They have a shit economy, people are starving to death, what would you expect?
Funny that alot of people would say that you're a blind, pro-American capitalist for saying that.
Yes it's funny after they posted, and looked at where I live.
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

They have a shit economy, people are starving to death, what would you expect?
Funny that alot of people would say that you're a blind, pro-American capitalist for saying that.
I don't know why they would... There's defectors everywhere saying that.
PHPR Hunter
Member
+4|6536

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

They have a shit economy, people are starving to death, what would you expect?
Funny that alot of people would say that you're a blind, pro-American capitalist for saying that.
I thought that was just a fact.  Has nothing to do with pro-American capitalist or not.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6528|Global Command
Proof that socialism fails when taken to its extreme.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6770|PNW

PHPR Hunter wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

They have a shit economy, people are starving to death, what would you expect?
Funny that alot of people would say that you're a blind, pro-American capitalist for saying that.
I thought that was just a fact.  Has nothing to do with pro-American capitalist or not.
Of course it is, and of course it doesn't. But that doesn't really matter to people who use the slightest excuse to throw labels around and slam anything that conflicts with their own views.
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6691
It's cause they shut down the power at night fall. Those silly North Koreans...
JahManRed
wank
+646|6627|IRELAND

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

They have a shit economy, people are starving to death, what would you expect?
The people are being punished for what their dictator does. Same as Iraqi. The ppl have no way to overthrow the rulers yet it is they who are punished. I bet those few lights in North Korea are Kim's palaces. Clinton went there and got dialog going, which could have continued. WTF have Bush and Co been doing the last 6 years? Ignoring plees for diplomacy while issuing under handed threats pushing the already paranoid leader to produce nukes. Way to go............................................. again.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6528|Global Command
Pfffftttttttttt ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|6719|California

They have a power curfiew
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6404|North Carolina

ATG wrote:

Proof that socialism fails when taken to its extreme.
It's also proof that totalitarian government is not the way to go.  However, I would like to correct your statement just slightly.  There is an important difference between socialism and communism.  North Korea is communist, whereas Sweden is mostly socialist.  You can have a socialist style government and infrastructure while still being capitalistic in economy and succeed quite admirably.

North Korea is such an incredible failure of a country because its actual economy is communist and not capitalist.  Oddly, China has discovered that you can have a communist government with a capitalist economy and thrive.  Of course, China will soon have no choice but to switch to some form of a representative government as its people become more educated and demand more from their government.

Last edited by Turquoise (2006-10-15 13:12:34)

Aenima_Eyes
Member
+20|6650

JahManRed wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

They have a shit economy, people are starving to death, what would you expect?
The people are being punished for what their dictator does. Same as Iraqi. The ppl have no way to overthrow the rulers yet it is they who are punished. I bet those few lights in North Korea are Kim's palaces. Clinton went there and got dialog going, which could have continued. WTF have Bush and Co been doing the last 6 years? Ignoring plees for diplomacy while issuing under handed threats pushing the already paranoid leader to produce nukes. Way to go............................................. again.
Wait. . .you mean that Clinton went there and bent over like a little bitch and let Kim Jong Il ram his little Korean cock up his ass?  Yeah, that's what I thought you meant.

It is widely agreed by people on BOTH ends of the political spectrum that Il was breaking Clinton's little treaties and nonsense before the ink was ever dry on the paper.  Clinton did nothing but extend the time that Il could stay in power.  Il knows that he's got to at least keep his soldiers and some of the populace fed and alive.  So, he acts up every few years to get attention and get countries to give him aid.  That's why he and North Korea are DEMANDING one on one talks with the U.S.  Bush (for all the shit he gets given about foreign policy) actually used some common sense (unlike Clinton) and called for negotiations with other countries involved.
Turquoise
O Canada
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Aenima_Eyes wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

They have a shit economy, people are starving to death, what would you expect?
The people are being punished for what their dictator does. Same as Iraqi. The ppl have no way to overthrow the rulers yet it is they who are punished. I bet those few lights in North Korea are Kim's palaces. Clinton went there and got dialog going, which could have continued. WTF have Bush and Co been doing the last 6 years? Ignoring plees for diplomacy while issuing under handed threats pushing the already paranoid leader to produce nukes. Way to go............................................. again.
Wait. . .you mean that Clinton went there and bent over like a little bitch and let Kim Jong Il ram his little Korean cock up his ass?  Yeah, that's what I thought you meant.

It is widely agreed by people on BOTH ends of the political spectrum that Il was breaking Clinton's little treaties and nonsense before the ink was ever dry on the paper.  Clinton did nothing but extend the time that Il could stay in power.  Il knows that he's got to at least keep his soldiers and some of the populace fed and alive.  So, he acts up every few years to get attention and get countries to give him aid.  That's why he and North Korea are DEMANDING one on one talks with the U.S.  Bush (for all the shit he gets given about foreign policy) actually used some common sense (unlike Clinton) and called for negotiations with other countries involved.
I honestly believe blaming North Korea's state on either Bush or Clinton is rather naive.  North Korea has been a basket case for decades.  There's not much any president can do about Kim other than wait and watch.  Thankfully, he's mostly just an attention whore.  He loves to make a spectacle of himself, and whenever he throws the word "nuke" around, he gets our attention.  Personally, I think the current policies with North Korea are the best, since these people are as good as dead under Kim.  There just isn't much we can do about it.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6599|132 and Bush

That's what Hawaii will look like tonight.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
aardfrith
Δ > x > ¥
+145|6791

WilhelmSissener wrote:

Just some diffrences made clear by a newspaper article

"Except for pictures of my wife and family, these are my favourite pictures." - Donald Rumsfeld

It says everything. You see South-Korea with the same people in the north and the same resources. However they have a free political and financial system.

The people in the north are starving, Growth is destroyed. It's a discrase and a tragedie - Donald Rumsfeld
OCTOBER 2006
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/ … 826863.jpg
This sattelite images from the american defenceoffice, show the difference between North- and South-Korea during the night

DECEMBER 2002
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/ … 827712.jpg
The light area that covers large parts 'south-east' on the picture is South-Korea. The light on the top is China, in between is North-Korea

APRIL 2001
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/ … 827742.jpg
On this image there is not even light in the capital, Pyongyang.


In my opinion it is clear that something is wrong and has been for a long time.
To me, it says there's far too much light pollution in South Korea.
Aenima_Eyes
Member
+20|6650

Turquoise wrote:

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

JahManRed wrote:


The people are being punished for what their dictator does. Same as Iraqi. The ppl have no way to overthrow the rulers yet it is they who are punished. I bet those few lights in North Korea are Kim's palaces. Clinton went there and got dialog going, which could have continued. WTF have Bush and Co been doing the last 6 years? Ignoring plees for diplomacy while issuing under handed threats pushing the already paranoid leader to produce nukes. Way to go............................................. again.
Wait. . .you mean that Clinton went there and bent over like a little bitch and let Kim Jong Il ram his little Korean cock up his ass?  Yeah, that's what I thought you meant.

It is widely agreed by people on BOTH ends of the political spectrum that Il was breaking Clinton's little treaties and nonsense before the ink was ever dry on the paper.  Clinton did nothing but extend the time that Il could stay in power.  Il knows that he's got to at least keep his soldiers and some of the populace fed and alive.  So, he acts up every few years to get attention and get countries to give him aid.  That's why he and North Korea are DEMANDING one on one talks with the U.S.  Bush (for all the shit he gets given about foreign policy) actually used some common sense (unlike Clinton) and called for negotiations with other countries involved.
I honestly believe blaming North Korea's state on either Bush or Clinton is rather naive.  North Korea has been a basket case for decades.  There's not much any president can do about Kim other than wait and watch.  Thankfully, he's mostly just an attention whore.  He loves to make a spectacle of himself, and whenever he throws the word "nuke" around, he gets our attention.  Personally, I think the current policies with North Korea are the best, since these people are as good as dead under Kim.  There just isn't much we can do about it.
I wasn't blaming "Kim Jong Il" on Clinton.  I was saying that it's asinine to try and point the finger at Bush for his handling of the "North Korea situation" when Clinton's was just as bad or worse. 

Kim Jong Il will never launch a nuke at anyone.  Why?  He knows good and well that the moment he does he and his regime will cease to exist.  His whole goal is to stay in power and keep the regime alive.  To do this he knows he has to act up every now and again so people will pay attention to his part of the world and give his country food and aid. 

It's stupid for the US to try and do anything to him because he's so insulated.  As long as China wants N. Korea around and we want China around nothing is ever going to change.
GunSlinger OIF II
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ATG wrote:

socialism fails...........

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2006-10-15 18:43:20)

Snipedya14
Dont tread on me
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Aenima_Eyes wrote:

Wait. . .you mean that Clinton went there and bent over like a little bitch and let Kim Jong Il ram his little Korean cock up his ass?  Yeah, that's what I thought you meant.
That was rather vivid imagery.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6642
Deformed babies killed for super race


THE North Korean regime's obsession with racial purity has led to the killing of disabled infants and forced abortions for women suspected of conceiving their babies by Chinese fathers, according to a growing body of testimony from defectors.

The latest description of Kim Jong-il's policy of state eugenics came from a North Korean doctor, Ri Kwang-chol, who escaped last year and told a forum in Seoul that babies with deformities were killed soon after birth.

"There are no people with physical defects in North Korea," Dr Ri said. Such babies were put to death by medical staff and buried quickly, he claimed. He denied ever committing the act himself.

Exiles in Seoul said Dr Ri was now keeping a low profile, fearing retaliation by North Korean agents, who have assassinated foes in the South Korean capital before. But his account added to the evidence that the Kim family dictatorship is founded on mystical notions of Korean racial superiority rather than Marxism - a reality that explains its deepening estrangement from China.

Along the 1370km border, North Korean women refugees have emerged with stories that speak of the regime's preoccupation with "deviant" sexual relations and its predisposition to violence in dealing with them.

One such account came from a 30-year-old woman who calls herself Han Myong-suk. She escaped twice and reached a safe haven in an undisclosed third country within the past year thanks to Helping Hands Korea, an American Christian group.

She said she was sold by traffickers to a Chinese farmer near the Great Wall, and was five months pregnant by him when she was caught by the Chinese police and deported back to North Korea. There she was held in one of three female detention centres, which have been identified in the towns of Sinuju, Onsong and Chongin.

Her account was taken down by Tim Peters, an American Christian activist who founded the group.

"I defied the order to abort the fetus the prison authorities contemptuously called a 'Chinese Chink' and was badly beaten and kicked in my belly by a guard. His name was Hwang Myong-dong," she said.

One week later, said Ms Han, she was led to a prison clinic "where in a most blunt manner they extracted the dead child from my body".

Ms Han survived the depraved conditions of a labour camp for several years before her release and eventual second escape. Her story represented important corroboration of a practice that was first detailed in a report in 2003 for the pressure group US Committee of Human Rights in North Korea that was compiled by David Hawk, a human rights investigator.

Mr Hawk found "extreme phenomena of repression ... unique to North Korea" and concluded that its regime practised "ethnic infanticide". He traced eight female witnesses who gave distressing accounts of child murder.

One took place at the women's detention centre in Sinuiju, a border zone visible across the Yalu River from the Chinese city of Dandong.

Choi Yong-hwa, 28, described how she was made to accompany a heavily pregnant woman, who had also been returned across the bridge from China, to a clinic where doctors induced labour.

After the infant was born, Ms Choi said she and other women stood by in disbelief as it was suffocated with a wet towel. The mother passed out.

A 66-year-old grandmother also testified to witnessing the deaths of babies at Sinuiju, two of them healthy boys born at full term. The first belonged to a 28-year-old woman called Lim.

The witness was holding the newborn in a blanket when a guard grabbed him by a leg and threw him into a large box lined with plastic.

A total of seven babies - five born prematurely after labour was induced - were left to die in the box. Two days later the premature babies were dead.

The two full-term boys were still blinking, although their lips had turned blue.

A guard battered them to death with forceps, the witness said. At the Nongpo centre in Chongjin, witnesses saw the "children of betrayers" tossed into a wicker basket, covered in plastic sheeting and left to die.

One woman watched the killing of seven babies, taken from their mothers and left face-down on the ground within their view. After two days the guards smothered any that were still alive. "Guards would say the mothers had to see and hear their babies die because they were Chinese," the report said.

The Korean Bar Association says that 58 per cent of defectors interviewed by its lawyers have testified to seeing or hearing of coerced abortions in the North Korean prison system.

The aid group Medecins Sans Frontieres left North Korea in 1998, citing among its reasons the regime's refusal to grant access to so-called "9-27 camps", where sick and disabled children were dumped. The apparent contradiction between the humanitarian group's statement and the recent claims by Dr Ri may be explained by the time that elapsed between them.

In the same period hardliners have come into the ascendant, throwing out almost all foreign aid workers, tightening up political controls and intensifying repression as the regime set out on its path of confrontation over its nuclear weapons program.

"It's vital to recognise that juche - the dogma of self-reliance - is not a theory but a cult and that Kim is worshipped as the leader of a religion," said a veteran Western diplomat who negotiated with the North Koreans on 19 visits.

"These Koreans genuinely believe they are a master race and that the peninsula will be united under the rule of the Kim dynasty."

Behind the facade of a Supreme People's Assembly, a presidium, a cabinet and the Korean Workers party, North Korea operates as a one-man military dictatorship founded on clan rule, blood ties and deification of the leader. Kim is falsely said to have been born on the sacred slopes of Mount Paektu.

This is used to legitimise behaviour by agents of the state which human rights activists believe will one day form the basis of indictments for crimes against humanity. Defectors have told of experiments to test Kim's chemical weapons, one giving an account of prisoners tethered to a hillside and gassed.

Unlike the child killings, though, this story has never been verified by more than one witness.

A study by three researchers at Seoul's Korean Rehabilitation Centre for Torture Victims surveyed the experience of 30 defectors among the 7400 people who have since found refuge in the south.

All had been subjected to torture, both physical and psychological, at the hands of Kim's military security agency. Again, one torture centre was identified at Sinuiju. More than half were punished merely for having Chinese currency and more than half said they experienced sexual violence.

They reported beatings, electrocution, submersion in water and the "doghouse torture" in which the victim is contorted into an unnatural and agonising posture.

"This study strongly suggests the need for international organisations such as the United Nations to put an end to the return of defectors from China," the researchers said. China has refused to allow the UN High Commissioner for Refugees any access to the border.

The Sunday Times
nancyhutto
Member
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Can't we all just get along?  Communicating would be a start...like the US with Kim Jong Il.  When I was a student at Baylor, my studies abroad included working in North Korea.  I met Kim several times and found him to be a wonderful person who cares about every single soul in his country.  Once the world starts to talk to him, I think people throughout the world will start to call him the Great Leader and history will ultimately view him at a level near Mohammed or Jesus.


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unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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nancyhutto wrote:

Can't we all just get along?  Communicating would be a start...like the US with Kim Jong Il.  When I was a student at Baylor, my studies abroad included working in North Korea.  I met Kim several times and found him to be a wonderful person who cares about every single soul in his country.  Once the world starts to talk to him, I think people throughout the world will start to call him the Great Leader and history will ultimately view him at a level near Mohammed or Jesus.


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Lol, that's such a set-up post.
WilhelmSissener
Banned
+557|6732|Oslo, Norway

nancyhutto wrote:

Can't we all just get along?  Communicating would be a start...like the US with Kim Jong Il.  When I was a student at Baylor, my studies abroad included working in North Korea.  I met Kim several times and found him to be a wonderful person who cares about every single soul in his country.  Once the world starts to talk to him, I think people throughout the world will start to call him the Great Leader and history will ultimately view him at a level near Mohammed or Jesus.


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lol, that is the worst attempt at tricking someone that I have ever seen!
SlickNEO
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Nancy...please study what the man does to his own people who disagree with him.  You could also read what Muhammad says to do to his own people when they disagree.  It is amazing what the History books today are teaching us.  Garbage.  You sound like one who would set prisoners free because they smile at you and can put on a good act for a while.  Please.  He is a politician, he knows how to manipulate "foreigners" to come back here and tell us how nice of a guy he is.  Open your eyes girl, sincerely spoken...

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