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2006-10-09 16:33:26
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|6974|California

I am sick of the news. But in truth, all world's news networks are bias towards something.

Here is the list of news and news programs i cannot stand:

Fox News
Crossfire with Tucker Carlson
some of CNN's stuff

I find the most fair United States news network is ABC. They seem to have a balance on both sides of the issues MOST of the time.
2006-10-09 16:37:37
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6814

CameronPoe wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I fail to see how. I'm a very logical, analytical and discerning individual. My job demands it. I'm an engineer. I deal in facts and figures. There are people ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE being 'brainwashed' - I don't think I fall into the category of 'brainwashee'. I critically appraise EVERYTHING I read or see before making a judgement call on it.
By scrutinizing the data that supports your idea and quickly labeling anything else as propaganda.
That is quite simply untrue. I don't let go of an argument lightly and usually have all my bases covered. If I am presented with a counter-argument that forces me to concede a point, then I openly accept it as I have many times in the past. The 60+ thread on Israel is testament to the fact that I have the facts, can present them clearly and concisely, I can use them to back my POV up (which I form myself) and can then rebutt all responses to my argument (unless of course I concede on a particular point here or there). My view is rarely 100% entrenched.
My point is that most arguements can't be proven by facts and quotes and all that good stuff. We are talking about lives and land and patriotism. You being an engineer should know that it impossible to prove something based on qualitative data.

Last edited by rawls2 (2006-10-09 16:38:15)

2006-10-09 16:37:58
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6803|Southeastern USA

Pug wrote:

All media outlets are biased.  I would challenge you to name on that isn't.
purty much, even bbc, or at least BBCA (I can't get straight BBC anymore), though the only reasoning I could ever see for FOX being right is the presence of an optimistic piece once in a while or at least a piece addressing the other side of the "hot topic" coin, as opposed to 24 hours of "APOLOGIZE FOR BEING SUCCESSFUL!!! GIVE ALL YOUR MONEY TO A CRACKHEAD!!!! YOU ARE TO BLAME IF SOMEONE HATES YOU!!!! BLAME (insert allied nation here) FOREIGN/DOMESTIC POLICY FOR TERRORIST ATTACKS NOT TERRORISTS" shit cycle seens on good ol ted's stations, which is also the reason why you could see CNN in cuba, it's owner (former?) has had nothing but ringing endorsements to say about castro
2006-10-09 16:39:18
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6745|Northern California

stryyker wrote:

I am sick of the news. But in truth, all world's news networks are bias towards something.

Here is the list of news and news programs i cannot stand:

Fox News
Crossfire with Tucker Carlson
some of CNN's stuff

I find the most fair United States news network is ABC. They seem to have a balance on both sides of the issues MOST of the time.
I think this is why so many people are tuning into the news satirists out there like John Stewart, SNL, etc.  They can breifly hear about news events, then hear a humorous spin on them..and then it's gone!  No 5 day JonBenet's Killer programming that makes you want to slit your wrists!
2006-10-09 16:39:42
smtt686
this is the best we can do?
+95|6885|USA
i really cant stand cnn. its like watching a top 40 radio station. same crappy stories 48 times a day. and how does nancy grace get taken seriously?
2006-10-09 16:41:14
jonsimon
Member
+224|6749

IRONCHEF wrote:

stryyker wrote:

I am sick of the news. But in truth, all world's news networks are bias towards something.

Here is the list of news and news programs i cannot stand:

Fox News
Crossfire with Tucker Carlson
some of CNN's stuff

I find the most fair United States news network is ABC. They seem to have a balance on both sides of the issues MOST of the time.
I think this is why so many people are tuning into the news satirists out there like John Stewart, SNL, etc.  They can breifly hear about news events, then hear a humorous spin on them..and then it's gone!  No 5 day JonBenet's Killer programming that makes you want to slit your wrists!
That's exactly what Daily show is for me, Current Events and a good laugh.
2006-10-09 16:42:18
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6745|Northern California
Yep, nancy grace, paula zahn = pit bulls.

THIS is the hottest newswoman in the world.  You cannot fight her words.  If she broadcasted the news everynight, you'd believe it just because you should.

But honestly, watch this wonderful, beatiful woman tell it like it is!

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2006-10-09 16:48:54)

2006-10-09 16:45:38
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6809

rawls2 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

By scrutinizing the data that supports your idea and quickly labeling anything else as propaganda.
That is quite simply untrue. I don't let go of an argument lightly and usually have all my bases covered. If I am presented with a counter-argument that forces me to concede a point, then I openly accept it as I have many times in the past. The 60+ thread on Israel is testament to the fact that I have the facts, can present them clearly and concisely, I can use them to back my POV up (which I form myself) and can then rebutt all responses to my argument (unless of course I concede on a particular point here or there). My view is rarely 100% entrenched.
My point is that most arguements can't be proven by facts and quotes and all that good stuff. We are talking about lives and land and patriotism. You being an engineer should know that it impossible to prove something based on qualitative data.
The best basis for rebutting an argument is with facts, where available. Emotive rhetoric either works or it doesn't when it comes to making a point, it isn't objective. You take as many objective facts as you can to the table and work from there because black and white facts cannot be argued with. You usually then reach a stalemate over various issues upon which you agree to disagree. That's how I argue anyway.

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2006-10-09 16:47:52
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6803|Southeastern USA
nancy grace keeps shoving her foot in her mouth, everytime some chick goes missing she's yelling "the husband done kilt her!!!" like with that runaway bride, only to find out that the chick ran off by herself, or some similar nonsense, she's making her career by finding people guilty until proven innocent in the court of public opinion and it's going to bite here in the ass
2006-10-09 16:56:27
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6745|Northern California
damn..i just watched this whole video and I apologize, but i have to double post it.. http://movies.crooksandliars.com/cnn_rs … 60326a.wmv

Watch at the end when she tears Laura Ingrahm a new hole..and the end shot...daaaaang she's hot!  And she's right!
2006-10-09 17:08:58
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6773|Πάϊ

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

You are way to biased now. Can't read anything you write because it is way to slanted.
I agree. I used to read his posts, but now as I read them, all I see is "America blah blah blah" and simply don't care to read any further. It's becoming tiresome.
LoL!! It's that feeling when you're reading a post that's completely opposite to your view of things... you just don't know where to start, what to address first, how to disagree etc...

There's two kinds of people though in these forums:
1) trolls that post 2 lines tops just flaming and calling names, and
2) people like Cameron who take the time to explain and create a background of their views (which may seem extreme to some, but at least they're elaborated).

I would understand you not reading through Cams posts if he were type 1. But since its type 2, deep down you know it... The reason you don't take the time to read them through is because you have nothing to say.
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2006-10-09 17:13:48
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6745|Northern California

oug wrote:

I would understand you not reading through Cams posts if he were type 1. But since its type 2, deep down you know it... The reason you don't take the time to read them through is because you have nothing to say.
owned.  and true.  i don't get much from pollux either..just a lot of nothing..even when i sincerely beg for substance.
2006-10-09 21:53:13
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6963|Wilmington, DE, US
I am a total type 1.
2006-10-09 21:57:48
PspRpg-7
-
+961|6952

smtt686 wrote:

PspRpg-7 wrote:

smtt686 wrote:

generally i dont listen to cnn or faux news.  i listen to cnbc and bloomberg.  hope thats intelligent enough for ya!
Capitalization is the difference between "i helped my uncle jack off a horse" and "I helped my uncle Jack off a horse."
if i was writing a proposal or my thesis then yes i would worry about caps. but u see i really dont care.

good luck with your uncle and the horse! hope everything works out like you expected!
I don't think you'll have to worry about a thesis for a while...

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2006-10-10 03:00:47
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6905|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

Whilst in Cuba I, rather surprisingly, had access to the US version of CNN in the hotel I stayed in for the first four days. I watched with great interest and to be honest great horror and disdain. It is an affront to journalistic integrity and a propaganda-machine of Orwellian-Goebbelian proportions. I am familiar with the likes of FOX News too as whenever I return home to Donegal I can watch it on their digital package. It too is an affront to journalistic integrity and a propaganda-machine of Orwellian-Goebbelian proportions.

In every report carried by either station subliminal messages pervade every facet of each story, each one crafted with subtle language designed to lead the viewer to a particular conclusion of their choosing. Tickertapes clutter the bottom of the screen planting subliminal ideas in the minds of less-discerning viewers. The lines between news item and editorial are all but completely indistinguishable. Headlines can now, it seems, carry a question mark: essentially allowing 'news' channels to plant an idea in a viewers head for which they need provide no proof or indeed have any basis for proving at all.

The majority mindless masses of the world watch TV with their 'awareness' and 'discernment' levels set to near zero. These people have votes. When the news media operates in such a seemingly unregulated and completely biased fashion bad things happen, as history can testify. Propaganda can even rewrite history in the minds of the imbeciles.

So, what are we to do about this? The most powerful nation on earth is infested with odious indoctrinating tripe for their personal viewing pleasure. Each station slants so much that it is no wonder people in USA have such black/white good/evil 1/0 diametrically opposed viewpoints. What is to be done about the impact propaganda has on the gormless idiots it affects when it comes to election time?

PS Are intelligent Americans not sick of it?
yes yes, we Americans are shut ins and have no idea what is going on in the world. We have no choice but to "drink the cool aid" giving to us by "Goebel".We never heard of, or even have access to the internet for further points of view and stories ( never mind it was invented in America along with the fuckin operating systems that make it possible, and probably the damn computer itself). We are mindless robots bouncing off of each other doing everything that is commanded of us. You got us pegged Cam.
2006-10-10 03:05:46
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6809

lowing wrote:

yes yes, we Americans are shut ins and have no idea what is going on in the world. We have no choice but to "drink the cool aid" giving to us by "Goebel".We never heard of, or even have access to the internet for further points of view and stories ( never mind it was invented in America along with the fuckin operating systems that make it possible, and probably the damn computer itself). We are mindless robots bouncing off of each other doing everything that is commanded of us. You got us pegged Cam.
You have shown a remarkable lack of understanding of the limits and details of the OP. Did I say Americans weren't capable of finding information themselves? No. Did I say America was unaware of what goes on in the outside world? No (although a lot are but that's not not propaganda, that's ignorance). Some people are SOOOoooo sensitive. I'm talking about the dregs of society in any country, those who have votes and are bleating drones who lap up all of the slanted crap that oozes out of their televisions. If you think the media is propaganda-free then you are really should lump yourself in with said dregs.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-10-10 03:06:41)

2006-10-10 03:18:21
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6905|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

yes yes, we Americans are shut ins and have no idea what is going on in the world. We have no choice but to "drink the cool aid" giving to us by "Goebel".We never heard of, or even have access to the internet for further points of view and stories ( never mind it was invented in America along with the fuckin operating systems that make it possible, and probably the damn computer itself). We are mindless robots bouncing off of each other doing everything that is commanded of us. You got us pegged Cam.
You have shown a remarkable lack of understanding of the limits and details of the OP. Did I say Americans weren't capable of finding information themselves? No. Did I say America was unaware of what goes on in the outside world? No (although a lot are but that's not not propaganda, that's ignorance). Some people are SOOOoooo sensitive. I'm talking about the dregs of society in any country, those who have votes and are bleating drones who lap up all of the slanted crap that oozes out of their televisions. If you think the media is propaganda-free then you are really should lump yourself in with said dregs.
well to coin your tactic...............Did I say the media was propaganda free??

your post, once again, smacks of America bashing. If you intended it to do so, one can only guess.
2006-10-10 03:28:57
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6809

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

yes yes, we Americans are shut ins and have no idea what is going on in the world. We have no choice but to "drink the cool aid" giving to us by "Goebel".We never heard of, or even have access to the internet for further points of view and stories ( never mind it was invented in America along with the fuckin operating systems that make it possible, and probably the damn computer itself). We are mindless robots bouncing off of each other doing everything that is commanded of us. You got us pegged Cam.
You have shown a remarkable lack of understanding of the limits and details of the OP. Did I say Americans weren't capable of finding information themselves? No. Did I say America was unaware of what goes on in the outside world? No (although a lot are but that's not not propaganda, that's ignorance). Some people are SOOOoooo sensitive. I'm talking about the dregs of society in any country, those who have votes and are bleating drones who lap up all of the slanted crap that oozes out of their televisions. If you think the media is propaganda-free then you are really should lump yourself in with said dregs.
well to coin your tactic...............Did I say the media was propaganda free??

your post, once again, smacks of America bashing. If you intended it to do so, one can only guess.
OMG more senitivity. America bash this, America bash that. What is it you guys have against people exercising free speech? Does it really bother you THAT much? Really? I can take criticism about Ireland all fucking day long and not have to comment on people 'Ireland bashing', heaven knows there's plenty to criticise (our taoiseach at the end of WWII sent a letter of condolence to Germany on the death of Hitler for instance). And yet another poster uses a term that insinuates I hate America, which is simply not true. America is not ONE single solitary entity or concept. No country is. It has a near infinite number of aspects, some good and some bad.

PS Notice the use of the word 'if' in my last post.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-10-10 03:32:23)

2006-10-10 03:40:07
Pernicious544
Zee Tank Skank
+80|6954|MoVal So-Cal
I get my news form the only reliable sources i know...

The Daily Show and The Colbert report


any major news show is crap, they all have their own views, I dont care where your from your "news" is just like our "news." Its all a bunch of horse crap.
2006-10-10 07:01:44
alpinestar
Member
+304|6850|New York City baby.
Dear friend with regards to american media there is only one true speaking person out there.

and here too



So now imagine all these people beeing brain washed by such media sources, well for say 20+ years.
Effects are rather strong I can tell by talking to my neighbour.

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2006-10-10 07:29:52
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6772|Montucky
I don't bother with Media outside of the township/county/State I Live in, because honestly anything outside of the state of Montana has no affect on me in anyway shape or form, I still preform my job to the best of my abilities, my wife and son don't go hungry and I have a home to occupy.  I have, however noticed how fast people are to flame the law enforcement office since we don't respond in 10 milliseconds to every complaint reported to us and for some odd reason there is always one "letter to the editor" from the same jerk that has an opionon on everything.
2006-10-10 07:33:42
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6897
CSPAN, BBC, and PBS....

and i love to watch fox news to get mad and throw shit at my TV
2006-10-10 10:40:17
PuckMercury
6 x 9 = 42
+298|6781|Portland, OR USA

TeamZephyr wrote:

Begin all the idiots complaining about "liberal" media.
It has nothing to do with liberal media.  It has nothing to do with conservative media.  It has to do with spun media.  News should be an unspun non-bias expose of facts independent from opinion or perspective to the largest degree possible.  The exception to this comes when the tag of "editorial" is used to encapsulate the dialogue being streamed to the masses.

There does not exist an unbias source of news.  Nor is it truly possible to obtain such a thing from any one source from within any nation.  Multiple sources are required.
2006-10-10 10:51:05
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6803|Southeastern USA

oug wrote:

that stuff about the two types
I tend to oscillate between the two, but there is something to be said for getting your point across rather succinctly in one or two lines as well, or even disguising your point as a troll/flame just to further prove your point

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-10-10 10:51:39)

2006-10-10 11:00:19
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6900

IRONCHEF wrote:

oug wrote:

I would understand you not reading through Cams posts if he were type 1. But since its type 2, deep down you know it... The reason you don't take the time to read them through is because you have nothing to say.
owned.  and true.  i don't get much from pollux either..just a lot of nothing..even when i sincerely beg for substance.
The last time you "begged for substance" you asked me to supply evidence proving evolution.

IRONCHEF wrote:

Oh, and I'd love for you to cite some of the "science" that proves evolution.  Then I'd love for you to tackle the truth that scientist are just dumb, slow, vain men and women trying to discover how God created things, seasons, time and space.  They get it now and then, but mostly they are dealing with adversaries beyond their understanding.
How can you say something like that and still try to come off as someone who has any clue what they're talking about?


oug wrote:

LoL!! It's that feeling when you're reading a post that's completely opposite to your view of things... you just don't know where to start, what to address first, how to disagree etc...

There's two kinds of people though in these forums:
1) trolls that post 2 lines tops just flaming and calling names, and
2) people like Cameron who take the time to explain and create a background of their views (which may seem extreme to some, but at least they're elaborated).

I would understand you not reading through Cams posts if he were type 1. But since its type 2, deep down you know it... The reason you don't take the time to read them through is because you have nothing to say.
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I agree with more things CameronPoe says than I disagree with. Even if I disagree with him, he still makes and supports a thought-out point, unlike the IRONCHEFs, PRiMACORDs, and jonsimons of this forum. What I'm saying is that the same threads keep popping up over and over again and deteriorate into the same pro-America vs anti-America squabbling. Without even fully reading the topic, I knew what he was going to say. Going a little off topic here, I often wonder how many times you guys can make the same threads about Bush, Israel, and American involvement in Iraq, and argue the same things every time without getting sick of it. Even the North Korea nuke thread somehow got sidetracked into an anti-Israel argument.

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