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How can you logically argue that Americans have more rights than anyone else?  Further, they have yet to be proven to be a threat to the US, or to be wishing the US ill, in any form of court or review.

Last edited by Bubbalo (2006-10-06 06:44:30)

Bubbalo wrote:

How can you logically argue that Americans have more rights than anyone else?  Further, they have yet to be proven to be a threat to the US, or to be wishing the US ill, in any form of court or review.

because we're cooler than you

alot of people do gloss over the whole waiving your GC rights by not following it's guidelines thing

but as for as the USC goes, ummmm, US rights for US citizens, Aus rights for Aus citizens, uk rights for uk citizens, you get the picture

If you're big enough you can do whatever you want.

The UN can send the president a sharp note and "demand" that the US cease with the "Non-combatant" mumbojumbo but can do little more.

On a similar note: (Not sharp. Or flat for that matter... *drum fill*)

If (when) another country/coalition gets big enough to challenge the US about internationally unwanted actions on foreign soil we can only hope that the US graciously backs down or we're all in for a bumpy ride...

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Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Yeah, screw the Geneva Conventions.

It would be nice if our enemy abided by it as well.

It would, wouldn't it?
But even so, I don't think it's a good thing to throw all moral values out the window because an adversary is using "questionable tactics".

And the problem is that it looks even worse when it's the US who're doing it.
("...and justice for all" and so on and so forth)

More and more people are getting tired of the "waaah he hit me first!" defence.
The chewbacca defense, now that I can respect.

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Yeah, screw the Geneva Conventions.

It would be nice if our enemy abided by it as well.

Ok, the people we are fighting are terrorists, let's do the same they do.

Sambuccashake wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Yeah, screw the Geneva Conventions.

It would be nice if our enemy abided by it as well.

It would, wouldn't it?
But even so, I don't think it's a good thing to throw all moral values out the window because an adversary is using "questionable tactics".

And the problem is that it looks even worse when it's the US who're doing it.
("...and justice for all" and so on and so forth)

More and more people are getting tired of the "waaah he hit me first!" defence.
The chewbacca defense, now that I can respect.

Are you comparing Gitmo to cutting Westerners heads off? I expected the moral high ground remark after I said that, and I agree that we need to hold ourself to higher standards. Pay attention to what I said. "It would be nice".. don't fill in the blanks to where you think my opinion was headed. Since you agreed that it would be nice, the rest of your statement can be sent to the trash.

I never said we should act like they do. Stop placing your feet in your mouths.

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-10-06 07:30:24)

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Sambuccashake wrote:

It would, wouldn't it?
But even so, I don't think it's a good thing to throw all moral values out the window because an adversary is using "questionable tactics".

And the problem is that it looks even worse when it's the US who're doing it.
("...and justice for all" and so on and so forth)

More and more people are getting tired of the "waaah he hit me first!" defence.
The chewbacca defense, now that I can respect.

Are you comparing Gitmo to cutting Westerners heads off? I expected the moral high ground remark after I said that, and I agree that we need to hold ourself to higher standards. Pay attention to what I said. "It would be nice".. don't fill in the blanks to where you think my opinion was headed. Since you agreed that it would be nice, the rest of your statement can be sent to the trash.

I never said we should act like they do. Stop placing your feet in your mouths.

How many heads did they cut?  How many innocent dudes are there in Gitmo?

You tell me.

they shouldn't, nor should any other country

Its unconstitutional. Why? The fecking Nazis who killed millions and were so obviously guilty were given their day in court in Nuremberg. The detainees at Gitmo, or Gito or what ever name Americans who want to soften the subject and put it to the back of their moral consciousness call it, have no evidence that can be used in a trial against them or it would have already been done. Basically most of them are their because someone in the CIA/NSA for some reason marked them as being suspect during the mass hysteria after 9/11. Not a Judge or a jury or any other law maker. An intelligence annalist or tea maker at the pentagon made the decision to take 5 years out of these ppl's lives and that of their children and families. And as now the "Intelligence" community (a contradiction in terms) have been proven as un-intelligent by the many Senate committees and excuses passed by Bush Co. Ie: "wasn't me was the CIA's fault" their oppinions and findings are full of more holes than a 16 year old girl with a pen knife!!
And BTW it was the Allies in WW2 who violated the laws of war by laying Dresden to waste and therefore starting the trend of bombing civilian targets tit for tat. So we are in no position to lecture about the laws of war, even though it was us who wrote them.

Last edited by JahManRed (2006-10-06 07:45:34)

sergeriver wrote:

Yeah, screw the Geneva Conventions.

Ummm They are being held in accordance with that outdated treaty and they are treated Far better than the Average prisoner In a US prison. Next!

POW's being so classified does NOT afford them the rights to US courts. Were US prisoners of war, ANY war afforded those rights by ANY country? NOPE.