" I cant do my job today dear because if I do the men I pray with will kill you."
That sux.
That sux.
If someone with family in America was caught guarding, say, a Taliban outpost, and was in frequent contact with his family in America, what do you think would happen to his family? They'd all be unjustly kidnapped and thrown in Gitmo to be tortured for information, more than likely. Now, why is the same situation in reverse so much harder to understand? Hezbollah would, like the US, regard people working for (or giving the appearance of supporting) their enemies as traitors.rawls2 wrote:
" I cant do my job today dear because if I do the men I pray with will kill you."
That sux.
Dear UnOriginalNuttah,
Your using a hypothetical scenario to defend actions that already take place. Try again.
Your using a hypothetical scenario to defend actions that already take place. Try again.
Sorry, but that officer was doing his job by stepping down from that duty. Would you rather your embassy protected by someone with a conflict of interests, or someone without? This is not a rare occurence, and American police have the same precidents. If you were gay, would you prefer a homophobic gaurd or an indifferent one?
Were talking about someone who chose not to do his duty for fear of what might happen to his family. In America the officer would step down so as not to offend someone. The muslim officer is doing it to protect the life of his family. That makes me wonder why your so pro-muslim and try to defend every violent aspect of their culture.
There is a long history in British policing of not expecting officers to perform their duty in areas that could compromise the safety of the officers family - the British have been dealing with terrorists a hell of a lot longer than the Americans, it was a legitimate request - there really is no need for the public fiasco over this - the end..
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Thats Bullshit. Its his job, Plain and simple. IF thats how they view someone doing there Job, Then I guess the side that thinks the Lebanese are the terrorists are right. Thats some sad shit right there.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
Apparently his wife is Lebanese, and he was worried about the repercussions for his relatives in Lebanon if he was seen to be guarding the embassy. He didn't refuse to do anything.
http://express.lineone.net/news_detail_ … 1511324-H0
That my friend doesnt make a difference. You are there to protect and server NO MATTER WHAT YOUR BELIEFS! Or Phobias. If you cant, you either A0 dont be an Officer and take the Oath, or B) you QUIT! Theres no middle ground. Ive taken that oath and nowhere does it say i had a CHOICE!jonsimon wrote:
Sorry, but that officer was doing his job by stepping down from that duty. Would you rather your embassy protected by someone with a conflict of interests, or someone without? This is not a rare occurence, and American police have the same precidents. If you were gay, would you prefer a homophobic gaurd or an indifferent one?
Sorry, can't resist: if you're a gay prisoner and you have choice of guard...doesn't the answer depend on if you're into S&M?jonsimon wrote:
Sorry, but that officer was doing his job by stepping down from that duty. Would you rather your embassy protected by someone with a conflict of interests, or someone without? This is not a rare occurence, and American police have the same precidents. If you were gay, would you prefer a homophobic gaurd or an indifferent one?
LMAOPug wrote:
Sorry, can't resist: if you're a gay prisoner and you have choice of guard...doesn't the answer depend on if you're into S&M?jonsimon wrote:
Sorry, but that officer was doing his job by stepping down from that duty. Would you rather your embassy protected by someone with a conflict of interests, or someone without? This is not a rare occurence, and American police have the same precidents. If you were gay, would you prefer a homophobic gaurd or an indifferent one?
If the side that thinks the Lebanesse are terrorists are right because they would have arrested his family if he appeared to support the actions of their enemies, then the side that thinks the Americans are terrorists is also right, since they'd do exactly the same in the blink of an eye. You lot really are just constantly reaching for more excuses to hate Muslims, as if you hadn't made up enough or something.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Thats Bullshit. Its his job, Plain and simple. IF thats how they view someone doing there Job, Then I guess the side that thinks the Lebanese are the terrorists are right. Thats some sad shit right there.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
Apparently his wife is Lebanese, and he was worried about the repercussions for his relatives in Lebanon if he was seen to be guarding the embassy. He didn't refuse to do anything.
http://express.lineone.net/news_detail_ … 1511324-H0
He didn't do anything wrong, he made a request, nothing else. He might have felt strongly enough to stand down if they'd refused, who knows? Didn't come to that. He didn't break any rules and didn't disobey any orders. You might want less compassion from the UK police, but not all the world is willing to succumb to a heartless police state like America is today.
Atleastw e dont have to take or fucking shoes off when busting terrorists now do we. Nuff said.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
If the side that thinks the Lebanesse are terrorists are right because they would have arrested his family if he appeared to support the actions of their enemies, then the side that thinks the Americans are terrorists is also right, since they'd do exactly the same in the blink of an eye. You lot really are just constantly reaching for more excuses to hate Muslims, as if you hadn't made up enough or something.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Thats Bullshit. Its his job, Plain and simple. IF thats how they view someone doing there Job, Then I guess the side that thinks the Lebanese are the terrorists are right. Thats some sad shit right there.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
Apparently his wife is Lebanese, and he was worried about the repercussions for his relatives in Lebanon if he was seen to be guarding the embassy. He didn't refuse to do anything.
http://express.lineone.net/news_detail_ … 1511324-H0
He didn't do anything wrong, he made a request, nothing else. He might have felt strongly enough to stand down if they'd refused, who knows? Didn't come to that. He didn't break any rules and didn't disobey any orders. You might want less compassion from the UK police, but not all the world is willing to succumb to a heartless police state like America is today.
Umm, do you have any proof stating otherwise? The section is called Debate and Serious Talk, not Bash Other People.CameronPoe wrote:
So it looks like it's another 'fantastic I got another story to lambast muslims with'/'Help! Help! Western society is falling apart!' thread from some itchy triggerfinger hotshot that probably didn't investigate the story anymore than taking a cursory glance at the first paragraph of the article he posted. Nice.
And Headstone, what shoes? I'm afraid I don't comprehend.
And on the topic, it was a REQUEST. Blame the MET, not him. He's afraid of the extremists, not Muslims. There could be Lebanese extremists looking to kill the families of the guard. Look at the big pic, people. Not all extremists are Muslims, although granted, most are. Most.
How about this viewpoint:OuTLaW667 wrote:
Scotland Yard has launched an urgent review after a Muslim police officer was excused from guarding London's Israeli Embassy on moral grounds.
PC Alexander Omar Basha, who is attached to the Metropolitan Police's Diplomatic Protection Group, asked for special dispensation because of his objection to Israel's bombing of Lebanon.
Former Flying Squad commander John O'Connor criticised the decision and warned: "This is the beginning of the end for British policing. When you join the police, you do so to provide a service to the public. If you cannot perform those duties, you leave."
^^^You couldn't make this shit up^^^
Where does it end??? Will he refuse to arrest terrorist's next cos he sympathises with them??
This country is fast becoming a joke!!!!!!
Mod edit: using [b] in the title has no use.
Israeli's:
Yes we know we murder your people on a daily basis, but that gives you NO RIGHT to deny us protection.
Muslims:
We are not protecting those murderers.
World:
How dare the Muslims not protect the Israelis so they can continue to commit genocide.
That about sums it up...
Ummmmmmm If the Guy was frigging Part of the Taliban then Welp maybe Duh, But This guy is a POLICE OFFICER! Took an oath to serve and protect. What is he going to do if theres a protest of muslims, and he HAS to protect the life of an Isreali? Will he walk away and let them kill the guy? THAT the frigging problem we are haveing with this whole thing. Not the fact he asked to NOT have the duty in the first place but the fact that he has this position in the first place reguarding Any citizen or person hes sworn to protect!UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
If someone with family in America was caught guarding, say, a Taliban outpost, and was in frequent contact with his family in America, what do you think would happen to his family? They'd all be unjustly kidnapped and thrown in Gitmo to be tortured for information, more than likely. Now, why is the same situation in reverse so much harder to understand? Hezbollah would, like the US, regard people working for (or giving the appearance of supporting) their enemies as traitors.rawls2 wrote:
" I cant do my job today dear because if I do the men I pray with will kill you."
That sux.
Goto school, If you don't see the problem with this then you better hit the books son. Its not as black and white as you make it. Enough of the PC Hate mongering bullshit thats already ruining the world.HM1{N} wrote:
How about this viewpoint:OuTLaW667 wrote:
Scotland Yard has launched an urgent review after a Muslim police officer was excused from guarding London's Israeli Embassy on moral grounds.
PC Alexander Omar Basha, who is attached to the Metropolitan Police's Diplomatic Protection Group, asked for special dispensation because of his objection to Israel's bombing of Lebanon.
Former Flying Squad commander John O'Connor criticised the decision and warned: "This is the beginning of the end for British policing. When you join the police, you do so to provide a service to the public. If you cannot perform those duties, you leave."
^^^You couldn't make this shit up^^^
Where does it end??? Will he refuse to arrest terrorist's next cos he sympathises with them??
This country is fast becoming a joke!!!!!!
Mod edit: using [b] in the title has no use.
Israeli's:
Yes we know we murder your people on a daily basis, but that gives you NO RIGHT to deny us protection.
Muslims:
We are not protecting those murderers.
World:
How dare the Muslims not protect the Israelis so they can continue to commit genocide.
That about sums it up...
I was referring to YOUR police Succumbing to the Muslim Board in the fact that the police cant wear shoes when entering a suspected terrorists house because it might offend them. I was also pointing it out because you so Nicely Slammed our country by calling it a police state. Understand now?Tetrino wrote:
Umm, do you have any proof stating otherwise? The section is called Debate and Serious Talk, not Bash Other People.CameronPoe wrote:
So it looks like it's another 'fantastic I got another story to lambast muslims with'/'Help! Help! Western society is falling apart!' thread from some itchy triggerfinger hotshot that probably didn't investigate the story anymore than taking a cursory glance at the first paragraph of the article he posted. Nice.
And Headstone, what shoes? I'm afraid I don't comprehend.
And on the topic, it was a REQUEST. Blame the MET, not him. He's afraid of the extremists, not Muslims. There could be Lebanese extremists looking to kill the families of the guard. Look at the big pic, people. Not all extremists are Muslims, although granted, most are. Most.
He and the police force have as much a duty to protect his family as to protect the Israeli embassy. There is no reason to doubt his dedication, based on the meagre facts at your disposal. It's an irrational discriminatory judgement based on your predisposition. Nothing he did contradicted the oath he took. In fact by considering the ramifications for his family he was taking steps to "prevent all offences against people and property". He discharged his duties according to the law. Absolutely no contradiction to his oath. End of matter.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Ummmmmmm If the Guy was frigging Part of the Taliban then Welp maybe Duh, But This guy is a POLICE OFFICER! Took an oath to serve and protect. What is he going to do if theres a protest of muslims, and he HAS to protect the life of an Isreali? Will he walk away and let them kill the guy? THAT the frigging problem we are haveing with this whole thing. Not the fact he asked to NOT have the duty in the first place but the fact that he has this position in the first place reguarding Any citizen or person hes sworn to protect!UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
If someone with family in America was caught guarding, say, a Taliban outpost, and was in frequent contact with his family in America, what do you think would happen to his family? They'd all be unjustly kidnapped and thrown in Gitmo to be tortured for information, more than likely. Now, why is the same situation in reverse so much harder to understand? Hezbollah would, like the US, regard people working for (or giving the appearance of supporting) their enemies as traitors.rawls2 wrote:
" I cant do my job today dear because if I do the men I pray with will kill you."
That sux.
I, .. <Officer's Name> .. of .. <Police Force Name> .. do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.
Heres an ideqa, Hes an officer of the law, this gives him leverage to bring his family to the UK that much easier. WTF are they still in lebannon? Id say Problem solved, then he can go about doing his duty without disgression right?UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
He and the police force have as much a duty to protect his family as to protect the Israeli embassy. There is no reason to doubt his dedication, based on the meagre facts at your disposal. It's an irrational discriminatory judgement based on your predisposition. Nothing he did contradicted the oath he took. In fact by considering the ramifications for his family he was taking steps to "prevent all offences against people and property". He discharged his duties according to the law. Absolutely no contradiction to his oath. End of matter.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Ummmmmmm If the Guy was frigging Part of the Taliban then Welp maybe Duh, But This guy is a POLICE OFFICER! Took an oath to serve and protect. What is he going to do if theres a protest of muslims, and he HAS to protect the life of an Isreali? Will he walk away and let them kill the guy? THAT the frigging problem we are haveing with this whole thing. Not the fact he asked to NOT have the duty in the first place but the fact that he has this position in the first place reguarding Any citizen or person hes sworn to protect!UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
If someone with family in America was caught guarding, say, a Taliban outpost, and was in frequent contact with his family in America, what do you think would happen to his family? They'd all be unjustly kidnapped and thrown in Gitmo to be tortured for information, more than likely. Now, why is the same situation in reverse so much harder to understand? Hezbollah would, like the US, regard people working for (or giving the appearance of supporting) their enemies as traitors.I, .. <Officer's Name> .. of .. <Police Force Name> .. do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.
We don't treat police differently in regards to their personal life here. And simply having family here is not going to get anyone the right to stay, unless they are highly skilled in an area we are deficient. If you applied to for immigration rights to Austrailia, do you think if you put "this application is me+20" they would even reply? You live in a fantasy world.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Heres an ideqa, Hes an officer of the law, this gives him leverage to bring his family to the UK that much easier. WTF are they still in lebannon? Id say Problem solved, then he can go about doing his duty without disgression right?
Its a hell of allot easier to get into the UK than Your country anyways. Specially if your Muslim. At least in theory.
BTW, Its my world Ill make it what i like LMAO. In my fantasy world I don't have the broken back, the depression, the dependence on pills, and i can still play with my kids and tend to the wife, so yeah, I live in a fantasy world. so what.
BTW, Its my world Ill make it what i like LMAO. In my fantasy world I don't have the broken back, the depression, the dependence on pills, and i can still play with my kids and tend to the wife, so yeah, I live in a fantasy world. so what.
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Your country?<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Its a hell of allot easier to get into the UK than Your country anyways. Specially if your Muslim. At least in theory.
~ This is assuming that the policeman held an opinion about those he was asked to protect. No such opinions have ever been mentioned, even if he did have thoughts of his own.jonsimon wrote:
If you were gay, would you prefer a homophobic gaurd or an indifferent one?
You mentioned Australia so figured thats where you were from. You don't have it in your profile so One would have to Guess where your from. If you don't want someone guessing, then add it. then we can avoid the confusion next time.Bertster7 wrote:
Your country?<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Its a hell of allot easier to get into the UK than Your country anyways. Specially if your Muslim. At least in theory.
I didn't, UnoriginalNuttah did, he's from the UK.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
You mentioned Australia so figured thats where you were from. You don't have it in your profile so One would have to Guess where your from. If you don't want someone guessing, then add it. then we can avoid the confusion next time.Bertster7 wrote:
Your country?<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Its a hell of allot easier to get into the UK than Your country anyways. Specially if your Muslim. At least in theory.
I'm sure Australia was mentioned in relation to their very strict immigration policies.
I do have it on my profile.
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