BF2S Forums Argentina Sounds worse than gitmo

Dang, I didn't know that before, usmarine.  Good work.

usmarine2005 wrote:

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2002/18317.htm


Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment

The Constitution prohibits torture, and the Criminal Code provides penalties for torture similar to those for homicide; however, torture and brutality by police and prison guards remained serious problems. Human rights organizations described widespread police brutality, the use of torture on suspects, and corruption within the prison and police forces. The Government investigated some reports of police or prison brutality, but few cases were tried and even fewer resulted in convictions. In some jurisdictions, such as Mendoza Province and greater Buenos Aires, threats to witnesses and advocates made prosecution of abuses and reform more difficult. A January 2001 report of the U.N. Special Rapporteur on Torture recalled concerns raised in the U.N. Human Rights Commission's October 2000 review under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. In particular, the Rapporteur noted concerns about allegations that torture and excessive use of force by police officials were "a widespread problem and that government mechanisms established to address it are inadequate." The Rapporteur's report also expressed concern about prison conditions and cited specifically "the severe overcrowding and the poor quality of basic necessities and services, including food, clothing and medical care." The report also stated that it had been established that there had been "abuses of authority by prison officials, such as torture and ill-treatment and corruption." A Secretariat for Human Rights for Buenos Aires Province was created in January, with one of its first tasks being development of a Program for the Prevention of Torture.

All of this is BS and your source is too, all they wanted was us to pay IMF what we did last year.  Now they sure changed the speech since we paid all our debts with the fucking IMF.  And besides, what is the fucking point of this?  The only time Human Rights were violated here was during the Militar Dictatorship between 1976-83, which happened to be supported by US. 
Btw, don't you have some undersupplied Iraqi soldiers to kill?

I don't think a report released in 2003 would talk about things in 1983.

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/usa/index.html

As in previous years, serious human rights violations were most apparent in the criminal justice system-including police brutality, discriminatory racial disparities in incarceration, abusive conditions of confinement, and state-sponsored executions, even of juvenile offenders and the mentally handicapped. But extensively documented human rights violations also included violations of workers' rights, discrimination against gay men and lesbians in the military, and the abuse of migrant child farmworkers.

The United States in 2000 submitted reports on its compliance with two international human rights treaties-the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination and the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment-to the respective treaty monitoring bodies. Both reports acknowledged significant abuses of the rights affirmed in those treaties.

The initial report of the U.S. to the United Nations Committee against Torture-produced four years after it was due-acknowledged areas of "concern, contention and criticism" with regard to police abuse, excessive use of force in prison, prison overcrowding, physical and mental abuse of inmates, and the lack of adequate training and oversight for police and prison guards. Nevertheless, the initial report was incomplete and misleading in several important aspects. It failed to acknowledge crucial weaknesses in laws and mechanisms to protect the right to be free of torture and cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, as well as the serious obstacles abuse victims face in securing legal redress. It failed also to confront forthrightly the prevalence of abuses against detained and incarcerated men, women and children throughout the United States.

The report also glossed over the impact of the reservations, understandings, and declarations the United States made when it ratified the convention. The United States redefined torture, as prohibited by the convention, to include only conduct already prohibited under the U.S. Constitution and to exclude, with few exceptions, mental torture that is not accompanied by physical torture. It also declared the treaty to be non-self-executing, and then failed to enact implementing legislation, with the result that U.S. residents cannot turn to the courts to seek protection of the rights affirmed under the treaty. The U.S., in effect, declined to change its laws to bring them up to international standards.

In May, the U.N. Committee against Torture issued a statement of conclusions and recommendations highlighting a range of U.S. practices that contravened the convention. The committee's concerns included: ill-treatment by police and prison officials, much of it racially discriminatory; sexual assaults upon female detainees and prisoners and degrading conditions of confinement of female prisoners; the use of electro-shock devices and restraint chairs; the excessively harsh regime of super-maximum security prisons; and the holding of youths in adult prisons. The committee urged the U.S. to enact legislation making torture a federal crime; to withdraw its reservations and declarations to the convention; to take the necessary steps to ensure those who violate the convention are investigated, prosecuted, and punished; to prohibit stun belts and restraint chairs; and to ensure that minors are not incarcerated in adult facilities.

TeamZephyr wrote:

May I suggest that you try and sort out your human rights abuses at home before you start crying crocodile tears about human rights abuses in Argentina?

And the same for everyone else in this forum.

usmarine2005 wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

May I suggest that you try and sort out your human rights abuses at home before you start crying crocodile tears about human rights abuses in Argentina?

And the same for everyone else in this forum.

You FAILED miserably.  I never attacked your country, I attack GWB government.

Stingray24 wrote:

Dang, I didn't know that before, usmarine.  Good work.

There's a lot of things you don't know, one more doesn't hurt, does it?

Seriously, they admit people like you in the USMC, I thought they expected you to think at least.

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR511542006

I dare you to find a source like Amnesty or a reliable source where it says such thing, otherwise I expect an apology.  You know the Dept. of State of US hates Argentina, because we had that debt we paid last year and besides our asshole president is friend of the amazing asshole of Chavez, so it doesn't qualify as a source.  I want to see the source.

ghettoperson wrote:

I do love it how certain people on this forum like to point out failings in other countries to justify there own countries misdemeanors...

I love how everyone seems to hate the USA for trying to make the world a better place.  We went to war to make the world safer.  We put the majority of our soldiers in harm's way so that civilians wouldn't be in harm's way.  So tell me, because I haven't heard it yet, how would we make the world a better place against these islamo fascists fighting with unconventional weaponry, no uniforms, and best of all, human shields.  I would like to know.

sergeriver wrote:

Btw, don't you have some undersupplied Iraqi soldiers to kill?

Nah, Iraqis have undersupplied Iraqi outlaws to kill.

sergeriver wrote:

I dare you to find a source like Amnesty or a reliable source where it says such thing, otherwise I expect an apology.  You know the Dept. of State of US hates Argentina, because we had that debt we paid last year and besides our asshole president is friend of the amazing asshole of Chavez, so it doesn't qualify as a source.  I want to see the source.

Hmm. Now you see why US citizens react the way they do when dirt is slung at their country by foreigners.

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