Stealth42o
She looked 18 to me officer
+175|6610
Part 1:

So my system overheated one night playing EQ2 (Don't start flaming now)   Only has happened a handful of times, mainly because my old air system had 14 fans in it and kept the components pretty cool.  Downside.  Sounded like a jet taking off.

That was with a Zalman fan/heatsink which is "silent" compared to the thermaltake volcano series.  So to hell with it, I was tired of LOUD cases and wanted something functional and quite.  So here we go.

I will try to keep this a short as possible with more pictures

Tools needed:
Philip's screw driver # 2 and 3
Flat head screw driver #2-3
Adjustable wrench
Vise grips
Needle nose vise grips
Drill (bits help also)
L brackets
Self taping screws

Optional:
Dremel
Pack of smokes
Hot lady
Table clamp
Shop vac

Not optional:
Nagging lady
Drugs
Alcohol
Sleeping pills, etc.

My Old Case:

https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f198/Stealth42o/Image00007.jpg

Again worked well, jumbo jet.

New case:
Thermaltake Armor LCS Full Tower Case

https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20002.jpg
https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20003

MSI Neo4 Platinum SLI board with a Thermaltake copper block.

https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20004
https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20005

Making a mess

https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20007

Mobo installed with blocks on both video cards and the Northbridge.

https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20008

Everything installed (Was happy for a little while).

https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20011

So I bleed the system (Will explain that one later one), and my idle temp is 118F.  Ok that not right.  Under load it hit 132F and I shut her down.  Now the NB block ran ¼ inch tubing, where the rest of the system ran 3/8th tubes.  So it does restrict the flow.  Figured that may be it, so I removed the NB block and replaced it with a simple fan.

New setup, all 3/8 inch tubing.

https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20015
https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20019

No change, still idling high, and under load it jumps fast!  So I am looking over the system, 500l/hr pump, it’s pushing enough water threw, check the pressure, it’s good.  WTF?  So I am looking at the radiator.  Just doesn’t look right.  Doesn’t take me long to figure it out.  Assuming everyone knows how a radiator works, this ones intake is on the bottom left, and outlet is on the bottom right.  So the hot water was going straight into the bottom and right back out.

So it’s not a radiator, it just plays one on TV.

Part 2:

So I order a 360MM Danger Den single pass radiator.  It 120MM taller, 2 inches wider, and half an inch deeper then the POS rad that came with the case.  Downside, got to mod it to fit (Which is fun anyhow).

https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20023

Gut the front of the case

https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20024

Attached “l” brackets to the new rad.  Cut guide on one side with a dremel so I could slide the L brackets in and out for adjustment, drilled staggered holes in the other side to mount to the case.  Drilled some holes (In the case, this is where the shop vac comes in handy, little metal flakes in the case is bad mkkk) and there yea go. (Little more in depth then that, didn't want to write a book).

Installed… again

https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20026
https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20029

Time to check for leaks and bleed the system (IMPORTANT).

Now a reservoir is not necessary, mostly used just for looks.  However it makes bleeding the system from air A TON easier.  Does restrict flow slightly, however it is worth it.

With that said, you need to jump the system.  Now in case you have a leak, you do not want to hook up all you stuff and fire it up.  If you had a leak and started it up, your system would go up like a roman candle.  Now you can jump your PSU to run, however if you got a second comp, much easier.

https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20033

Hooked up my pump to my second comp, that way I can power up the water system, check for leaks, without any power in the case I am testing, again, if there is a leak, won’t fry any components. 

After the system was bleed and checked for leaks, all done.  Wire the pump up and button her up.

https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20041
https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20043
https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20044
https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20048

So how does it perform?

Idle 92F, under load 100-102F.  Still pretty high for a water cooled system (IMO).  However I was going for functional and quite.  The front fans are running at 1300 RPM and 17db a piece.  Only throwing 32 CFM.  Not much, however the whole system is whisper quite and I cannot get it to break 102 degree’s F so I am happy.

Really not to bad since the CPU and video cards are both overclocked as well.

I will upgrade the front fans to Thermaltake A2018 Series Smart Case fans.  They have a speed control, low speeds run the same speed, noise, and CFM as what I got at the moment.  High speed runs at 2800 RPM's 46 db’s and 94 CFM’s each.  Which will drop the temps a bunch.  Can turn up the fans during gaming, down during, well, most everything else.

So this was a project that was supposed to take an afternoon and ended up taking a week.  Hope you all like it and if you are planning on getting a system, hope you get some tips and tricks that help.

Best wishes everyone
Chris

Update

So I am searching around for some more info, checking things out, and my RAM is REALLY hot.  I thought that the three front fans would be enough to cool the components.... it's not.

So I have a 60 / 80 / 92 and 120mm fan.  So I go with the 120mm because it's big and I am a guy.

To Home Depot.  I pick up a 3/8th's by 1/4 inch piece of aluminum rod.  I also did some reading that if you put rubber in between you fans, psu, pretty much anything that moves, it will significantly decrease your noise and vibrations.  So I also pick up a sheet of 1/4 inch rubber and a few packets of rubber washers.

After taking everthing out (AGAIN), insulating it all, putting rubber washers on ever were I could, and mocking up some brackets for the 120mm fan.  I got this:

https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20053

https://www.chrisolmstead.com/hosting/tlcs/Picture%20058

I also cleaned up the wiring some more. And added a speed control for the new fan.

To my surprise, my temps dropped 15 degree's F just adding the fan.  Also the noise decreased a ton and there is absolutely NO vibrations at all.  Well worth it.

Idle 85F
Load 96F

Last edited by Stealth42o (2006-10-01 14:07:52)

coke
Aye up duck!
+440|6648|England. Stoke
Cool didnt read it just looked at the purdy pictures
+1
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6646|67.222.138.85
Sweet, good job!
*e6/TheChronic
Member
+21|6420
what graphics card you got

+1 for awesome rig, I like how you put the pics of it with the black light next to it

Last edited by *e6/TheChronic (2006-09-28 15:57:34)

King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6536|Seattle

Holy fucking shit.


nice!
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
bubbass
humble
+61|6508
Very well documented. I hope you get things straightened out further with your temps.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6646|67.222.138.85

*e6/TheChronic wrote:

what graphics card you got

+1 for awesome rig, I like how you put the pics of it with the black light next to it
Note to chronic, you accidentally karmad me instead of the OP.
scottomus0
Teh forum ghey!
+172|6576|Wigan. Manchester. England.
Im confused really. I dont want to be coz i wana learn about it all so my pc coz be the shizzle too!!

Even though you explained it went through one ear and out the ear lol.
Twist
Too old to be doing this sh*t
+103|6462|Little blue planet, milky way
I have watercooling myself, and while I didn't have your problems with the northbridge, I ALSO dont have a zillion fans in my rig. I agree you would need one near the radiator to get rid of the hot air (unless ofcourse you place the radiator OUTSIDE the case !), and to prevent dst, and to cool of the interior, you might want to have ONE fan (could be the radiator fan, or the PSU fan). But you just pump 'em in there... I dont get that. Do yourself a favor, and try to restrict airflow in your case so that it will be forced by your radiator before passing out of the case. Then remove/turn off all the other fans, and possibly put a piece of paper over the "holes" (again, to ensure a fixed airflow. I'll bet just about anything you wont move the temp more than 2-4%, and you wont have to hear the whisper anymore !
Jbrar
rawr
+86|6480|Winterpeg, Canada
Nice...lol, u watch the discovery channel too +1
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6506|NYC / Hamburg

that looks very nice, much better than my pc. well documented +1
mine doesnt even have a case, and the cpu cooler is ghetto modded with lots of cardboard and tape
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|6686|The United Center
I think this topic just convinced me that the next computer I buy...will be self-built.
scottomus0
Teh forum ghey!
+172|6576|Wigan. Manchester. England.
Im building my next one myself...its just knowing what to buy and how to fit it.

Doing that what hes done is wa out of my league, but its something i want myselff. how can i learn?
ELITE-UK
Scratching my back
+170|6413|SHEFFIELD, ENGLAND
all this for good gaming, it dont look worth it :S
teh.pwnage15
Member
+2|6471

coke wrote:

Cool didnt read it just looked at the purdy pictures
+1
Stealth42o
She looked 18 to me officer
+175|6610
Video cards are Asus 6800 gt's.

Twist wrote:

I have water cooling myself, and while I didn't have your problems with the northbridge
No prob with the northbridge block, it was the stock rad.  It wasn't a functional one.

I hear yea with the fans, old system had 14, new system has 5.  All "ultra silent" fans.  Three in the front for the rad, one in the back, one on the top (Ok and the PSU fans).

The exhaust fans are pushing 20 CFM's more then the intake fans and the front fans are sealed to the rad with rubber o rings to ensure a sealed fit.  Air flow is just fine in and out.

Yes you can get systems on the outside, lots to choose from.  However they are expensive (You can almost build an entire internal system for the price of just the external system without any blocks).

I wanted quite, functional, and unassuming.  So it is perfect for me.

As far as "How to" just google it.  Any questions anyone has, IM me.  I am always happy to help.

My comp is not just for gaming.  I do web / graphic design, desktop publishing, etc.  So I am on it a lot.  It is nice to have it quite.  Loudest thing is my Raptor HD.

Water cooling is not as expensive as it use to be.  You can outfit your system for around 400 dollars.

Again, any questions drop me an IM.

Chris

Last edited by Stealth42o (2006-09-28 16:48:59)

bubbass
humble
+61|6508

ThomasMorgan wrote:

I think this topic just convinced me that the next computer I buy...will be self-built.
It'll be well worth the satisfaction and pride.
Stealth42o
She looked 18 to me officer
+175|6610
Would have done a more in depth write up but:

coke wrote:

Cool didnt read it just looked at the purdy pictures
+1


bubbass wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

I think this topic just convinced me that the next computer I buy...will be self-built.
It'll be well worth the satisfaction and pride.
Very worth it.  It always nice when people say "Whatbrand is that"?  You tell them "I built it" and can run down what you have done.

Last edited by Stealth42o (2006-09-28 16:46:17)

bubbass
humble
+61|6508
What's the complete run down for the specs?
R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6425|Melbourne

Just a Question:
You put your Mobo on the Carpet? why?
You do know that static Electricity destroys PC's

All up a nice job. 

PS P180 is a very good case if you looking to reduce noise.
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
bubbass
humble
+61|6508

R3v4n wrote:

Just a Question:
You put your Mobo on the Carpet? why?
I built and service my computer sitting on a carpeted floor. I've never had any problem with static. I know it's not good, but just a nasty habit.
R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6425|Melbourne

bubbass wrote:

R3v4n wrote:

Just a Question:
You put your Mobo on the Carpet? why?
I built and service my computer sitting on a carpeted floor. I've never had any problem with static. I know it's not good, but just a nasty habit.
Lucky Bugger!

A mate of mine brought a 500$ CPU and installed it sitting on the floor and guess what he done.  Fried it from the build up of static electricity.....

I would always recommend sitting at a desk or something, unless you like replacing what you just brought.
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
ProRacerNorm
Member
+6|6539
Nice job man. i was gonna do that to mine but decided to stay away from water and a $5000 computer. You did have one of those ground wrist things on right cause i noticed you were working on a carpet.
Maj.Do
Member
+85|6691|good old CA
Nice, did you post this on OCforums?
tiggerr77
Member
+1|6651|Portland, OR
Nice write-up, and nice rig.  Just a suggestion, but many people report lower temps by switching the fans around to pull air through the radiator rather than pushing air.  Might work for you.

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