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2006-09-28 11:00:24
The_Shipbuilder
Stay the corpse
+261|6752|Los Angeles

Jack Cafferty @ CNN wrote:

President Bush is trying to pardon himself. Here’s the deal.

The House just passed President Bush's bill to redefine the treatment of detainees, and the Senate is expected to do the same thing tomorrow. Buried deep inside this legislation is a provision that will pardon President Bush and all the members of his administration of any possible crimes connected with the torture and mistreatment of detainees going all the way back to September 11 2001.

At least President Nixon had Ford to do his dirty work - President Bush is trying to pardon himself.

Here's the deal: under the War Crimes Act, violations of the Geneva Conventions are felonies, in some cases punishable by death. When the Supreme Court ruled that the Geneva Convention applied to al Qaeda and Taliban detainees, President Bush and his boys were suddenly in big trouble. They’ve been working these prisoners over pretty good. In an effort to avoid possible prosecution they’re trying to cram this bill through Congress before the end of the week before Congress adjourns. The reason there’s such a rush to do this? If the Democrats get control of the House in November this kind of legislation probably wouldn’t pass.

You wanna know the real disgrace about what these people are about to do or are in the process of doing? Senator Bill Frist and Congressman Dennis Hastert and their Republican stooges apparently don’t see anything wrong with this. I really do wonder sometimes what we’re becoming in this country.
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Last edited by The_Shipbuilder (2006-09-28 11:44:23)

2006-09-28 11:05:03
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,979|6884|949

interesting, I am going to have to find more info on this...
2006-09-28 11:10:03
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6743|Northern California
I'd just like for the world to gang up on him and say "No sir, you cannot be exempt from war crimes accustaions as you see fit."  Then cause the UN to expel the US.  Sure the UN would possibly shrivel up and die without the funds from the US..but they'll be fine without Bolton yapping at them.

yeah, Bush and US policy that says OUR actions are exempt from being tried in war crimes tribunals is BS.  For doing that alone, Bush should be arrested.  But violating geneva conventions AFTER the supreme court said he was already violating them...impeachment is not the solution...war crimes trials are.  This is what happens when you put a C student in office.  Way to go you fucking red states!!!
2006-09-28 12:38:30
Jusster
Pimpin aint Easy
+11|6729|H-Town
Yeah.......I saw that piece yesterday.  Guess were falling further and further into the hole.......can only imagine whats next.


Jusster
2006-09-28 12:44:58
FoShizzle
Howdah Lysozyme
+21|6879|Pittsburgh, PA
Keith Olberman tore into that one last night too.  He had Condi stating that the Bush administration took office with no plan in place from the previous administration...then Olberman displayed document after document and prior video that proved otherwise.  I laugh about it a lot, because if I didn't I'd cry.  I'd take to arms...but then I would find myself on a team with a bunch of noobs that don't know how to use teamwork and I wouldn't be able to disconnect.

Last edited by FoShizzle (2006-09-28 12:50:25)

2006-09-28 12:46:10
=CA=lamcrmbem
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+16|6702|San Diego, CA
Another bash Bush topic...Excellent
2006-09-28 12:49:01
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6988|Salt Lake City

=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:

Another bash Bush topic...Excellent
Haha, I just looked at the picture in your sig.  It looks like a real life Karkand.  On the building looking down the street to the Hotel while the commander is dropping arty on it.  Oh, and the sniper is up there with the support guy.  Don't want to be shouting, "I'm bingo on ammo!" 

Last edited by Agent_Dung_Bomb (2006-09-28 12:51:03)

2006-09-28 12:51:47
Snipedya14
Dont tread on me
+77|6947|Mountains of West Virginia


Another view on the topic at hand.
2006-09-28 12:52:08
=CA=lamcrmbem
Member
+16|6702|San Diego, CA

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:

Another bash Bush topic...Excellent
Haha, I just looked at the picture in your sig.  It looks like a real life Karkand.  On the building looking down the street to the Hotel.
:-)  It's actually a picture of a couple of 1st Cav soldiers in Najaf back in '04 when we were fighting the Mahdi Army.  I wasn't in Najaf, I was in Baghdad at the time, but I'm paying homage to my fellow 1st Cav brothers.  Does fit good for Karkand though!  :-)
2006-09-28 12:58:41
=CA=lamcrmbem
Member
+16|6702|San Diego, CA

Snipedya14 wrote:



Another view on the topic at hand.
Who does this guy think he is???  V for Vendetta?
2006-09-28 13:00:13
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6743|Northern California

=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:

Another bash Bush topic...Excellent
Haha, I just looked at the picture in your sig.  It looks like a real life Karkand.  On the building looking down the street to the Hotel.
:-)  It's actually a picture of a couple of 1st Cav soldiers in Najaf back in '04 when we were fighting the Mahdi Army.  I wasn't in Najaf, I was in Baghdad at the time, but I'm paying homage to my fellow 1st Cav brothers.  Does fit good for Karkand though!  :-)
Hey dude, do you have a digital camera?
2006-09-28 13:01:34
=CA=lamcrmbem
Member
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IRONCHEF wrote:

=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:


Haha, I just looked at the picture in your sig.  It looks like a real life Karkand.  On the building looking down the street to the Hotel.
:-)  It's actually a picture of a couple of 1st Cav soldiers in Najaf back in '04 when we were fighting the Mahdi Army.  I wasn't in Najaf, I was in Baghdad at the time, but I'm paying homage to my fellow 1st Cav brothers.  Does fit good for Karkand though!  :-)
Hey dude, do you have a digital camera?
Yeah.  Why?
2006-09-28 13:31:04
R3v0LuT!oN
Member
+22|6918|United States

=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:

Another bash Bush topic...Excellent
I'm sorry, maybe it's just me, but this topic looks more like legitimate criticism of our leaders than it does mere "bush bashing."
2006-09-28 13:48:30
=CA=lamcrmbem
Member
+16|6702|San Diego, CA

R3v0LuT!oN wrote:

=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:

Another bash Bush topic...Excellent
I'm sorry, maybe it's just me, but this topic looks more like legitimate criticism of our leaders than it does mere "bush bashing."
In theory I agree.  The problem them becomes who is defining "war crimes" and by what standard.  I would be curious to see the Supreme Court ruling about the Geneva convention applying to the detainees at Gitmo.  I know that ruled that Military Tribunals had to be approved through congress.  I don't remember them applying Geneva convention to them.  Traditional Geneva convention protections only apply to uniformed members of an army of a recognized country.  Clearly Al Queda and Taliban are no such group.

I am not a staunch Bush supporter.  I believe is looking at everything on the basis of right and wrong and not by which political party is doing it.
2006-09-28 13:55:22
URE_DED
BF2s US Server Admin
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FoShizzle wrote:

Keith Olberman tore into that one last night too.  He had Condi stating that the Bush administration took office with no plan in place from the previous administration...then Olberman displayed document after document and prior video that proved otherwise.  I laugh about it a lot, because if I didn't I'd cry.  I'd take to arms...but then I would find myself on a team with a bunch of noobs that don't know how to use teamwork and I wouldn't be able to disconnect.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2006-09-28 13:56:24
SGT.Slayero
Member
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oh
2006-09-28 14:00:19
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6743|Northern California

=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:

R3v0LuT!oN wrote:

=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:

Another bash Bush topic...Excellent
I'm sorry, maybe it's just me, but this topic looks more like legitimate criticism of our leaders than it does mere "bush bashing."
In theory I agree.  The problem them becomes who is defining "war crimes" and by what standard.  I would be curious to see the Supreme Court ruling about the Geneva convention applying to the detainees at Gitmo.  I know that ruled that Military Tribunals had to be approved through congress.  I don't remember them applying Geneva convention to them.  Traditional Geneva convention protections only apply to uniformed members of an army of a recognized country.  Clearly Al Queda and Taliban are no such group.
Article III of the Geneva Convention does not say you have to be a uniformed combatant.  Besides, Bush has classfied the detainees as "Enemy Combatants" which DO gain geneva convention protection.

Oh, and this blog has the Hamden ruling (the one that says Article III of the Geneva Convention applies to Al Quaeda and detainees at Gitmo - and presumably other detention centers).

And here's that little bitch..i mean the fucker who should know the law better than anyone in the country, pissing on the constitution and the geneva convention..and his boss's hand picked supreme court.  Gonzo is a serious little creep..and he happens to be the one doing all the maneuvering to get torture legalized.

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2006-09-28 14:11:29
Snipedya14
Dont tread on me
+77|6947|Mountains of West Virginia

=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:

Snipedya14 wrote:



Another view on the topic at hand.
Who does this guy think he is???  V for Vendetta?
Im not sure who he thinks he is. You should go ahead and call him up. His phone number is listed in his youtube profile. I have talked to him, and while we do not see eye to eye on all topics, he seems to have a more sound mind than many of our leaders.

Agian, I am not saying I believe his ideals or logic, just throwing something else into the discussion.
2006-09-28 14:15:49
sgt.sonner
the electric eel has got me by the brain banana
+146|6785|Denmizzark!!

=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:

Another bash Bush topic...Excellent
Thats right..
2006-09-28 14:16:52
=CA=lamcrmbem
Member
+16|6702|San Diego, CA

IRONCHEF wrote:

=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:

R3v0LuT!oN wrote:


I'm sorry, maybe it's just me, but this topic looks more like legitimate criticism of our leaders than it does mere "bush bashing."
In theory I agree.  The problem them becomes who is defining "war crimes" and by what standard.  I would be curious to see the Supreme Court ruling about the Geneva convention applying to the detainees at Gitmo.  I know that ruled that Military Tribunals had to be approved through congress.  I don't remember them applying Geneva convention to them.  Traditional Geneva convention protections only apply to uniformed members of an army of a recognized country.  Clearly Al Queda and Taliban are no such group.
Article III of the Geneva Convention does not say you have to be a uniformed combatant.  Besides, Bush has classfied the detainees as "Enemy Combatants" which DO gain geneva convention protection.

Oh, and this blog has the Hamden ruling (the one that says Article III of the Geneva Convention applies to Al Quaeda and detainees at Gitmo - and presumably other detention centers).

And here's that little bitch..i mean the fucker who should know the law better than anyone in the country, pissing on the constitution and the geneva convention..and his boss's hand picked supreme court.  Gonzo is a serious little creep..and he happens to be the one doing all the maneuvering to get torture legalized.
Thanks for the info, I didn't know the court had ruled specifically on that.  +1 for you.
2006-09-28 14:17:04
CameronPoe
Member
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=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:

Another bash Bush topic...Excellent
They're great aren't they. I love them too. +1
2006-09-28 14:18:12
=CA=lamcrmbem
Member
+16|6702|San Diego, CA

Snipedya14 wrote:

=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:

Snipedya14 wrote:



Another view on the topic at hand.
Who does this guy think he is???  V for Vendetta?
Im not sure who he thinks he is. You should go ahead and call him up. His phone number is listed in his youtube profile. I have talked to him, and while we do not see eye to eye on all topics, he seems to have a more sound mind than many of our leaders.

Agian, I am not saying I believe his ideals or logic, just throwing something else into the discussion.
I was referring more to the mode of his video (unknown identity, adjusted voice).  Not necessarily about his idea.  I don't totally agree wither but he's not way off base.
2006-09-28 14:25:48
Snipedya14
Dont tread on me
+77|6947|Mountains of West Virginia

=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:

Snipedya14 wrote:

=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:


Who does this guy think he is???  V for Vendetta?
Im not sure who he thinks he is. You should go ahead and call him up. His phone number is listed in his youtube profile. I have talked to him, and while we do not see eye to eye on all topics, he seems to have a more sound mind than many of our leaders.

Agian, I am not saying I believe his ideals or logic, just throwing something else into the discussion.
I was referring more to the mode of his video (unknown identity, adjusted voice).  Not necessarily about his idea.  I don't totally agree wither but he's not way off base.
I am not sure. Personally I would not want to government knowing my face (while preaching revolution) when we have something like the PATRIOT act to contend with.

He in his later videos, has done away with the voice over.
2006-09-28 14:27:03
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6988|Salt Lake City

LOL to the pussy that gave me karma with asshat remarks.  What a jerkoff.
2006-09-28 14:43:33
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6941|Tampa Bay Florida
You mean me?  thanks.

 

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