BF2S Forums Is the US car industry doomed?

Vilham wrote:

Theres an american car industry?? jking

"We started the industry, we will adapt like always." - Kmarion

The automobile powered by the Otto gasoline engine was invented in Germany by Karl Benz in 1885. Before making statements like that learn the truth. Heres somewhere to start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile

Lmao that is the stupidest thing I have looked at in a long time, it looks like a wheel chair.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Benz-velo.jpg
thanks for the laugh. I hardly think "the Industry" was started by that thing. But thanks for that.

Do you want to talk numbers? That's what drive an industry.

as for American cars not being worth anything, my first car was a 1984 Ford Crown Victoria - retired still running perfectly well at 260000 miles on original build of original engine.  In fact, the engine was sold to some guy who wanted it for his mustang.  Current car is a 1998 Saturn SL2 - still running perfect on original build of original engine at 165000 miles.

PuckMercury wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Theres an american car industry?? jking

"We started the industry, we will adapt like always." - Kmarion

The automobile powered by the Otto gasoline engine was invented in Germany by Karl Benz in 1885. Before making statements like that learn the truth. Heres somewhere to start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile

Well, before getting all high and mighty, re-read the initial post.  Nowhere did he say that America invented the internal combustion engine, nor did he claim that we invented even the automobile.  He stated that we started the industry.  Which, we did.

EDIT:

CameronPoe has a rather nationalistic reason for wanting the DeLorean back I might add.  Do a bit of research and find out where they were manufactured ...

How about you read the actual post i directed you to.

Production of automobiles begins

Internal combustion engine automobiles were first produced in Germany by Karl Benz in 1885-1886, and Gottlieb Daimler between 1886-1889.

Karl Benz began to work on new engine patents in 1878. At first he concentrated on creating a reliable two-stroke gas engine, based on Nikolaus Otto's design of the four-stroke engine. A patent on the design by Otto had been declared void. Benz finished his engine on New Year's Eve and was granted a patent for it in 1879. Benz built his first three-wheeled automobile in 1885 and it was granted a patent in Mannheim, dated January of 1886. This was the first automobile designed and built as such, rather than a converted carriage, boat, or cart. Among other items Benz invented are the speed regulation system known also as an accelerator, ignition using sparks from a battery, the spark plug, the clutch, the gear shift, and the water radiator. He built improved versions in 1886 and 1887 and went into production in 1888: the world's first automobile production. His wife, Bertha, made significant suggestions for innovation that he included in that model. Approximately twenty-five were built before 1893, when his first four-wheeler was introduced. They were powered with four-stroke engines of his own design. Emile Roger of France, already producing Benz engines under license, now added the Benz automobile to his line of products. Because France was more open to the early automobiles, more were built and sold in France through Roger than Benz sold in Germany.

As soon as he produced these cars and sold them he started the industry. So infact America didnt start the industry.

Asia cars FTW!

IG-Calibre wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

compared to Fords first effort? http://www.oldwoodies.com/img/cyclecars … _quad1.jpg

No but compared to Ford's Model T which is widely known as the vehicle that revolutionized the industry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_T
Thanks for lead in though.

I beg your pardon mr "we started the industry" you didn't so fuck up, you probably didn't even know what the model T was until I posted that picture of Fords first model and you did some google/wiki work, the only thing you could say is we started the "american" car industry, but you certainly didn't invent or start the production of cars.

Umm no I just didn't want to post the obvious , apparently I needed to because ignorant people like you just don't get it.

BTW smart guy starting the industry is what I said originaly.

Kmarion wrote:

We started the industry, we will adapt like always.

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-09-12 07:55:38)

I can be the first to produce a burger in my kitchen and go sell it on the corner. That doesn't mean I just started the industry. Selling burgers by the thousands across different continents and nations could be seen as starting an industry.

I'm sorry I just can't compare the manufacturing of less than 200 cars with the millions of cars produced by Ford.
The first standardized car was the 1894, Benz Velo. One hundred and thirty four identical Velos were manufactured in 1895. By 1927, 15 million Model Ts had been manufactured. Get the point?

Kmarion you are mistaken, the Ford T was not famous for starting the automotive industry, it was famous for being the first Assembly line method of manufacturing.

EDIT: No it didn't even start that, It just perfected it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_line

wikipedia wrote:

Eli Whitney developed the American System of manufacturing in 1799, using the ideas of division of labor and of engineering tolerance, to create assemblies from parts in a repeatable manner. Ransom Eli Olds patented the first assembly line concept which he put to work in his Olds Motor Vehicle Company factory in 1901, becoming the first company in America to mass-produce automobiles, although the assembly line had already been in use in England for 100 years, having been invented in 1801 by Marc Isambard Brunel (Father of Isambard Kingdom Brunel) for the production of blocks for the Royal Navy. The Block assembly line was so successful that it remained in use until the 1960s, with the workshop still visible at HM Dockyard in Portsmouth, and still containing some of the original machinery.

Henry Ford's engineers perfected the assembly line concept by 1913, and Ford was the first to build entire factories around the concept.

Hopefully the Industry goes under because they only seem to produce the rejects of the automotive world. They are so far behind Europe and Japan in technology, comfort, handling and quality and so much more expensive then Korean cars. No one in the rest of the world wants an SUV or cars that use 20 litres every 100km. Even Australia can make cars far superior to Americans, there are very few examples of a good american car, and even those are toped by many others from around the world.

Last edited by DrunkFace (2006-09-12 08:24:07)

IG-Calibre wrote:

By 1927 Europe was just about recovering from the ravages of the first world war in which millions of people died in europe, kinda hard to have an industry or get one started when there is no one alive to run the fucking thing is there?

so now you're conceding the point, but saying credit should still be given to you in spirit because of WWI?  Huh.  Backpedal more.  No superiority was ever stated originally, simply a statement of fact.  You have turned that into some oppositional cock fight.

aardfrith wrote:

Your president will probably impose massive import taxes ...

and so begins another unrelated sidebar on the US presidency.

Kmarion wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Kmarion you are mistaken, the Ford T was not famous for starting the automotive industry, it was famous for being the first Assembly line method of manufacturing.

Hopefully the Industry goes under because they only seem to produce the rejects of the automotive world. They are so far behind Europe and Japan in technology, comfort, handling and quality and so much more expensive then Korean cars. No one in the rest of the world wants an SUV or cars that use 20 litres every 100km. Even Australia can make cars far superior to Americans, there are very few examples of a good american car, and even those are toped by many others from around the world.

If you don't think the Aseembly line was part of the industry I can't help you. They are intertwined. I will let our annual car sales refute the rest of your point. Our cars are so inferior that we lead the world in sales. If it weren't for Japan we would have every other nation doubled in sales. Cost and quality dictate the market.

Just look at the numbers. It's really not that hard.

So your saying any car company that doesnt use assembly line isnt part of the industry? If your original statement had been America started the first car assembly line there wouldnt have been this stupid debate, but your tried to be arrogant and claim America started the automotive industry, which quite simply isnt correct.

you are equally guilty, Vilham.  You have done nothing but offer up random facts and state that they refute the original point.  At no point did you state what you believe to be the genesis of an industry.

DrunkFace wrote:

Sales don't show you quality and America also has double market.

Huh? Would you buy something if it wasn't of quality ?

It really comes down to this. You think it started when a couple hundred came about. I think it started when 15 million were distributed across the world and not a couple towns over.

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-09-12 08:45:05)