Just get rid of claymores!
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I have seen a 5v5 match of 5 snipers vs 5 medics, the snipers stuck to gether and stoped the group of medics every time all using single shot rifles. 95 damage from every shot. medics didnt every capture one flag...
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
should be no snipers money or not..useless shit kit.
Still ammuses me that people say snipers are useless... sure in tounament play they dont work so well, thats coz generally its on one of the tiddly little 16 man maps where distance isnt generally available, 32 size + and ur face will be off b4 u see a muzzle flash assuming the guy with the trigger can aim.
Even more funny as i just left BF2 on a 57 - 7 round sniping mashtuur
Even more funny as i just left BF2 on a 57 - 7 round sniping mashtuur
Game Balance is key, you guys are comparing reality to the gaming world. Even if the game repersents a realistic type world. Its still fanatasy, and headshot should always be the only one death kill hits. Thats true skill
If the M95 was a 1 shot kill weapon, they could "code" it so you'd have to be prone to shoot it, but we all know dice and their coding.
You don't need to get rid of them. Make them destructible, and a longer arming time. They're for protecting you, not as a frigging point farm. Or just don't play Karkand, claymores aren't a big deal on Sharqi or Mashtuur or any other map.dquinner wrote:
Just get rid of claymores!
lol DL hard justice mod and see what the real barret is like, semi auto 1 hit kill 10 round clip... its dementedJbrar wrote:
If the M95 was a 1 shot kill weapon, they could "code" it so you'd have to be prone to shoot it, but we all know dice and their coding.
anyhoo back to the real issue, ppl who cant snipe and thus moan about it
Last edited by TheEternalPessimist (2006-09-11 16:01:49)
I don't hate snipers. Certain maps when used they are a deadly force. I've saved and been saved many times by ace snipers. Like as green said, as your driving they can pick off the at guys giving you a safe road. A good sniper is one that knows his surroundings and how to use them at his advantage. Next is the claymores. A claymore can and will be placed almost anywhere. So for you people that whine like "All the snipers put claymores on karkand and get lots of kills." Well who gives a fuck, your dumb enough to get killed by a claymore if you whine about it. You say that they always use them on karkand, well for one you obviously know that theres going to be some around the corners. You keep on bitching getting killed by them, so why don't you take the long way and not walk into them and take the long way. Or be a medic, have a squad member with you, hes medic or you, if you see a claymore bite the bullet and take it like a man. If its infront of a flag that can't be taken, risk yourself so that nobody else will get killed by them and your team can move in. I knew we had to get the hotel flag, claymores everywhere, my friend was a medic and he knew that we were screwed, i took the bullet and my team capped the flag and i was revived.
Snipers have there pros and cons as do every other kit.
Snipers have there pros and cons as do every other kit.
Last edited by gburndred (2006-09-11 16:12:24)
wat....
TOP are shit also, and why are you so obsessed with smurfs?.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
should be no snipers money or not..useless shit kit.
do you have 1 person in your whole clan that can use the sniper kit well?
QFTgburndred wrote:
I don't hate snipers. Certain maps when used they are a deadly force. I've saved and been saved many times by ace snipers. Like as green said, as your driving they can pick off the at guys giving you a safe road. A good sniper is one that knows his surroundings and how to use them at his advantage. Next is the claymores. A claymore can and will be placed almost anywhere. So for you people that whine like "All the snipers put claymores on karkand and get lots of kills." Well who gives a fuck, your dumb enough to get killed by a claymore if you whine about it. You say that they always use them on karkand, well for one you obviously know that theres going to be some around the corners. You keep on bitching getting killed by them, so why don't you take the long way and not walk into them and take the long way. Or be a medic, have a squad member with you, hes medic or you, if you see a claymore bite the bullet and take it like a man. If its infront of a flag that can't be taken, risk yourself so that nobody else will get killed by them and your team can move in. I knew we had to get the hotel flag, claymores everywhere, my friend was a medic and he knew that we were screwed, i took the bullet and my team capped the flag and i was revived.
Snipers have there pros and cons as do every other kit.
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
Most likely because they get pwned by so many snipers they hate them like the shit they pulled on Todd. As for the smurfs thing i think its cause they mothers rejected them at birth so the cower to smurfsdont_be_ss wrote:
TOP are shit also, and why are you so obsessed with smurfs?.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
should be no snipers money or not..useless shit kit.
do you have 1 person in your whole clan that can use the sniper kit well?
Last edited by R3v4n (2006-09-11 16:20:24)
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
The question is what, exactly, you're successful and efficient at.Jbrar wrote:
Being a successful and effecient sniper requires skill, something the whiners don't have.
Do you go after people trying to get in key vehicles? Do you try to take out officers or higher ranked infantrymen because it's more likely they know what they're doing? Do you spot vehicles and infantry for the teammates around you?
Chances are you're going for whatever conveniences you at the moment. Not exactly a pro-team attitude. So while you might get a lot of kills, think about what exactly you're getting accomplished before you call out "whiners."
Last edited by Skexis (2006-09-11 16:22:48)
Snipers can be devastating if you know how to be strategic with them.
Real answer why no snipers in a 6v6 or even up to a 10v10
Too Many Vehicles!
Snipers need to have vulnerable targets, Tanks and APC's do not fall into that category. So naturally you will see every other kit getting used just because in those small number maps you cannot bring the snipers true power to the field. It has nothing to do with the size of the map, just the powers within, so if you want to win in those conditions you would honestly be nuts to field a sniper, nomatter how good they are.
Oh, and.. I'm a Sniper.
Too Many Vehicles!
Snipers need to have vulnerable targets, Tanks and APC's do not fall into that category. So naturally you will see every other kit getting used just because in those small number maps you cannot bring the snipers true power to the field. It has nothing to do with the size of the map, just the powers within, so if you want to win in those conditions you would honestly be nuts to field a sniper, nomatter how good they are.
Oh, and.. I'm a Sniper.
do you have 1 person in your clan that is good at anything else besides sniping? I dont think so. You see we like to play every part of the game except just one boring part of it. Your a 1lt and you have like 350 kills with a AR and 600 deaths. You call us shit, we would just keep reviving eachother through your fields of claymores and get up close and personal, then i'd shock paddle your defenseless self. Were not "obsessed with smurfs" its just a name we use for the useless on bf2, kind of like you and the rest of your clan, excluding tushers. And i bet and your brother fight at the dinner table over who is the best sniper.dont_be_ss wrote:
TOP are shit also, and why are you so obsessed with smurfs?.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
should be no snipers money or not..useless shit kit.
do you have 1 person in your whole clan that can use the sniper kit well?
nice .8k/d your a prime example of a smurf.R3v4n wrote:
Most likely because they get pwned by so many snipers they hate them like the shit they pulled on Todd. As for the smurfs thing i think its cause they mothers rejected them at birth so the cower to smurfsdont_be_ss wrote:
TOP are shit also, and why are you so obsessed with smurfs?.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
should be no snipers money or not..useless shit kit.
do you have 1 person in your whole clan that can use the sniper kit well?
i totally agree i used to be in saf and have played with and against napalm. as he will tell u i don't claywhore. but if i want to i can take out quite a few people without dying. the last time i played a round for saf on karkand i had a k/d of 47:3 with only 5 claymore kills. i wouldn't call that useless or detrimental to the team. how many other kits allow a k/d ratio like that without the use of Armour or airsgt.napalmcb wrote:
Snipers are very useful, say that you are with your squad and you notice gun shots coming your way from a distance... well then the sniper can take out the people shooting before they get close enough to be able to actually shoot you.
Also i have played many rounds where i have greatly helped out the team while being sniper, and also i have been with many other people who have done the same.
So overall, Sniper is definitely not a useless kit.
I only ever view snipers as those who wish to protect their KD by staying.. away from the fight. Yep, away. Whether you agree with me or not, you'll notice very few snipers actually play up close and play a supporting role, other then when they spawn and spam the hell out of their gaymores.
You're fucking dreaming right?greenhaven wrote:
No. First off, good snipers can inflict heavy ticket loss on the other team, while only losing a couple for theirs. Secondly, snipers actually defend. The enemy team can't cap that flag if they can't go within 25 feet without dying. Even if the lone sniper can't hold them off, they'll lose tickets, and it will buy time for someone else to defend the flag. Also, when your team's vehicles are on the move, it helps to have someone to shoot all the TOW/Stinger/AT gunners. Snipers can do all this with less deaths than a traditional infantryman.
Go try playing sniper in a scrim, be it 8v8 or 16v16 and see how many people yell at you. Dumbass.
Here's my last word on it:
Snipers suck. Fuck me, the only use of a sniper is for the M95 to snipe a less worthy pilot out the jet/helo so that a better crew can get in it. Snipers don't cap flags, snipers cannot 'inflict heavy ticket loss' simply because by nature they're lone wolves. By nature they cannot conform to the squad-based, dynamic play that bf2 requires. Before you open your fucking mouth to argue 'But Bearz LOOKIT MY 1337 VIDEO LOLZ!'. Open your eyes, look at the competitive scene. Zero snipers. Simply because that one man capping the flag may make the simple difference of a few extra seconds.
Snipers in public games is something I tolerate. I don't approve of them, I'd rather they be some other kit running beside me.
The only thing worse than a sniper, is a squad of snipers.
i will for example Tonight i played as a sniper on the bf2s EU server and only got 4 kills because i was running around from vantage point to vantage point spotting Armour and helos for our team. i work with a squad where the members are in jets or helo's so i can designate targets for them thus helping to take out the key targets of the opposing teams i do understand what tour saying though darky but i don't use claymores for offense only defending my position from attack snipers are not meant to charge into the firefight thats why the have the scope a good sniper can and will aid his team by spotting high priority targets and keeping infantry pinned down.
Now let me tear you argument apart systematically.scouseclarky wrote:
i will for example Tonight i played as a sniper on the bf2s EU server and only got 4 kills because i was running around from vantage point to vantage point spotting Armour and helos for our team. i work with a squad where the members are in jets or helo's so i can designate targets for them thus helping to take out the key targets of the opposing teams i do understand what tour saying though darky but i don't use claymores for offense only defending my position from attack snipers are not meant to charge into the firefight thats why the have the scope a good sniper can and will aid his team by spotting high priority targets and keeping infantry pinned down.
1. Who the fuck needs you to spot when the commander can do all that and more.
2. Designation of targets is better left to the SLs on the ground who have a better lay of the land.
3. 4 kills? Let me translate that, in other words, throughout a ENTIRE game, you sat on your ass, did jackshit and shot 4 random guys who may have been revived, you didn't contribute shit to your team.
There you go.
yeah show how much u know.polarbearz wrote:
Now let me tear you argument apart systematically.scouseclarky wrote:
i will for example Tonight i played as a sniper on the bf2s EU server and only got 4 kills because i was running around from vantage point to vantage point spotting Armour and helos for our team. i work with a squad where the members are in jets or helo's so i can designate targets for them thus helping to take out the key targets of the opposing teams i do understand what tour saying though darky but i don't use claymores for offense only defending my position from attack snipers are not meant to charge into the firefight thats why the have the scope a good sniper can and will aid his team by spotting high priority targets and keeping infantry pinned down.
1. Who the fuck needs you to spot when the commander can do all that and more.
2. Designation of targets is better left to the SLs on the ground who have a better lay of the land.
3. 4 kills? Let me translate that, in other words, throughout a ENTIRE game, you sat on your ass, did jackshit and shot 4 random guys who may have been revived, you didn't contribute shit to your team.
There you go.
1) the commander didnt use spots only uav where HE was fighting.
2) the squad leader was in a helo and the top players at the end of the round were the players in my squad i had spotted for.
3) i dont care if i only got a few points my team won
4) if u think snipers are useless u should ask [SAF] clan how thwy won a enemydown ranked match with all the spawn points gone the tickets dropping down and only 1 player let who happend to b a sniper.( because he was good enought to keep the enemy pinned down and kill a few of them long enought for the tickets to run out awardibg them the win
5)how do u work out that running across the map spotting targets for my team is sitting on my arse doing jack shit i even managed to cap a flag. how many targets do u spot for your team or are you one of these players that think it's someone elses responsibility.
First off, I don't bother to play competeively. I am sure that somehow you playing in scrims makes you a better person than everyone else who doesn't bother to play in scrims, but of course, this is debateable. First off, you don't have to snipe for the whole round. However, when you have a decent sized battle, having someone to pick off people from afar is excellent.polarbearz wrote:
You're fucking dreaming right?greenhaven wrote:
No. First off, good snipers can inflict heavy ticket loss on the other team, while only losing a couple for theirs. Secondly, snipers actually defend. The enemy team can't cap that flag if they can't go within 25 feet without dying. Even if the lone sniper can't hold them off, they'll lose tickets, and it will buy time for someone else to defend the flag. Also, when your team's vehicles are on the move, it helps to have someone to shoot all the TOW/Stinger/AT gunners. Snipers can do all this with less deaths than a traditional infantryman.
Go try playing sniper in a scrim, be it 8v8 or 16v16 and see how many people yell at you. Dumbass.
Here's my last word on it:
Snipers suck. Fuck me, the only use of a sniper is for the M95 to snipe a less worthy pilot out the jet/helo so that a better crew can get in it. Snipers don't cap flags, snipers cannot 'inflict heavy ticket loss' simply because by nature they're lone wolves. By nature they cannot conform to the squad-based, dynamic play that bf2 requires. Before you open your fucking mouth to argue 'But Bearz LOOKIT MY 1337 VIDEO LOLZ!'. Open your eyes, look at the competitive scene. Zero snipers. Simply because that one man capping the flag may make the simple difference of a few extra seconds.
Snipers in public games is something I tolerate. I don't approve of them, I'd rather they be some other kit running beside me.
The only thing worse than a sniper, is a squad of snipers.
Now before you open your mouth to say ZOMG GREENHAVEN WTF LOL SCRIMS R JESUS LOL PUBS R 4 NUBSAUCE LOL, since the majority of BF2 players play on pubs, and that's where most of the action takes place, that's going to be where most of the players are coming from. Since most of the players are on pubs, then for MOST OF THE PLAYERS, the sniper kit is going to be a decent option.
Going 48-5, as someone mentioned they did sniping, is a pretty good situation for your team. Even if some of them were revived, that's at least 30 tickets from just one guy. I don't give a shit what you think about snipers, but I'm sick of people saying OMG OMG OMG SNIPAHZZ SUXXOR GAYMORE GAYMORE GAYMORE M95 LOL@!@#!1!11!12#!@. If you don't like snipers, then STFU about it.
To the guy that did spotting all round, that's probably not the best idea. I'll spot tanks while sniping, but I don't pick sniper just to spot tanks. Shoot people, don't spot them. Don't pass the buck, put a bullet in it. Even if you don't kill him, he's down to 2 bars and he's fucked unless he's a medic.
Last edited by greenhaven (2006-09-11 19:27:18)
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