Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6804|Texas - Bigger than France
The story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14681924/

This has been done before, but this is new.

This comes from the interpretation of the Bible, rather than a literal reading.

Should the Church chime in?  Are they an authority?

Is it possible to join both camps?

What other ramifications follow?  Big bang theory?

Should religion be involved with science?
RDMC
Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!
+736|6827|Area 51

Pug wrote:

The story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14681924/

This has been done before, but this is new.

This comes from the interpretation of the Bible, rather than a literal reading.

Should the Church chime in?  Are they an authority?

Is it possible to join both camps?

What other ramifications follow?  Big bang theory?

Should religion be involved with science?
religion should stay the fuck away, and just crawl away in some fuckin corner with there fuckin gods.

EDIT: sorry to the religous folks, not in the right mood to give my opinion.

Last edited by RDMC(2) (2006-09-06 10:41:25)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7019|Argentina
That he said?  Which one was he smoking?
Rosse_modest
Member
+76|7038|Antwerp, Flanders

RDMC(2) wrote:

Pug wrote:

The story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14681924/

This has been done before, but this is new.

This comes from the interpretation of the Bible, rather than a literal reading.

Should the Church chime in?  Are they an authority?

Is it possible to join both camps?

What other ramifications follow?  Big bang theory?

Should religion be involved with science?
religion should stay the fuck away, and just crawl away in some fuckin corner with there fuckin gods.

EDIT: sorry to the religous folks, not in the right mood to give my opinion.
Basically what he said, but less sexually tainted.
chittydog
less busy
+586|7097|Kubra, Damn it!

If a religion is true, the followers should embrace science and facts, not run away from... aw crap, I just don't have the energy for this discussion again.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7004|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
I think Einstein summed it up best when he said "It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure."
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6817

Pug wrote:

The story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14681924/

This has been done before, but this is new.

This comes from the interpretation of the Bible, rather than a literal reading.

Should the Church chime in?  Are they an authority?

Is it possible to join both camps?

What other ramifications follow?  Big bang theory?

Should religion be involved with science?
This should be sweet. Religious types bang on about archaic nonsense in lieu of rational science and logic and hey presto: Mr. Ex-Hitler Youth pops up and shifts the goalposts, leaving all those catholics who derided evolution looking like idiots! PanzerCardinal Ratzinger FTW!
It's moments like these, when religious institutions concede defeat in the battle against logic and reason, that make me feel all warm in funny places.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-09-06 11:13:45)

Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6804|Texas - Bigger than France
Well on the bring side - at least the Catholics are evolving.





You may now groan.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6757
Technically evolution never disputed the ideas of devine creation or intelligent design. Props to the pope for finally admitting Catholics had been fighting a false war.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6843|SE London

The Catholic church accepted the Big Bang theory pretty much the day it was announced if I remember right. The Catholics are always trying to keep religion up to date with science - some people think it's because they got a hard time for all the hassle they gave Galileo.

Still, might stir things up amongst the religious nutcases. 'We're all descended from monkeys, argh!!!'
mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
+319|7025|d
If we all descended from monkeys, why do monkeys still exist ?
jonsimon
Member
+224|6757

mafia996630 wrote:

If we all descended from monkeys, why do monkeys still exist ?
We didn't. We descended from the same roots as monkeys. Think of them as your retarded second cousin.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7019|Argentina
You know what is Vatican doing?  They are evolving to avoid extinction.  So, the business is down since a while, then let's make the adaptation to keep it opened.  I ain't buying any shit from these guys.
phnxfrhwk
Member
+14|6935|Just outside of baltimore, Md.
Is it so difficult to incorperate both of these ideas into one belief?
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6998|Salt Lake City

phnxfrhwk wrote:

Is it so difficult to incorperate both of these ideas into one belief?
Yes, unfortunately.  On the far left you have the pure science crowd saying this is how it happened.  On the far right you have the creationists saying the Bible already told us how it happened.  Somewhere inbetween there is likely to be more agreeable ground.  Unfortunately, again, most of the power these days seems to be concentrated in the far extremes of both sides.
Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7001|Toronto | Canada

Bertster7 wrote:

The Catholic church accepted the Big Bang theory pretty much the day it was announced if I remember right. The Catholics are always trying to keep religion up to date with science - some people think it's because they got a hard time for all the hassle they gave Galileo.

Still, might stir things up amongst the religious nutcases. 'We're all descended from monkeys, argh!!!'
The Church introduced the Big Bang theory - at least the scientist was Catholic and the Vatican supported him.  I recently read Angels and Demons by Dan Brown and I thought it was a great book.  It showed a lot about the influence of religion in science and that the Church actually supported, or created some of the scientific theories.
weamo8
Member
+50|6705|USA
In the U.S. I know that many athiests believe that religious people who believe we were created by a God are crazy.  After all, the theory of evolution is a fact.

The theory of micro-evolution (survival of the fittest, or adaptation) has been proven over and over again.  Macro-evolution (the idea that all life started as a single-strand amino acid in a pool of goo), however, has not been proven and is a theory that has incredible holes in it.

The odds of a spontanious amino acid surviving are almost infinitesimal.  The odds of it turning into a protein are even worse.  Then you have to consider the mutations.

Micro-evolution shows how a birds wings might get longer after a few generations, or how flowers get more colorful because bees pollinate the flowers they see.  Macro-evolution is totally different.

Consider the series of incredibly lucky mutations that would have to spontaniously occur over and over and over again to produce things like a heart, a vein, or an eye.  This doesnt just require time, it requires insane amounts of sheer, reoccurring luck.  Huge mutations that were just right (we are talking X-Men sized mutations).

I'm not saying it is impossible.  Of course it is technically possible.  If the only way would could be here was by a God, that would completely defeat the purpose of faith.  If you dont understand what faith truly is, then what I am saying wont mean anything to you, but once you understand the true importance of faith and the reasons for it; the whole plan starts to make sense.

If you cant tell, I do very much believe in God.  However, I think that teaching things like intelligent design in schools is foolish.  Religion is for personal life, bf2 forums, and sometimes church... not school.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6804|Texas - Bigger than France

mafia996630 wrote:

If we all descended from monkeys, why do monkeys still exist ?
So by that logic - every single person should be exactly the same.  Same head, same height, same eye color, same reactions to stimuli - everything.

Two people have a child - the child is slightly different than the parents.  Repeat.  Do that for a few million years and tell me what you get.

So I take it your joking right?

To directly answer your question - monkeys exist to fling poo at you at zoo.  (Favorite example to use for illiteration illustrations).
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6817

Mike_J wrote:

Pug wrote:

The story:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14681924/

This has been done before, but this is new.

This comes from the interpretation of the Bible, rather than a literal reading.

Should the Church chime in?  Are they an authority?

Is it possible to join both camps?

What other ramifications follow?  Big bang theory?

Should religion be involved with science?
Was it really that hard to understand?  Figures it'd take the Pope to state this for people to accept it.  Sheesh.  I know I can't be the only one to have suggested this before.

Cam Poe, don't you think you're jumping to conclusions with the whole "conceding defeat?"  I thought you were one to argue against assumptions.
My post was deliberately overly melodramatic and exaggerated. Don't take it too seriously.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6843|SE London

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

The Catholic church accepted the Big Bang theory pretty much the day it was announced if I remember right. The Catholics are always trying to keep religion up to date with science - some people think it's because they got a hard time for all the hassle they gave Galileo.

Still, might stir things up amongst the religious nutcases. 'We're all descended from monkeys, argh!!!'
The Church introduced the Big Bang theory - at least the scientist was Catholic and the Vatican supported him.  I recently read Angels and Demons by Dan Brown and I thought it was a great book.  It showed a lot about the influence of religion in science and that the Church actually supported, or created some of the scientific theories.
You do know that book, like the Da Vinci Code, is a work of fiction - only very loosely based on fact. A Catholic priest did come up with the idea of a Big Bang, Gamow then turned his work into something more solid. Religion doesn't have as much influence as you seem to think in science. The Pope told a group of top cosmologists that they could study the Big Bang, but not anything before it - since that is the work of God. Little did he know that Stephen Hawking (one of the scientists present) was at that timne working on his No Boundary proposal, which suggests there was no moment of creation.

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