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2006-09-03 17:10:35
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6799
Zimbabwe:

1) Suppression of all opposition to the incumbent political party: check
2) Human rights violations (such as demolishing the homes of 700,000 people most of whom support the opposing political party): check
3) Election tampering: check
4) Rampant inflation and dire dire poverty: check
5) Ruthlessly despotic leader: check
6) Intimidation of voters: check
7) Abysmal life expectancy (men - 37 yrs, women - 34 yrs): check
8) Censorship of the press (ranked 155 out of 167 for press freedom): check
9) Acquisition of privately owned land without payment of reparations: check

So when are the troops heading out there? Would it help if the zimbabweans stuck headscarves on?
2006-09-03 17:13:11
Brasso
member
+1,549|6874

What's TB?  Tuberculosis?
"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
2006-09-03 17:14:50
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6799

haffeysucks wrote:

What's TB?  Tuberculosis?
Tony Blair. It's unfair to say 'UK' because the man is about as representative of the UK as Barbara Streisand. He's a one man party - a dictator so to speak.
2006-09-03 17:15:15
Twist
Too old to be doing this sh*t
+103|6767|Little blue planet, milky way
I'd guess as soon as Zimbabwe started to be a threat to anyone except themselves. If the Zimbabweans had a standfing army of 1 million men and the president started them on manueovers threatening say.. South Africa, the ball might start rolling....

Meanwhile, it's against western politics to intervene militarily in other nations affairs as long as those affairs do not threaten the security of those same countries. (ie when there's a civil war that's contained, that's OK, but if say the chineese build an SDI defense screen and start invading Russia or Alaska, that might be a problem)
2006-09-03 17:16:01
Spumantiii
pistolero
+147|6926|Canada
don't hold your breath, Iran is building nuke yeller weapons of mass destruction
2006-09-03 17:27:54
EricTViking
Yes, I am Queeg
+48|6796|UK
It seems that the world is being sorted out alphabetically starting with Afghanistan.

I fear it may take some time go get around to Zimbabwe.

...unless they change their name to 666Zimbabwe - in which case they will get immediate attention because numbers precede letters.
2006-09-03 17:32:17
JohnnyBlanco
Member
+44|6815|England

CameronPoe wrote:

Zimbabwe:

1) Suppression of all opposition to the incumbent political party: check
2) Human rights violations (such as demolishing the homes of 700,000 people most of whom support the opposing political party): check
3) Election tampering: check
4) Rampant inflation and dire dire poverty: check
5) Ruthlessly despotic leader: check
6) Intimidation of voters: check
7) Abysmal life expectancy (men - 37 yrs, women - 34 yrs): check
8) Censorship of the press (ranked 155 out of 167 for press freedom): check
9) Acquisition of privately owned land without payment of reparations: check

So when are the troops heading out there? Would it help if the zimbabweans stuck headscarves on?
I was wondering when someone would mention Zimbabwe, its gone from the breadbasket of Africa to completely fucked in the space of what, 5-10 years? Kicking out the white farmers has pushed it over the edge, the figures for what the farms now pump out are only a fraction of what they should be. Now inflation is sky high  the bank has issued new 100,000 dollar bills and i think i heard they adopted novel method to curb the cash problem, they knocked two zeros off the price of everything! Fucking stupid people the lot off them, what a waste of a country, i feel so sorry for the poor bastards with no money to move out. IMO it should be left to Africas other countrys to tell Mugabe to fuck off or failing that kill the wanker, hes single handedly condemmed millions to poverty and death all so he can have a big house and a new merc. Unfortunately this seems a ongoing trend in most of Africa. America should steer clear publically but in secret hellfire the fuckers house, no one would moan too much.
2006-09-03 17:49:05
PRiMACORD
Member
+190|6869|Home of the Escalade Herds

CameronPoe wrote:

Zimbabwe:

1) Suppression of all opposition to the incumbent political party: check
2) Human rights violations (such as demolishing the homes of 700,000 people most of whom support the opposing political party): check
3) Election tampering: check
4) Rampant inflation and dire dire poverty: check
5) Ruthlessly despotic leader: check
6) Intimidation of voters: check
7) Abysmal life expectancy (men - 37 yrs, women - 34 yrs): check
8) Censorship of the press (ranked 155 out of 167 for press freedom): check
9) Acquisition of privately owned land without payment of reparations: check

So when are the troops heading out there? Would it help if the zimbabweans stuck headscarves on?
Thats too noble a mission to get into. We would get nothing out of it.
2006-09-03 18:30:46
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6929|United States of America
There's no oil in Zimbabwe.
2006-09-03 18:46:48
phnxfrhwk
Member
+14|6917|Just outside of baltimore, Md.
We are thinned out as it is. Let someone else do the "worlds police" thing for a change. Plus if we did we would only be hated for it anyways.
2006-09-03 18:48:31
Havok
Nymphomaniac Treatment Specialist
+302|6919|Florida, United States

Oil - No Check
No Invasion
2006-09-03 18:50:15
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6763|Πάϊ

DesertFox423 wrote:

There's no oil in Zimbabwe.
qfe
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2006-09-03 21:35:55
Mike_J
Member
+68|6913
5th SFG
2006-09-03 21:54:10
ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ
Banned
+69|6745
Lets not bring the heartless United Nations into this potential group. They certainly shouldnt be capable or expected to handle situations such as these. Maybe when we see Africa as a breeding ground for extremists then we'll take initiative.
2006-09-03 22:40:36
FoShizzle
Howdah Lysozyme
+21|6871|Pittsburgh, PA

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

Lets not bring the heartless United Nations into this potential group. They certainly shouldnt be capable or expected to handle situations such as these. Maybe when we see Africa as a breeding ground for extremists then we'll take initiative.
It already is...let's not forget Somalia or perhaps Libya, although they recently put on their "happy hat".
2006-09-03 22:51:43
iamangry
Member
+59|6889|The United States of America
When?  When we've finished with Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Sudan etc.  Unfortunately in this age there is an unreasonable gap in the quality of people's lives throughout the world.  To avoid sounding jingoist, the great American democracy cookie cutter can only be applied to one area at a time.  But the question should not be when will America and Britain do something, they already are.  The real question is when will the rest of the world stand up and do something?  What about the United Nations?  Why don't they act on the behalf of the people of Zimbabwe?  It is not the responsibility of only the United States and Britain to help the oppressed peoples of this world, rather it is the responsibility of all those who have freedom and justice at home to help their neighbors seek it as well.  What about Russia?  What about China?  What about the collective military power of Western and Central Europe?  People may say that the United States went into Iraq because they had oil, and it may be true.  Maybe we got tired of being the only nation who followed the UN's sanctions (France, Germany, Russia, and China all have proven oil ties to post sanction Iraq).  Regardless of the reason, the Iraqis have a chance at democracy now, and only time will tell if they will embrace it.  The point is, the United States is doing something here and now to change the world in an attempt to make it better.  I ask you all, what is your nation doing to help the oppressed?
2006-09-03 23:20:26
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6888|Seattle, WA

CameronPoe wrote:

He's a one man party - a dictator so to speak.
Yes, and he staged a coup to get in power 

If you don't like him, than move to where you can vote against him. (if you can't, not familiar with what region your in, or the way it works anyhow, so I won't assume).

As for the oil comment.  So where is this mass oil supply?  I don't see it...do you?

:Rolleyes: more libby comments that don't do anything good for credibility.

As to the topic at hand.  Sure would be nice to liberate people and make lives better....a better question Cameron, since this is not really a huge U.S. thing.

Why isn't the U.N. doing anything????????????  Dum dumm dummmmmmmmmm, its useless, thats why.

Impotence at its finest.
2006-09-03 23:21:27
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6888|Seattle, WA

iamangry wrote:

What about the United Nations?  Why don't they act on the behalf of the people of Zimbabwe?  It is not the responsibility of only the United States and Britain to help the oppressed peoples of this world, rather it is the responsibility of all those who have freedom and justice at home to help their neighbors seek it as well.  What about Russia?  What about China?  What about the collective military power of Western and Central Europe?
FTW, end of list.
2006-09-04 05:50:51
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6799

iamangry wrote:

When?  When we've finished with Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Sudan etc.
Venezuela? You want to destroy democracy in Venezuela not support it remember? Or didn't you know Hugo Chavez has been democratically elected leader twice in succession and looks likely to win the next election too? Principles, principles. Finsihed with North Korea? What do you mean? Finished sticking your head in the sand? LOL. Finished with Sudan? The US isn't doing anything there!

iamangry wrote:

Unfortunately in this age there is an unreasonable gap in the quality of people's lives throughout the world.  To avoid sounding jingoist, the great American democracy cookie cutter can only be applied to one area at a time.
Yes, usually those areas that have great mineral wealth or oil resources or pose a threat to the terrorist state of Israel.

iamangry wrote:

But the question should not be when will America and Britain do something, they already are.  The real question is when will the rest of the world stand up and do something?  What about the United Nations?  Why don't they act on the behalf of the people of Zimbabwe?  It is not the responsibility of only the United States and Britain to help the oppressed peoples of this world, rather it is the responsibility of all those who have freedom and justice at home to help their neighbors seek it as well.  What about Russia?  What about China?  What about the collective military power of Western and Central Europe?
I'm sorry - I just thought that because the US and TB like to jetset across the world bringing flashy soundbite concepts such as 'freedom' and 'liberty' to countries and peoples, generally relatively unilaterally, I thought they'd take care of Zimbabwe. And Sudan. And Palestine. And Turkish Kurds. And Chechnyans. And the Congo. Many of these places/peoples had a far greater need for humanitarian assistance than Iraq, who it transpired posed little or no threat to the USA whatsoever. How are these 'freedom' projects prioritised?
The fact of the matter is that my original post is sarcastic. I don't believe in direct intervention. I believe in people winning their own freedom and creating a coutnry of their own choosing. So I'm just playing Devil's Advocate to a certain extent.

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2006-09-04 06:18:30
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6845|132 and Bush

In case you haven't noticed crude oil prices are about as high as they have ever been. [sarcasm]Good thing the only reason we went into Iraq was for oil.[sarcasm] What a silly argument. I would  accept the US went in for total world domination rather than just the silly notion of  oil.

I guess when people from Zimbabwe start flying into our buildings and committing mass murder against American's and other freedom loving countries we will do what the UN and other capable countries refuse to do on their own, take out the trash.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-09-04 06:25:10
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6799

Kmarion wrote:

In case you haven't noticed crude oil prices are about as high as they have ever been. [sarcasm]Good thing the only reason we went into Iraq was for oil.[sarcasm] What a silly argument. I would  accept the US went in for total world domination rather than just the silly notion of  oil.

I guess when people from Zimbabwe start flying into our buildings and committing mass murder against American's and other freedom loving countries we will do what the UN and other capable countries refuse to do on their own, take out the trash.
Kmarion who makes money from high oil prices? Texans with oil wells? Corporations like Exxon and BP? Peronsally I think it was only partly to do with control of resources. Mainly I think it was Israeli-driven.

So to procure 'help' from USA in securing 'freedom' you must now fly planes into US skyscrapers? Ah, now I see. Iraq were lucky then, as far as I know they didn't need to fly any planes into anything to get US 'help' to secure their 'liberty'.

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2006-09-04 06:27:50
cospengle
Member
+140|6731|Armidale, NSW, Australia

Kmarion wrote:

In case you haven't noticed crude oil prices are about as high as they have ever been. [sarcasm]Good thing the only reason we went into Iraq was for oil.[sarcasm] What a silly argument. I would  accept the US went in for total world domination rather than just the silly notion of  oil.

I guess when people from Zimbabwe start flying into our buildings and committing mass murder against American's and other freedom loving countries we will do what the UN and other capable countries refuse to do on their own, take out the trash.
Tell me again... how many of the guys who planned and executed the "flying into our buildings" were from Iraq?
2006-09-04 06:29:01
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6895|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

haffeysucks wrote:

What's TB?  Tuberculosis?
Tony Blair. It's unfair to say 'UK' because the man is about as representative of the UK as Barbara Streisand. He's a one man party - a dictator so to speak.
Don't you guys elect a Prime Minister??
2006-09-04 06:34:21
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6845|132 and Bush

CameronPoe wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

In case you haven't noticed crude oil prices are about as high as they have ever been. [sarcasm]Good thing the only reason we went into Iraq was for oil.[sarcasm] What a silly argument. I would  accept the US went in for total world domination rather than just the silly notion of  oil.

I guess when people from Zimbabwe start flying into our buildings and committing mass murder against American's and other freedom loving countries we will do what the UN and other capable countries refuse to do on their own, take out the trash.
Kmarion who makes money from high oil prices? Texans with oil wells? Corporations like Exxon and BP?

So to procure 'help' from USA in securing 'freedom' you must now fly planes into US skyscrapers? Ah, now I see. Iraq were lucky then, as far as I know they didn't need to fly any planes into anything to get US 'help' to secure their 'liberty'.
They make money refining the oil. They do not control the how much it is per barrel (OPEC). The attack did come from people of that region of the world although not Iraqi's. As if there were no terrorist in Iraq prior to the invasion. If you are so concerned  with getting America's nose out of every aspect of world affairs how can you possibly start a topic like this ? My only guess is to poke irony at an obvious serious situation. What about China or Russia or any other member of the so called "security council" of the UN ? I think we both know this will never happen.

Your theories although different most of the time at least usually make sense to me, this is not one of them.

cospengle wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

In case you haven't noticed crude oil prices are about as high as they have ever been. [sarcasm]Good thing the only reason we went into Iraq was for oil.[sarcasm] What a silly argument. I would  accept the US went in for total world domination rather than just the silly notion of  oil.

I guess when people from Zimbabwe start flying into our buildings and committing mass murder against American's and other freedom loving countries we will do what the UN and other capable countries refuse to do on their own, take out the trash.
Tell me again... how many of the guys who planned and executed the "flying into our buildings" were from Iraq?
The whole Region oozes of Radical Islamist.

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-09-04 06:36:24)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-09-04 06:41:22
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6895|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

In case you haven't noticed crude oil prices are about as high as they have ever been. [sarcasm]Good thing the only reason we went into Iraq was for oil.[sarcasm] What a silly argument. I would  accept the US went in for total world domination rather than just the silly notion of  oil.

I guess when people from Zimbabwe start flying into our buildings and committing mass murder against American's and other freedom loving countries we will do what the UN and other capable countries refuse to do on their own, take out the trash.
Kmarion who makes money from high oil prices? Texans with oil wells? Corporations like Exxon and BP? Peronsally I think it was only partly to do with control of resources. Mainly I think it was Israeli-driven.

So to procure 'help' from USA in securing 'freedom' you must now fly planes into US skyscrapers? Ah, now I see. Iraq were lucky then, as far as I know they didn't need to fly any planes into anything to get US 'help' to secure their 'liberty'.
Nope, all Iraq had to do was break the peace treaty and continue to ignore the resolutions that brought an end to the hostilities in '91..


How about this for Zimbabwe? Why don't we let your beloved UN set a "deadline" for them to "knock it off". Nothing shows resolve in an issue like a dreaded UN "deadline", because once the UN hits with a "deadline" you need to be prepared for a barrage of "deadlines". That, my friends, is how we solve the problems in Zimbabwe. A complete and utter merciless, bombardment of UN "deadlines".   

 

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