BF2S Forums Pandemic thread

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

LA has reinstated a mask mandate and it's already got people upset here, in OC, where there is no mask mandate.

The start of school is going to lead to so many infections. My friend who already had covid is completely fucking oblivious. His wife is a teacher, he has 1 school aged child and 2 others under 5, his grandpa died of covid, yet he and his wife won't get vaccinated "because we've already had it." Absolutely clueless

I thought ppl that had covid were still testing positive for the antibodies a year later? I could see why they might not want it

I still haven't been vaccinated but might soon. I'm honestly still a little skeptical of the vaccine cause it's a new type of mRNA shit apparently and they haven't done long term studies on side effects. On one hand there's potential long term damage from getting covid like lung damage and even neurological damage etc so it's fucked either way. I might wait till one gets full FDA approval, I know that's not 100% since they approve pretty nasty pharmaceuticals but I'd feel a little safer

Also this sounds dumb but I've been sorta against the vaccine since the beginning so I feel like if I got it I would be seen as lacking principle and ppl would talk shit like "oh ya, u finally got it aren't u glad u listened" etc. I'm stuck in a shitty situation where the best option is double down on my retardedness to save face even if I'm wrong

lil_droo wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

LA has reinstated a mask mandate and it's already got people upset here, in OC, where there is no mask mandate.

The start of school is going to lead to so many infections. My friend who already had covid is completely fucking oblivious. His wife is a teacher, he has 1 school aged child and 2 others under 5, his grandpa died of covid, yet he and his wife won't get vaccinated "because we've already had it." Absolutely clueless

I thought ppl that had covid were still testing positive for the antibodies a year later? I could see why they might not want it

I still haven't been vaccinated but might soon. I'm honestly still a little skeptical of the vaccine cause it's a new type of mRNA shit apparently and they haven't done long term studies on side effects. On one hand there's potential long term damage from getting covid like lung damage and even neurological damage etc so it's fucked either way. I might wait till one gets full FDA approval, I know that's not 100% since they approve pretty nasty pharmaceuticals but I'd feel a little safer

Also this sounds dumb but I've been sorta against the vaccine since the beginning so I feel like if I got it I would be seen as lacking principle and ppl would talk shit like "oh ya, u finally got it aren't u glad u listened" etc. I'm stuck in a shitty situation where the best option is double down on my retardedness to save face even if I'm wrong

droo in what universe do you live where casually throwing aside the collective expertise of the worldwide biochemist, virology, immunology and medical community at large feels like the right choice.

If you've ever in your life taken prescription medications you probably subjected your body to greater risks of side effects than you ever might experience from this vaccine.

I don't understand how we've all suddenly become experts on 'long term effects of vaccination'. Like wtf does that even mean. Are you scared that five years from now you'll be diagnosed with, what exactly? & how would/could that be linked to vaccination? There's no discernible serious side effects reported in the general population so far, but people would suddenly develop conditions out of the blue years after their shot?

Larssen wrote:

lil_droo wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

LA has reinstated a mask mandate and it's already got people upset here, in OC, where there is no mask mandate.

The start of school is going to lead to so many infections. My friend who already had covid is completely fucking oblivious. His wife is a teacher, he has 1 school aged child and 2 others under 5, his grandpa died of covid, yet he and his wife won't get vaccinated "because we've already had it." Absolutely clueless

I thought ppl that had covid were still testing positive for the antibodies a year later? I could see why they might not want it

I still haven't been vaccinated but might soon. I'm honestly still a little skeptical of the vaccine cause it's a new type of mRNA shit apparently and they haven't done long term studies on side effects. On one hand there's potential long term damage from getting covid like lung damage and even neurological damage etc so it's fucked either way. I might wait till one gets full FDA approval, I know that's not 100% since they approve pretty nasty pharmaceuticals but I'd feel a little safer

Also this sounds dumb but I've been sorta against the vaccine since the beginning so I feel like if I got it I would be seen as lacking principle and ppl would talk shit like "oh ya, u finally got it aren't u glad u listened" etc. I'm stuck in a shitty situation where the best option is double down on my retardedness to save face even if I'm wrong

droo in what universe do you live where casually throwing aside the collective expertise of the worldwide biochemist, virology, immunology and medical community at large feels like the right choice.

If you've ever in your life taken prescription medications you probably subjected your body to greater risks of side effects than you ever might experience from this vaccine.

I don't understand how we've all suddenly become experts on 'long term effects of vaccination'. Like wtf does that even mean. Are you scared that five years from now you'll be diagnosed with, what exactly? & how would/could that be linked to vaccination? There's no discernible serious side effects reported in the general population so far, but people would suddenly develop conditions out of the blue years after their shot?

You don't understand, though. People got a feeling. If an expert speaks out against their feeling or is quoted as, then you get the passive-aggressive "I just guess I'm dumb, they know everything I know nothing, then. I'm not allowed to have an opinion."

"Oh So DoCtOrS hAvE NevEr MaDe a MisTaKe?!"

Looking for a second opinion isn't innately a bad thing. It's just that you should probably consult with people who have an inkling of what they're talking about, and not formulate your decision on things from vaccines to cancer treatment advice from tinfoil websites, newsmax, and your crazy uncle Jeb on facebook.

After watching conservative commentators (who have gotten their jabs on the sly by the way) for several months, some in my family have decided that they don't trust the vaccines and will "wait for more info," if they even get it at all. Hannity recently implored viewers to take the virus seriously, sandwiched in between antivax segments. Mind-blowing.

Meanwhile, people on their death beds begging for the vaccine while being intubated. Doc has to go "sorry, too late."

Droo, I don't see what you possibly have to gain from doubling down on something that you admit to knowing is wrong? Being stubborn and dumb isn't innately better than being dumb.

Larssen wrote:

lil_droo wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

LA has reinstated a mask mandate and it's already got people upset here, in OC, where there is no mask mandate.

The start of school is going to lead to so many infections. My friend who already had covid is completely fucking oblivious. His wife is a teacher, he has 1 school aged child and 2 others under 5, his grandpa died of covid, yet he and his wife won't get vaccinated "because we've already had it." Absolutely clueless

I thought ppl that had covid were still testing positive for the antibodies a year later? I could see why they might not want it

I still haven't been vaccinated but might soon. I'm honestly still a little skeptical of the vaccine cause it's a new type of mRNA shit apparently and they haven't done long term studies on side effects. On one hand there's potential long term damage from getting covid like lung damage and even neurological damage etc so it's fucked either way. I might wait till one gets full FDA approval, I know that's not 100% since they approve pretty nasty pharmaceuticals but I'd feel a little safer

Also this sounds dumb but I've been sorta against the vaccine since the beginning so I feel like if I got it I would be seen as lacking principle and ppl would talk shit like "oh ya, u finally got it aren't u glad u listened" etc. I'm stuck in a shitty situation where the best option is double down on my retardedness to save face even if I'm wrong

droo in what universe do you live where casually throwing aside the collective expertise of the worldwide biochemist, virology, immunology and medical community at large feels like the right choice.

If you've ever in your life taken prescription medications you probably subjected your body to greater risks of side effects than you ever might experience from this vaccine.

I don't understand how we've all suddenly become experts on 'long term effects of vaccination'. Like wtf does that even mean. Are you scared that five years from now you'll be diagnosed with, what exactly? & how would/could that be linked to vaccination? There's no discernible serious side effects reported in the general population so far, but people would suddenly develop conditions out of the blue years after their shot?

Dude there has been side effects already, maybe not super common but it's there. Shit instagram was apparently ghosting random girls posts that were talking about side effects messing with their menstrual cycle.

Btw I'm not saying it's horrible just that there's still some unknowns and it's a new type of vaccine. Its mRNA. Not like a polio vax bro

Last edited by lil_droo (2021-07-22 19:37:35)

I wish I could count the number of times people who allegedly have serious reservations about this wild, new, experimental vaccine with it's different mRNA technology and ask those people what mRNA does. Having taught students in biology classes, who have stupid fucking answers to questions about things they've literally read/been lectured on, I don't have high regard for the general public's understanding.

I grant, I'm not a virology or vaccine expert, but I'll defer to the people who are (even if we say big pharma = big bad) over some youtube person or a guy in a pickup truck cab. There's sufficient supporting data to say it's safe, and it's not like it's suuuuuper-experimental enough that the long term risks are everyone drops dead in exactly 10 years like some sci-fi shit. Real science is frequently boring, methodical, and unsurprising.

So droo isn't antivax, he's just being cautious. No doubt influenced by space junk within the gravity well of anti-vaxxers' conspiracy theories.

lil_droo wrote:

Larssen wrote:

lil_droo wrote:

I thought ppl that had covid were still testing positive for the antibodies a year later? I could see why they might not want it

I still haven't been vaccinated but might soon. I'm honestly still a little skeptical of the vaccine cause it's a new type of mRNA shit apparently and they haven't done long term studies on side effects. On one hand there's potential long term damage from getting covid like lung damage and even neurological damage etc so it's fucked either way. I might wait till one gets full FDA approval, I know that's not 100% since they approve pretty nasty pharmaceuticals but I'd feel a little safer

Also this sounds dumb but I've been sorta against the vaccine since the beginning so I feel like if I got it I would be seen as lacking principle and ppl would talk shit like "oh ya, u finally got it aren't u glad u listened" etc. I'm stuck in a shitty situation where the best option is double down on my retardedness to save face even if I'm wrong

droo in what universe do you live where casually throwing aside the collective expertise of the worldwide biochemist, virology, immunology and medical community at large feels like the right choice.

If you've ever in your life taken prescription medications you probably subjected your body to greater risks of side effects than you ever might experience from this vaccine.

I don't understand how we've all suddenly become experts on 'long term effects of vaccination'. Like wtf does that even mean. Are you scared that five years from now you'll be diagnosed with, what exactly? & how would/could that be linked to vaccination? There's no discernible serious side effects reported in the general population so far, but people would suddenly develop conditions out of the blue years after their shot?

Dude there has been side effects already, maybe not super common but it's there. Shit instagram was apparently ghosting random girls posts that were talking about side effects messing with their menstrual cycle.

Btw I'm not saying it's horrible just that there's still some unknowns and it's a new type of vaccine. Its mRNA. Not like a polio vax bro

Do you have a menstrual cycle?

How exactly would an mrna based vaccine be dangerous?

You do realise there's also the astrazeneca jab which is based on widely used science right. Adenovirus vector. The side effects there are worse than the mrna one. And by worse I mean mild fever.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

I wish I could count the number of times people who allegedly have serious reservations about this wild, new, experimental vaccine with it's different mRNA technology and ask those people what mRNA does. Having taught students in biology classes, who have stupid fucking answers to questions about things they've literally read/been lectured on, I don't have high regard for the general public's understanding.

I grant, I'm not a virology or vaccine expert, but I'll defer to the people who are (even if we say big pharma = big bad) over some youtube person or a guy in a pickup truck cab. There's sufficient supporting data to say it's safe, and it's not like it's suuuuuper-experimental enough that the long term risks are everyone drops dead in exactly 10 years like some sci-fi shit. Real science is frequently boring, methodical, and unsurprising.

Does this check out?

In a Big Bang Theory buzzword gatekeepy sort of way, I suppose.

I think the quiz (not mine) does a good, if blunt job at reminding people that they don't know what they're talking about in terms of virology, immunology, etc. just because they read some scary names for salts and sugars on a facebook post about vaccine contents.

Some amount of gatekeeping should be present in terms of combating detrimental advice, although people who've fallen into conspiracy stuff will probably just double-down rather than admit they might've been misled.

To an extent, I agree. That doesn't mean I'm going to bend over backwards to coddle them in their insular viewpoints and be a part of fostering that stuff for generations to come.

Clarification: emotion and feeling can be subjective reasons for decisions. They can still be based off of falsehoods and antivaxxer nonsense or concerns with antivaxxer DNA.

Your gut feeling that the aliens built pyramids or that vaccines cause magnetism doesn't make any of that true. How many people had gut feelings about witches back in the good ol' witch hunting heyday?

Dilbert_X wrote:

Do I trust Trump, the WHO, even Fauci, to tell the truth and recommend whats in my personal best interests? Not really.

it’s a question of motivations and ideologies. the WHO might have been politically compromised (although in the main probably not) – but, dr fauci? why would appointed scientific advisors mislead people? in such a dangerous way?

dilbert: we need a technocracy led by scientific experts.
also dilbert: scientists have emotions, i don’t trust their leadership.

uziq wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Do I trust Trump, the WHO, even Fauci, to tell the truth and recommend whats in my personal best interests? Not really.

it’s a question of motivations and ideologies. the WHO might have been politically compromised (although in the main probably not) – but, dr fauci? why would appointed scientific advisors mislead people? in such a dangerous way?

dilbert: we need a technocracy led by scientific experts.
also dilbert: scientists have emotions, i don’t trust their leadership.

Someone who said it was worth risking a pandemic is an idiot.