Larssen wrote:Your small-minded idiocy is seeping out, barely masked by half decent prose. It seems that over the years Dilbert has ground you down to his level and you're now stooping to his 2-sentence retorts and instinctual rehashing of banal shit he read some 30 years ago.
again, you don’t post a peep here about actual social and political mobilisations on the far-right. you seemingly can’t even acknowledge that other football fans burn things and have a ruck with the police.
how am i ‘small minded’ here when i’m the one taking the wide view, that disorder after football matches certainly isn’t the special preserve of any one group? morocco did world-historically well in this tournament; probably the best of any team in the whole cup, relatively speaking; as an arab team in the first muslim-world cup, they had the best story arc; moroccans are the biggest immigrant group in francophone western europe: is it any surprise that a bunch of moroccan fans especially turn it up to 11 in the streets?
you buy straight into the tabloid rhetoric. ‘riots across europe’. ‘organised uprising’. it’s just so divisive and so predictable and so lame. meanwhile there are actual networks with wide political reach, infiltration deep into state structures, access to weapons, actively planning false flag and coup operations … you’ve never voluntarily spent a single drop of ink on this forums over the far-right or ‘dangerous nationalism’ by whites. you’ll always admit it in this air of ‘decent politick’, in your student debating society prose, when it’s raised; but it’s not what gets you excited and running to bf2s to clack clack away and write essays, is it? no. what exercises you is losing a job interview to a black person. turks. moroccans. verrrrrrry interesting.
i’ll wait to be corrected the next time there’s a terrorist attack or major incident in western europe involving turks or moroccans. so far as i can see, the street unrest over the world cup was epiphenomenal and pretty clearly terminated with the world cup. they’re not still taking to the streets, they’re not organised or making any sort of protest or demand, there’s no shadowy international network having its text messages intercepted by the intelligence services. a working-class migrant diaspora had a rare moment of sporting pride and a tiny subset of the same saw it as an occasion to express their frustration with the police/their lot/etc.
were morocco fans conspicuous this year in the street affray? of course. it’s the first time they’ve ever come out and done well at football! jesus christ it’s not complicated. considering that most western nations were taking a pious (and hypocritical) approach to the qatar tournament, cancelling big screen showings in public squares and so on, it’s not surprising that there wasn’t the same energy and ruckus from other teams. you take the right-wing rhetoric and narrative framing of it as some sort of concerted, europe-ride uprising a little too credulously. a few antisocial elements from a few ghettoised communities going out and opportunistically starting trouble, now their community is in the global spotlight … is not that hard to understand. never mind that the vast majority partook in the celebrations and festival atmosphere as law-abiding, peaceable dual-nationals. but no. you want to start An Adult Conversation about moroccans in europe. lmao.
meanwhile they’ve been burning effigies of mbappé in argentina and chanting all sorts of racist and violent hate about him for days now … and this is as part of their celebrations
. and you and dilbert seriously try and play this innocent, naive, ‘tell me who else behaves this way over football? who else burns things in the street even when they win?’ stuff. every fandom has behaved badly over the football in their own time!
but okay. i’m the small-minded one. i’m racist against whites. i’m a woke lib identity politics carol baskin
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