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unnamednewbie13
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Will he really? Midterms were a pretty good outcome for Democrats.
Larssen
Member
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Trying to make sense of the jan 6 stuff. If I'm reading it right, the DoJ prosecutes at its discretion and has its own seperate counsel investigating the matter.

- Is there anyone with a reasonable expectation of how long it will take for the investigation to conclude?

-If the republicans win the next election, can they replace the AG who could then stop the investigation?

A recommendation to prosecute from the special counsel still is just the start of a possible trial though, which could take another few years correct? Where do you even trial a (former) president? Would it be referred to the supreme court immediately? Does the president have immunity for any possibly unlawful act they committed during their tenure?

There's a lot of question marks here with regard to procedure. Would it be right to not expect anything substantial to happen within the next 3-4 years?
unnamednewbie13
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+2,023|6316|USA

Questions shared by many Americans. There isn't a whole lot of communication by the press about what can be done or on what timeline it will (or may) occur. We're used to people saying something's going down and it's going to be big, and then it seemingly getting swept under the rug indefinitely. Not that I think anyone should let up on the man.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+609|3264
Trump is a private citizen now and can be treated like any other private citizen.

Congress can remove a AG but the GOP will not have that power. Extremely rare for Congress to successfully impeach a cabinet member. Can't recall a single case off the top of my head.

Prosecuting a former president is a big can of worms. Do we also prosecute Obama for drone striking two U.S. citizens? Do we prosecute George W. Bush for lying about WMDs? Etc. The issue with Trump that makes it different is that he won't fade into the background like Nixon had the wisdom to do.
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unnamednewbie13
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+2,023|6316|USA

My answer for all those "should we prosecute other ex-presidents for blah blah blah" counterpoints is yes. Although we'd have a streak of presidents in jail for things like war crimes, I suppose.

It usually puts an end to that angle of a conversation, anyway.
pirana6
Go Cougs!
+669|5835|Washington St.
I guess presidents will just have to do the right thing going forward, otherwise they'll wind up in jail. It's really a damn shame they'll be forced into such a predicament

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unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,023|6316|USA

won't somebody think of the politicians!

but seriously, this merits some thought. we could build a new facility to account for each former president and their secret service detail. indoor golf so they don't get too uppity, and the best of average american geriatric care. trump must read one non-fiction book for each 15 minutes spent on social media. there will be tests on comprehension.

think of the local jobs that could be created!
uziq
Member
+492|2996
half of south korea’s democratic leaders have been investigated, prosecuted and/or done custodial time. it hasn’t tended to slow down the corruption or scandals.

what it has done is make prosecutors the most powerful wing of the civil service, hence a locus of political power, and really a sort of crème-de-la-crème of all the corruption. the current populist blowhard derives much of his power base from the prosecutors’ office.

just some interesting context. trump does need to be punished, and seriously, for january 6th.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,796|5650|eXtreme to the maX
Failing to protect the homeland against 9/11, sending American troops to die in a war based on lies - I'd say thats at least level with sending rubes to storm the capitol.
Twice as many Americans died in Iraq as Afghanistan - Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell should be in prison.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+609|3264
I ordered a physical copy of the Jan 6th Report. I will put it next to my copy of the 9/11 Report.
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This lady would be spending time with her children this moment if she didn't tie a flag around her neck and jump through a window. She died wrapped like a burrito in that Trump 2020 flag.

This must be a hard time of the year for her family. Can you imagine what it must feel like on the actual day of Jan 6th?

Meanwhile this dude is two days away from retirement at the U.S. Capital.
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uziq
Member
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stop being racist against whites. she was just protesting for what she wanted. fascism in america.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,796|5650|eXtreme to the maX
White fascism is preferable to black fascism.

Why not take two years in Zimbabwe?
Then you'll have an idea of what it is you're advocating for.
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uziq
Member
+492|2996
how about a state with no fascism.

somehow i don’t think the objectives of BLM and robert mugabe have much in common. they are not militant. you could just read about this but never mind. better to entertain your little helter skelter race war fantasies.

Last edited by uziq (2022-12-24 20:08:51)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,796|5650|eXtreme to the maX

uziq wrote:

how about a state with no fascism.
OK, take six months in Cuba
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uziq
Member
+492|2996
cuba by all accounts is nice except for the crippled economy thanks to sanctions and economic mismanagement. what’s exactly so abrasive or ugly about cuban culture?

lots of my friends have been on very good trips there. i’d go, given the chance.

do you actually know what you’re talking about? when’s the last time someone demonised cuba? is this the 1960d?
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,963|6176|949

I heard from a friend who visited that the food sucks in Cuba.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+609|3264
NYT said they now have "upscale restaurants."

https://laguarida.com/

I assume a westerner living there could find where they are hiding the island's strategic Cameron Diaz reserve. 
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SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+609|3264
Biden had classified files in his garage. They are going to impeach him. 😂
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pirana6
Go Cougs!
+669|5835|Washington St.
Go for it. Don't fucking steal classified documents
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,023|6316|USA

This was proudly reported on Fox News, undoubtedly with the intent to take the wind out of people's sails on the Trump documents. Catch us in a trap of our own hypocrisy. I'll say what I usually do: if a Democrat's done stuff, get 'em too.

Lower level people aren't handled so delicately. Snowden was chased out of the country.

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