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uziq
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putin and luka say ‘all problems will be resolved’. totally ordinary. remember it’s western media feeding us lies !!!
uziq
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belarus is in meltdown but remember it’s the western media, guys.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ … otests-yet

maybe the people from the crowd were just living in luxembourg?

Last edited by uziq (2020-08-17 11:50:36)

unnamednewbie13
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The president is pushing a bit of a televangelist angle, talking about his conversations with God:

‘That’s God testing me’: Trump claims economic damage of COVID-19 is personal challenge from God
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/thats- … -from-god/

“You know what that is?” Trump asked. “That’s right. That’s God testing me. He said, ‘You know, you did it once.’ And I said, ‘Did I do a great job, God? I’m the only one that could do it.’ He said, ‘That, you shouldn’t say. Now we’re going to have you do it again.'”
Being "at odds with the Lord" seems like a good reason for a god-fearing Christian to vote the man out of office.
uziq
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hahaha trump is literally talking about new zealand’s new ‘terrible surge’. they have had about nine new cases. 30 deaths in total. the US just hit 170,000 deaths. can this man even read a chart or what?
pirana6
Go Cougs!
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he has sharpies to fix every chart
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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About 80 new cases, but anyway.

How is it the best the US has to offer is two rambling dotards.
Epstein didn't kill himself
Larssen
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I'm sure Jay will say 'it's all just nice words!' but goddam what he says about Trump is all true.

Last edited by Larssen (2020-08-20 02:44:38)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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But who is listening?
Epstein didn't kill himself
uziq
Member
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yeah, i'm getting a hard feeling from this DNC that it's just fan-service for those who are already voting dem.

the only move outside of the normal base i've seen was getting billie eilish (lmao wtf) to do some maundy wank-song to 'appeal to the zoomers'.

for the trump faithful, the obamas, the clintons, and gay popstars with funny coloured hair are the entire fucking problem. lmao.

i find it hard to celebrate anything about centrism making a concerted rallying cry to try and restore the status quo. because what america really needs is more pro-wall street piss only dribbling from an old man's catheter line rather than a suave black man's speechwriter.

Last edited by uziq (2020-08-20 03:07:01)

Dilbert_X
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But massaging her base worked great for Clinton.
Epstein didn't kill himself
Larssen
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Frankly I'm not sure they need any cross party appeal at the moment. There is no way Trump can win this one. The republicans have fucked themselves for the foreseeable future.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Trump's base has not gone away or grown an IQ, they will still vote for him.

Will black men get off their asses and vote for a strident half-black woman who talks clever and shit?
Thats the real question here.
Epstein didn't kill himself
uziq
Member
+327|2178
the republicans are actively making it difficult for african americans to vote. long queues, lack of voting stations, gerrymandered districts, requiring forms of photo identity at short notice, which disproportionately affects the poor and underemployed, etc.

let's not use the 'lazy black man on his ass' trope. i very much doubt you've had to stand in line for 12 hours during a lethal pandemic to vote.

https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked- … S&IR=T

Last edited by uziq (2020-08-20 07:10:31)

Shahter
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Larssen wrote:

Frankly I'm not sure they need any cross party appeal at the moment. There is no way Trump can win this one.
when did i hear that before..?
oh, wait...
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,826|5498|USA

People shouldn't approach this election like it's in the bag. It's setting up to be a bona fide s*&t-show.

Living in a state with mail-in ballots, I feel attacked by the undermining of the USPS.

Here’s why the Postal Service wanted to remove hundreds of mail-sorting machines
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business … -removals/

A week ago,

Trump Admits To Blocking USPS Funding Over Mail-In Voting, Biden Slams Move As ‘Pure Trump’
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk … ee02563c54

Trump Admits He’s Starving the Postal Service to Sabotage Voting by Mail
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08 … -mail.html

TRUMP ADMITS HE’S SABOTAGING THE USPS TO HURT THE ELECTION (not my caps)
https://www.blackenterprise.com/trump-a … -election/
“They need that money in order to make the Post Office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said on Fox Business Thursday morning, according to Vice. “But if they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting, because they’re not equipped to have it.”

The comments explain why Trump and congressional Republicans have steadfastly refused to grant the Post Office additional funds in the latest round of negotiations over another coronavirus stimulus package. Trump, who has used mail-in voting for multiple elections, has spent months attacking mail-in voting, even as states have expanded it citing there’s little evidence showing fraud.
July,

The Chaos in New York Is a Warning
The first large-scale test of mail-in voting in the pandemic has left one in five New Yorkers with their votes tossed out.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … ng/614446/


April,

Washington: Where Everyone Votes by Mail
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/us/p … -mail.html
long excerpt,
Even as Mr. Trump rails against vote-by-mail, some Republican leaders are urging their constituents to cast ballots through the Postal Service — a recognition that more voters are likely to embrace mail-in ballots in November.

While 28 states offer mail-in ballots, just five currently conduct elections entirely by mail — Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah. In Washington, those all-mail elections are overseen by Kim Wyman, the Republican secretary of state. Over the past few weeks, Ms. Wyman and her office have fielded calls from election officials in every state in the country, as the virus scrambled plans for primaries and beyond.

We talked to Ms. Wyman about why her party opposes voting by mail, whether the country is ready for a widespread vote-by-mail election and her message to Mr. Trump. (As always, our conversation has been edited and condensed.)

You are a Republican, you support vote-by-mail, and that’s a little bit unusual right now. Why do you think so many Republicans object to voting this way?

Ms. Wyman: Well, I’m not totally sure. I think that some of it is the perception that a lot of people have that vote-by-mail increases the potential for fraud, and that it could really just be this high level of activity of fraudulent behavior. My response has always been that actually vote-by-mail has a lot of security measures you can build into it. And we have done that here in Washington.

At the end of the day, all voting systems are like banks. You build a lot of things in to protect from fraud, you build in a lot of measures to detect it but, ultimately, if somebody wants to commit fraud or if someone wants to rob a bank, they can. And then we have measures on the back end to prosecute that criminal activity. So you hope to deter it and you hope it doesn’t happen, but if it does, you have ways to deal with it.

Some Republicans are worried that it’s going to hurt their electoral prospects. That’s part of what President Trump has argued.

My experience with partisan folks is Republicans tend to worry about voter fraud, Democrats tend to worry about voter suppression, and both sides accuse the other side of perpetrating those things. I started as an election administrator before I was elected, and what I found is that the people that are running elections can’t make decisions based on what’s going to help or hurt their party or hurt the other party. It has to be about the voter, it has to be about fair participation, and it has to be about accessible, secure, accurate elections.

Every one of us, whether we’re a Democrat, Republican or an independent, or any minor party in there, needs to be working toward making sure our democracy works. What’s at stake right now is much greater than who wins the Oval Office, which party’s going to have control in which chamber. The stuff that we’re looking at is people could lose confidence in our elections. And if that happens, democracy’s at stake.

So if you could tell the president something about vote-by-mail, what would you tell him?

I would say, President Trump, right now and in this pandemic, we are having to consider every option to be able to keep the public safe and keep the voters safe, keep our election workers safe, and not have to make people choose between their personal safety and casting a ballot in one of the most historic elections of our lifetime. We have to come together in a bipartisan way to come up with those solutions so that every person who’s eligible can participate in the November election.

Do you think vote-by-mail could work nationally by November?

I started working in elections about 27 years ago. The short answer to your question is, you can’t just flip a switch and go from real low absentee ballots to 100 percent vote-by-mail. I mean, as we sit here right now, in April, with a November election deadline, I’m not sure you could do it in states across the country.
unnamednewbie13
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Also,

Steve Bannon charged with defrauding donors in private effort to raise money for Trump’s border wall
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national … Fstory-ans

Federal prosecutors in New York unsealed criminal charges Thursday against Stephen K. Bannon, President Trump’s former chief strategist, and three other men they alleged defrauded donors to a massive crowdfunding campaign that claimed to be raising money for construction of a wall along the Mexico border.

In a news release, prosecutors said Bannon and another organizer, Air Force veteran Brian Kolfage, lied when they claimed they would not take any compensation as part of the campaign, called “We Build The Wall.” Bannon, prosecutors alleged, received more than $1 million through a nonprofit he controlled, sending hundreds of thousands to Kolfage while keeping a “substantial portion” for himself.

The campaign, which publicly supported by several of the president’s allies, raised more than $25 million through hundreds of thousands of donors, the news release states.
lmao

e:

re: "no way trump is gonna win"

Rando comments on social justice eviction post,

I know some red-hatters here in VA. Jobless due to covid. Got evicted. Still voting Trump. Because they say Democrats made the virus.
some of my family (also in VA) blame the dems because they think there is a cure that the dems are blocking us from having.
My dad said dems made the virus, my brother said China did this on purpose, my grandma said she'll die before she lets another black in the [white house]
My boss, also in VA, is voting orange because, "Trump is exposing corruption." We need to get out and vote.
https://i.imgur.com/yZj16QB.png
unnamednewbie13
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I read an article recently from what was (iirc) a usually centrist source, accusing "msm" of waging constant war against the president. Maybe so, but it would be nice if he stopped giving them horrible things to write about for half a nanosecond. Yes, it's exhausting, but why should some of these things not be reported?

WATCH: Trump threatens to send law enforcement to polling places during Fox News interview 8/20
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/watch- … interview/

“We’re going to sheriffs and we’re going to have law enforcement and we’re going to have hopefully U.S. Attorneys and we’re going to have everybody, and attorney generals (sic),” Trump argued.

For decades, Republicans were banned from such actions after being caught intimidating voters.

“After more than three decades, Republicans are free of a federal court consent decree that sharply limited the Republican National Committee’s ability to challenge voters’ qualifications and target the kind of fraud President Donald Trump has alleged affected the 2016 presidential race,” Politico reported in 2018.

“The decree, which dated to 1982, arose from a Democratic National Committee lawsuit charging the RNC with seeking to discourage African-Americans from voting through targeted mailings warning about penalties for violating election laws and by posting armed, off-duty law enforcement officers at the polls in minority neighborhoods,” Politico explained.
Fox News staffers ‘feel trapped in Trump’s cult’ — and even Hannity fears the president is ‘crazy’: report 8/20
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/fox-ne … zy-report/

The report, which was written by CNN’s Brian Stelter, documents how Trump frequently talks with Hannity, who serves as an informal adviser and political strategist.

However, Trump’s erratic behavior has proven at times too taxing for Hannity, who has been one of the president’s most reliable defenders for the past four years.

“Hannity would tell you, off-off-off the record, that Trump is a batsh*t crazy person,” one person described as a Hannity associate tells Stelter.

“Hannity has said to me more than once, ‘he’s crazy,'” said a source described as a Hannity friend.

Many Fox News staffers similarly tell Stelter that they’ve become terrified at the way that the station’s audience has become nothing more than a personality cult for the president.

“I feel like Fox is being held hostage by its audience,” a veteran staffer told Stelter.

“The audience has been RADICALIZED,” a longtime commentator on the station told Stelter after he had been inundated with angry tweets from Trump supporters because he made critical remarks about the president on Fox News.

“Any break from Trump was penalized,” writes Stelter, describing the atmosphere of fear that was present at the station. “Nuanced debates about the role of government and taxation and immigration were distilled to a single question: Were you with Trump or against him?”
I think a lot of people in the US have that one uncle or grandparent who gloatingly quip "crazy like a fox" in response to comments about the president's state of mind.
Larssen
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It surprises me to what sort of lengths people will go to justify or explain away someone's glaring incompetence. It's as though the office of the presidency and the billion dollar real estate business blinds them. Someone who achieved those things must be extraordinarily intelligent. Of course there is reason to anything he says/does. He's not just winging it (badly) - there's a plan and strategy behind everything he says!

If Trump gets close to even 48% of the vote, I'll consider the United States a lost cause. A country that loves self-aggrandisement, megalomania and anti-intellectual rambling in its leadership has no bright future.
uziq
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what's happening to the US postal service now is absolutely galling. trump refusing funding because it will expedite (totally legal) mail-in voting.

the head of the USPS has just decommissioned 13% of their high-speed sorting machines, which will greatly slow and complicate ballot counting. in the previous two years they have decommissioned 3% of their machines. why the sudden increase? look at the spread of locations where the decommissioning is taking place ... holy shit.
Shahter
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Larssen wrote:

If Trump gets close to even 48% of the vote...
mind explaining why that particular number?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Larssen
Member
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It was just a general estimate of a 'close race', i.e. 48/52. Let me say that if he gets over 40% of the popular vote, that I would consider it a worrisome outcome.

how do you feel about the Navalny situation Shahter

Last edited by Larssen (2020-08-21 11:17:37)

DesertFox-
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It kinda is an odd one considering he only got a tad over 46% in 2016.
Shahter
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Larssen wrote:

how do you feel about the Navalny situation Shahter
https://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?p … 3#p3977833
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
unnamednewbie13
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uziq wrote:

what's happening to the US postal service now is absolutely galling. trump refusing funding because it will expedite (totally legal) mail-in voting.

the head of the USPS has just decommissioned 13% of their high-speed sorting machines, which will greatly slow and complicate ballot counting. in the previous two years they have decommissioned 3% of their machines. why the sudden increase? look at the spread of locations where the decommissioning is taking place ... holy shit.
It's a mess all around. I guess there was an email telling maintenance to not reconnect machines. Supposedly even ones that aren't utterly dismantled/destroyed.

Leaked USPS email tells postal workers not to reconnect or reinstall sorting machines 'that have been previously disconnected'
https://www.yahoo.com/news/leaked-usps- … 34321.html

Now from everything I've heard, these machines are quite temperamental and it's not just a matter of "plugging them back in." Why so many needed to be taken offline (and some trashed/destroyed, I guess?) at just this point in time seems rather obviously not maintenance related.

There's an attempt to bury all this under the guise of routine maintenance or restructuring. Very convenient spike in maintenance, and very conveniently located for the GOP. Not at all suspicious timing. Also a nice coincidence that the PMG is a GOP mega-donor. Etc. "We're just trying to make the USPS self-sustaining!"

Reports Of Dismantled USPS Sorting Machines Continue Despite DeJoy Announcing Halt
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsole … 573b6726b9

‘It was great’: In leaked audio, Trump hailed low Black turnout in 2016
https://www.yahoo.com/news/great-leaked … 28366.html

NAACP Legal Defense fund sues USPS
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/video/naacp-l … 03953.html

Shady pincer attack. Engineer destroyed confidence in mail-in voting in the middle of a pandemic, then send armed thugs to further intimidate targeted populations at polling places.

Trump says he wants to use 'sheriffs' as poll watchers on Election Day
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e … y-n1237621

A judge asked Trump's lawyers to prove his claims about mail-in voting "fraud" — it did not go well
https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-asked- … 05614.html

The Trump campaign produced a 524-page document in response to Ranjan's request, and The Intercept obtained a copy. According to Salame, the document "contains a few scant examples of election fraud" — but none of them actually involve mail-in ballots.
Extra:

More than 70 Republican former national security officials come out in support of Biden
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/more-70-repub … 42014.html

The letter outlines 10 reasons the signers believe Trump isn't fit for the Oval Office.

"Donald Trump has gravely damaged America's role as a world leader," the first point in the letter says. Other items include declarations that Trump is "unfit to lead during a national crisis," "solicited foreign influence," "aligned himself with dictators," "disparaged our armed forces, intelligence agencies, and diplomats," "undermined the rule of law," "dishonored the office of the presidency," "divided our nation," "attacked and vilified immigrants" and "imperiled America's security."



One of the former officials who signed the letter told ABC News that she hoped Trump would rise to the occasion of being president, but in her view, he did not.

"Many of us hoped that Trump, like those before him, would rise to the honor of the office. That the mantel of leadership would weigh heavy on him and lead to a change of behavior. That perhaps the tweeting, the bullying, the coarse language would be set aside behind closed doors and that he would treat the office with the dignity and gravity it deserves. That did not happen," Elizabeth Neumann, former assistant secretary of Homeland Security told ABC News.

An actual Stephen King villain?

'Bikers For Trump' Group Surrounds DNC Security Perimeter in Milwaukee
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … r-BB18ajHJ

In an interview with Fox News on Wednesday, Bikers for Trump founder Chris Cox said his organization was not in Milwaukee to "poke the bear, but we're here to keep an eye on things."

Cox said that when his group was in Cleveland, Ohio, "the Democrats were all around. Some of them were throwing what they call 'urine bombs' into the crowd."

The presence of the group at the DNC, according to Cox, is to support law enforcement and the Milwaukee Police Union. On Tuesday, the Milwaukee Police Union endorsed Trump's reelection bid.
General reminder:

Oregon asks for restraining order against federal agents in Portland
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/2 … nts-378315

Judge denies Oregon's request to stop arrests by federal agents in Portland
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge- … s-portland

DHS chief slams Pelosi for calling federal law enforcement ‘stormtroopers’
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dhs-ch … rmtroopers

Where's the spluttering outrage from the people who were terrified of the Obama brownshirt program? Nothing? Maybe wearing one of those "Trump Country" state hats.

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Anyway it's all just too much for one post. Remember that he's got strong people. Dangerous people!
unnamednewbie13
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So I guess Washington USPS workers declared a sort of mutiny and began to reinstall sorting machines.

Washington Postal Workers Defy USPS Orders And Reinstall Mail Sorting Machines
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcass … d788a35f80

Don’t reconnect mailing machines, Postal Service tells plants. Tacoma does it anyway
https://www.kuow.org/stories/post-offic … Zr8DcFwQNs

*cue pirate shanty*

Maybe the president can send his Oregon stormtroopers up here to bludgeon some mailmen. Never know!

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