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what a time to be alive.

So far we have 'truth' and 'honesty'.
what we have is a bunch of conservatives pandering to their remaining populist base, who want to hear all the right noises about immigrants, about 'wokeness', and about taxation.

literally 4 ex-cabinet ministers who all voted to support a huge hike in taxes, following the pandemic, are now campaigning on ... huge tax cuts. a complete u-turn with no semblance of economic sense or reason in it. it's real grow-on-trees stuff.  and as for the culture wars ... so far more candidates have mentioned trans rights and 'wokeness' than they have spoken about brexit, the cost-of-living crisis, or the recovery from covid (i.e. huge NHS backlogs and queues).

a high proportion of them have provable links to/ownership of businesses filed in tax havens. a lot of them are dirtied with non-dom status or relatives with the same. one of them has only agreed to be open about his tax dealings 'after' he gets elected. you cannot make this shit up.

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Britain is pretty well a failed state at this point, not far off Sri Lanka or Venezuela.
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uziq wrote:

so far more candidates have mentioned trans rights and 'wokeness' than they have spoken about brexit, the cost-of-living crisis, or the recovery from covid (i.e. huge NHS backlogs and queues).
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that's really dumb logic. a society can take adequately take care of both.

whilst we have been focussing on 'offending cartoon characters', china have also been busy genociding an entire ethnic group with thousands of years of history off the face of the earth. do you really need me to even list the long litany of human rights abuses and dystopian strangulations of freedom going on in china? this is your contradistinction to 'woke' politics?

my point in mentioning it is to highlight that the conservative party are all-in on dumb populism and 'culture wars' bullshit. that's the right wing, who spend all their time fighting fictitious enemies on 'the left' who apparently are obsessed with undermining society using LGBTQ+ rights or, uh, something. instead the 'conservative realists' are conspicuously light on actual economic policy, or even defence policy, for that matter. because that's what the culture wars are ultimately, isn't it? it's the rich and powerful in society complaining endlessly, on the television channels and in the broadsheet media which they and their billionaire-class media mogul friends own, about a phantasmal 'enemy' on the 'left' who are hurting their feelings or inconveniencing them in some minor way. uwuuuu. snowflakes!!!

a healthy society can have a cogent economic vision AND allow for social and cultural reforms without becoming some decadent, soft-bellied wimp nation. thank fuck, the west doesn't need to emulate china's repressive social vision in order to maintain a military, or carry out economic reforms.

do you know how to use your fucking head at all?

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uziq wrote:

a healthy society can have a cogent economic vision AND allow for social and cultural reforms without becoming some decadent, 'cartoonish', soft-bellied wimp nation.
Seems like its doing neither AND becoming a wimp nation because it has no money to fund anything.
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the west has been in managed economic decline ever since the neoliberals thought it was a good idea to export manufacturing and labour to the developing world in the 1990s and relax all regulations on wall street's financial shenanigans to artificially extend the 'good times' logic of endless growth and profit. our 'growth' in the last few decades, such as it is, has been speculative fantasy growth, stock market bubbles, not anchored in any material reality.

be that as it may, it has fucking nothing to do with 'woke' politics or advances made in social attitudes in those times. a few minority groups lobbying for better representation, or people's softening attitudes on gay rights or trans representation, have not hollowed out the economic base of the west. that was your ruling-class, echt-liberal white men. it was the establishment, the big bosses and bankers, the capitalists.

do better in your analysis. the west isn't in decline because of leftist activism. the white ruling class happily sold and exported its own future down the river for short-term profits.

it's also tedious and predictable in the extreme that the person espousing quasi-fascist rhetoric about 'wimps' and 'military might' has ... zero military service and can't even cook his own dinners. what are you going to do about china, you soy boy?

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All this woke stuff is typical magician's distraction, on both sides.

All your jobs went to China? If we compensate blacks for slavery everything will be OK.

All your jobs went to China? As long as we own the libs everything will be OK.

Meanwhile the people doing the distracting are becoming very rich and so are their friends.
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the left itself has formulated a critique of identity politics. it has been the standard line in leftist thinking since the 1990s. identity-politics and the liberal obsession with 'woke' topics represents, in the left's view, the capitulation of the main ground of political argument to the right wing. that is, at some point in the 1990s (fukuyama's 'the end of history' and the dawning neoliberal consensus), opposition politics stopped trying to win any arguments about how to structure the economy. all that was leftover for centre-left parties, social democrats, liberals, etc, to do was fuss over 'id-pol' and things like pronouns. that's because they already ceded the main topics of contention to the ascendant right wing. call it the 'overton window' of electoral politics, if you will. the entire western worldview post-1990s was a market-based logic, not a state-based one as pertained, say, briefly in the welfare states of the post-ww2 consensus. no liberal or left-wing party could possibly hope to win any election by campaigning on the old pre-1990s grounds. the market conservatives had won and were steering the ship.

that's it. it's not a 'magicians distraction on both sides'. it's the neoliberal consensus that got us into this shitfuck, a bunch of presuppositions dreamt up by free-market economists in chicago and packaged as reaganism/thatcherism. to say nothing of the temporary double-dip into neoconservatism in the bush-cheney years.

All your jobs went to China? If we compensate blacks for slavery everything will be OK.
this is so dumb as to almost be a non-sequitur. nobody is proposing recognition of slavery as a fix for the economy?

this 'both sides are to blame' stuff is really lame and, again, terrible analysis. recognize who has held all the power in these years and all the capital. the need to state that the 'left do it too' is totally blind and oblivious to the MASSIVE asymmetries in power and representation, here. the 'woke left' haven't done diddly squat to damage the west and turn it into a 'wimp' faction. 99.8% of the harm has been due to neoliberal economic policy, verging on a mass dogma, blind faiths in 'trickle down' or 'welcoming china in from the cold' and so on, not shuffling around pronouns in company email signatures or examining the legacy of slavery. get a grip ffs.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

All this woke stuff is typical magician's distraction, on both sides.

All your jobs went to China? If we compensate blacks for slavery everything will be OK.

All your jobs went to China? As long as we own the libs everything will be OK.

Meanwhile the people doing the distracting are becoming very rich and so are their friends.
I'm 100% you're someone's low key racist uncle on facebook.

These are points that I've hashed and rehashed many times with old people. "Both sides do it," (the old reliable fallback position), "we're focusing on one thing and not the other" (societies can do more than one thing at the same time, ex: cancer research, and space research, and military upkeep, and human rights expansions), "this woke stuff is destroying the country!" (and no, they still can't describe 'woke,' it's still abstract).

But even they know better than to gauge the power of a modern military force by size and quantity of personnel. The US alone still has more carriers and nuclear submarines, is far more potent overall, and China would still likely have to contend with other navies. What is China going to do, conduct a Normandy style invasion of Australia? Who is thinking that, let alone in 2022 (not even Australians can conquer Australia!). Are they going to follow Russia's example and throw tanks at a problem until they run out of tanks?

Why do you have a gun hobby? Why do you make stuff for ships? You could be working on muscular dystrophy.
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you just know "and so are their friends" = jews. just use the (((them))) nomenclature like the other alt-right cranks on the webs, dilbert.
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uziq wrote:

this 'both sides are to blame' stuff i
At this point neither side can do much, all this distraction stuff is useful to prevent a revolution.
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

"Dilbert reacts to students being told it's OK to be gay," starring Bruno Ganz in legendary screen tirade.
I probably am going to have to start drawing up a list of actors I'd be prepared to have play my role on screen.
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https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/statu … ics-latest

good thread giving insight into conservative base's feelings about this leadership contest.

glad to hear all the cynical culture wars bullshit isn't having any effect on them.
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I can't see a superior and creepy Indian tax-dodger going down well with the conservative base TBH

I don't know much about Liz Truss or Penny Mordaunt but either would do.
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lots of the tory candidates are involved in tax-evading shenanigans. don't know what his race has to do with it ...?

conservatives are all for getting out of taxes, particularly any of the home counties base who actually have assets and wealth.

sunak doesn't play well with the red wall voters because he is patently very privileged and yet is trying this 'child of immigrants' trope. it's a non-starter.

as someone recently said on the great twittersphere: "going to university made me [a british asian] realize that i have much more in common with other working-class white students than i ever do with the rich brown people on campus".
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Its been pointed out that when Tugendhat threw his hat in the ring he became Mr Tugend.
If he gets his hat back he can be Tugendhat again.
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yes, well done. did you open your christmas crackers 5 months early this year or something? make sure you put on your paper crown.
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OK, thank you.
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Mordaunt didn't go to Oksferd and is a cat person.

Penny Mordaunt is the PM the country needs.
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Boris Johnson was the best of you British people but you tore him down.
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The only positive about Boris Johnson was he had the balls to support Ukraine.

Whereas Macron and Scholz have been colossal fags.

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scholz understandably so.

and the way boris used the ukraine crisis for leverage and good PR, zipping off to kiev for a photo-op whenever the heat or scrutiny got too much in westminster, was nothing short of disgraceful. even to the last he was bleating about ‘the freedom of ukraine’ whilst the building collapsed around him.

hardly courageous and hardly statesmanlike. he thought the war in ukraine would deliver him an ace. even now, with this dragging of feet and waiting until september to hand over power, some speculate that he’s hoping there’s a major escalation in ukraine that will call for a swift ‘war time government’ arrangement.

cowardly and despicable.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

All this woke stuff is typical magician's distraction, on both sides.
you should see woke content characteristics.
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uziq wrote:

scholz understandably so.

and the way boris used the ukraine crisis for leverage and good PR, zipping off to kiev for a photo-op whenever the heat or scrutiny got too much in westminster, was nothing short of disgraceful. even to the last he was bleating about ‘the freedom of ukraine’ whilst the building collapsed around him.

hardly courageous and hardly statesmanlike. he thought the war in ukraine would deliver him an ace. even now, with this dragging of feet and waiting until september to hand over power, some speculate that he’s hoping there’s a major escalation in ukraine that will call for a swift ‘war time government’ arrangement.

cowardly and despicable.
ironic the russians probably thought they had their inside man with boris "my employer's dad is an ex kgb officer and i made him baron of siberia"
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